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Was Roe Vs. Wade Decided By A Republican Court?
The landmark case was decided by what theoretically should have been a "conservative" Supreme Court.


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The landmark abortion case of Roe v. Wade was decided by what theoretically should have been a "conservative" Supreme Court. The decision recognized a woman’s right to make individual medical decisions, including abortion in line with the constitutional right to privacy. The Court ruled that the state had no interests in a woman’s pregnancy in the first trimester and the woman thus had a right to terminate the pregnancy. The decision remains the most controversial of the Supreme Court’s rulings in the US.

Warren Burger (appointed by Richard Nixon)

Born in Minnesota in 1907, Burger studied at the University of Minnesota and St. Paul College of Law, which is currently William Mitchell College. Burger proceeded to join the Boyesen Otis and Faricy firm, which has now become Moore, Costello, and Hart, and also taught at his alma mater of William Mitchell College. Burger joined the Republican politics, first supporting Republican Presidential hopeful, Minnesota Governor Harold E. Stassen then delivering the Minnesota delegation at the Republican delegation for nominee Dwight D. Eisenhower. Burger was appointed as Assistant Attorney General in the Civil Division of the Justice Department by the newly elected President Eisenhower. Burger succeeded Earl Warren as the Chief Justice of the US after his appointment by President Richard Nixon in 1969. Throughout his law career, Burger had been a notable conservative. His stances included opposition to gay rights and a belief in checks and balances in the government. The most controversial ruling of the Burger court remains Roe v. Wade, when Burger, who had previously opposed abortion, voted to legalize abortion with the majority.
William O. Douglas (appointed by Franklin D. Roosevelt)
Douglas was born in 1898 in Minnesota, and attended Whitman College and Columbia University. After Colombia’s and Yale’s faculties, Douglas became head of the Securities and Exchange Commission in 1937. He was appointed by the Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court in 1939, succeeding Louis Brandeis. Douglas championed for civil libertarianism, heavily advocating for the Bill of Rights and opposed the Vietnam War and government wiretapping. Douglas was also an advocate for the outdoors and an outspoken environmentalist. Being a liberal, William O. Douglas voted to legalize abortion.

Thurgood Marshall (appointed by Lyndon Johnson)
Born in 1908 in Baltimore, Maryland, Thurgood Marshall studied at Howard University School of Law and Lincoln University. Marshall started his law firm in Baltimore and was not highly successful due to inadequate experience. He began working for the Baltimore branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in 1934, rising through the ranks to become the association’s chief counsel. Marshall reached national prominence for his pursuit of individual rights, in particular for minorities. He was appointed the first African-American Associate Justice to the Supreme Court in 1967 by President Lyndon Johnson. Marshall voted for the right to abortion in the Roe v. Wade decision.

Lewis Powell (appointed by Richard Nixon)
Lewis Powell was born in 1907 in Virginia, and attended Washington and Lee University and Harvard Law School. Powell worked in the firm of Hunton, Williams, Gay and Moore from 1935, becoming a partner three years later. He served in the U.S. Army Air Force during World War II, rising in ranks to become a colonel. He continued to work as an attorney after the war and served as President of the American Bar Association, American Bar Foundation, and American College of Trial Lawyers. At 64 years of age, Powell was nominated as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court in 1972 by Richard Nixon. Although he had taken conservative stances such as upholding sodomy laws and the death penalty despite an apparent racial imbalance in the people executed, Powell voted to legalize abortion.

Potter Stewart (appointed by Dwight Eisenhower)
Potter Stewart was born in 1915 in Jackson, Michigan, and studied at Yale Law School and Yale University. Stewart served as a naval officer during WWII, rising to the rank of lieutenant junior grade. He joined private practice at Dinsmore and Shohl in Cincinnati, and was appointed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit in 1954. He was named an Associate Justice by President Dwight Eisenhower in 1958. Stewart became a notable centrist, approaching each case by merits rather than political ideologies. He is renowned for his criminal justice reform, and he voted for abortion as a right to privacy.

Harry Blackmun (appointed by Richard Nixon)
Born in 1908 in Nashville, Illinois, Blackmun studied at Harvard Law School and Harvard University. He worked as a law clerk, taught at William Mitchell College of Law, joined the private practice, and became general counsel for the Mayo Clinic in 1950. He was appointed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit in 1959 by President Dwight Eisenhower. In 1970, Blackmun was nominated by President Richard Nixon as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court. At the start of his tenure, Blackmun was conservative in his views, championing for the separation of the Church and State and upholding the death penalty. Over the years, however, he adopted a liberal approach and authored the Supreme Court decision on Roe v. Wade. He increasingly advocated for affirmative action, immigrant’s rights and even opposed the death penalty towards the end of his tenure.

William Joseph Brennan, Jr. (appointed by Dwight Eisenhower)
William Joseph Brennan, Jr. was born in 1906 in New Jersey, and educated at Wharton School of Commerce and Finance, the University of Pennsylvania, and Harvard Law School. He started his career as a trial lawyer and served in World War II, reaching the rank of Colonel. He was then appointed to the superior court in 1949 by New Jersey Governor Alfred E. Driscoll, who also appointed him to the Supreme Court of New Jersey in 1951. Brennan was named an Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court in 1956 by President Dwight Eisenhower. Brennan was a huge believer in the fundamental rights of an individual, affirmative action, and gender equality and opposed the death penalty. A staunch Roman Catholic himself, Brennan supported the separation of the Church and the State. Before the Roe v. Wade decision, Brennan had assented to the Eisenstadt v. Baird decision, striking a law which made the distribution of contraceptives to unmarried women illegal. Being a liberal, Brennan voted to legalize abortion.

Dissenting Opinion William Rehnquist (appointed by Richard Nixon)
Born in 1924 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Rehnquist studied at Kenyon College, Stanford University, Stanford Law School, and Harvard University. He worked as a law clerk under Justice Robert Jackson in Washington D.C. where he penned a controversial memo which supported the separate-but-equal approach to segregation as taken by the Supreme Court in the Plessy v. Ferguson decision. When taken to task Rehnquist asserted that the memo reflected Justice Jackson’s stance and not his. He joined a private practice in 1953 in Arizona and became active in Republican politics. He served as Assistant Attorney General for the office of legal counsel from 1969 and was appointed Associate Justice of the Supreme Court by President Richard Nixon in 1971. Rehnquist was a conservative, and he often voted parallel to his political and legal beliefs. He was against school desegregation and favored states’ rights, capital punishment, and the school prayer. In the Roe v. Wade decision, Rehnquist was against abortion, arguing by state power. He was appointed as Chief Justice in 1986 by President Ronald Reagan.

Dissenting Opinion Byron White (appointed by John F. Kennedy)
Bryon White was born in 1917 in Fort Collins, Colorado, and was educated at Yale Law School and the University of Oxford. He served in the U.S. Navy during World War II, where he met the future President John F. Kennedy. He worked as a law clerk and in private practice and later ran campaigns for John F. Kennedy. President Kennedy appointed him Deputy Attorney General and nominated him as Associate Justice to the Supreme Court in 1962. White was a notable conservative, and he dissented in the Roe v. Wade decision on what he viewed as disregard for potential life.

The Role of Conservative Judges in the Roe versus Wade Decision
The Roe v. Wade decision was supported by five Republican-appointed Justices. The five justices worked hand in hand to make the landmark ruling, with Harry Blackmun, a former counsel to the Mayo Clinic, drafting it. After a series of argument, Lewis Powell’s element of the viability of the fetus was agreed, this would become the most notable characteristic of the decision. The Justices used the three-part test in the decision which stated that a fetus could not be recognized as a person until viability. It was on this foundation that the decision was made.


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The Role of Conservative Judges in the Roe versus Wade Decision
The Roe v. Wade decision was supported by five Republican-appointed Justices. The five justices worked hand in hand to make the landmark ruling, with Harry Blackmun, a former counsel to the Mayo Clinic, drafting it. After a series of argument, Lewis Powell’s element of the viability of the fetus was agreed, this would become the most notable characteristic of the decision. The Justices used the three-part test in the decision which stated that a fetus could not be recognized as a person until viability. It was on this foundation that the decision was made.
there's the decision right there that people have argued over and over again
 

Lightskin

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I think the point is that both sides are crooked. According to the logic of others here, a vote for republican back then would have amounted to a vote supporting organized crime. Hey, that's not far off the mark, no matter the era ;)
The GOP definitely strayed from righteousness long, long ago. IMO they are not as corrupt as the Democratic Party, but they are corrupt nonetheless.
 

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Wasn't 'Roe v Wade' voted in by a Republican/Conservative Court?
The ruling majority were appointed by Republican presidents but obviously not properly vetted as to whether their views were liberal or conservative or whether or not they would strictly interpret the constitution as it pertains to matters being presented for deliberation

It was the intent of Congress when instituting the Supreme Court as a means to provide a check and balance against the Executive and Legislative branches of government by applying strict interpretation of the Constitution for matters of deliberation. Now, you have members of the Supreme Court acting as activists in correcting perceived wrongs or injustice rather than having their findings based on their strict interpretation of the Constitution.

In Roe v Wade, based on the Constitution, there is no expectation of privacy but the majority of the Supreme Court ruled otherwise.
 
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There’s a deliberate dumbing down in America. Uneducated people are exponentially easier to manipulate and control than educated people.

That said, I’m smart enough to know that I’m dumber than a doorknob, yet I am fully aware that the Democratic Party has pushed the treason envelope.

I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic. America has never seen a domestic enemy such as today’s Democratic Party.

no no

you're wrong

it's called re-education aka 'common core'

and have you seen the ginormous push on climate lately?

there's a run on space suits at our local Wally's :eek:

 
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7seasrekeyed

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I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic. America has never seen a domestic enemy such as today’s Democratic Party.

you could not be more right on that one ... sadly...
 
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UnderGrace

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There’s a deliberate dumbing down in America. Uneducated people are exponentially easier to manipulate and control than educated people.

That said, I’m smart enough to know that I’m dumber than a doorknob, yet I am fully aware that the Democratic Party has pushed the treason envelope.

I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic. America has never seen a domestic enemy such as today’s Democratic Party.
Yes, they made a movie about it, it is called...... Idiocracy
 
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I really need a new tinfoil hat after reading the posts here (including my own posts).
 

calibob

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There’s a deliberate dumbing down in America. Uneducated people are exponentially easier to manipulate and control than educated people. The Democratic Party has pushed the treason envelope.

I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic. America has never seen a domestic enemy such as today’s Democratic Party.
I HALF AGREE WITH YOU however I see unbridled capitalism and environmental dammage as being evil as well and neither side seems to be talking about the national debt. So I pick neither. In a choice between Nimrod, Baal and Asherah when Beelzebub is pulling the strings, there is no correct choice.
 
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well la Pelousi has decided that now is the time for an impeachment inquiry

oh at long last

good thing the fall line up is starting so there is something else to watch if one wishes to watch something

they are both fiction but I prefer new story line
 

calibob

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well la Pelousi has decided that now is the time for an impeachment inquiry

oh at long last

good thing the fall line up is starting so there is something else to watch if one wishes to watch something

they are both fiction but I prefer new story line
Too bad I only get Netfix.
 

PennEd

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Not by a president. A veto can only postpone and send it through, or back through Congress a President does not have the final word. (Although some think they do)
Bob, I'm telling you buddy, a President can NOT, even temporarily, veto a Supreme Court decision.

Presidents can veto legislation passed by both houses of Congress. The congress can override a Presidential veto with a 2/3rds vote. That's it. NOTHING to do with the Supreme Court.
 

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The GOP definitely strayed from righteousness long, long ago. IMO they are not as corrupt as the Democratic Party, but they are corrupt nonetheless.
Indeed. Oh, and I should have added that according to the logic of some, if you voted republican then you are also RESPONSIBLE for (later changed to an accessory to) organized crime. Though that person denied having changed what they said ;)
 

calibob

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I was on flag monitor detail when JFK was killed. I had to lower the flag to 1/2 mast when school was dismissed early so we could go home and pray for him and the nation that weekend. So I've been paying attention especially to the JFK assination conspiracy theory for 56 years now. That led me from Cuba through Viet Nam, Watergate... etc. I joined the military to get the GI bill. I didn't care what happened over there besides to many Americans were dying over a no win situation. After I got saved I developed a conscience and decided to follow Jesus and not the nation. There are a few Christians left that believe in Jesus only. It can be no other way. You can't have two masters.
 

calibob

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Bob, I'm telling you buddy, a President can NOT, even temporarily, veto a Supreme Court decision.

Presidents can veto legislation passed by both houses of Congress. The congress can override a Presidential veto with a 2/3rds vote. That's it. NOTHING to do with the Supreme Court.
I stand corrected. So that's 1 thing he's been accused falsely for.
 

Magenta

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It would seem logical then to abstain from voting since a vote for either party is in support of organized crime in some way or another. Yet the people who say you are responsible for the sins of another (which is once again a non-Biblical concept/principle) would wish to force you to vote against your conscience regardless.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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google made the arguement that governments could just take down whatever (to hide abuse etc) and a judge bought that...but it is a valid arguement I guess.

wondering if google takes down complaints about themselves now..........:unsure::unsure::unsure::sneaky:
Good pont
 
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I was on flag monitor detail when JFK was killed. I had to lower the flag to 1/2 mast when school was dismissed early so we could go home and pray for him and the nation that weekend. So I've been paying attention especially to the JFK assination conspiracy theory for 56 years now. That led me from Cuba through Viet Nam, Watergate... etc. I joined the military to get the GI bill. I didn't care what happened over there besides to many Americans were dying over a no win situation. After I got saved I developed a conscience and decided to follow Jesus and not the nation. There are a few Christians left that believe in Jesus only. It can be no other way. You can't have two masters.
no offense, but that would definately be a viewpoint you hold and not a general truth

it appears you are stating that if you do vote, you call the gov your master

you are painting with a very broad brush when you state there are few Christians left that believe in Jesus only

and you include yourself in that group as can be seen reading your post

1. the government is not a persons' master if they vote. feel free to hold that opinion; that does not make it true no matter how much you might believe it

2. you have created a group that you include yourself in and that's fine, but don't paint others who do not agree with your viewpoint as somehow not being true to Jesus. That, IMO, is really stepping over the line
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Our main point is that he WAS a Republican. Reaganomics was the dumbest idea to come down the pike since the Federal Reserve Bank.
The 1970s was a disaster in American economics. The recession marked the end of the post-World War II economic boom, and the United States experienced a lasting period of "stagflation"—a combination of high unemployment and inflation.
In the early 1980s, the American economy was suffering through a deep recession. Business bankruptcies rose sharply compared to previous years. Farmers also suffered due to a decline in agricultural exports, falling crop prices, and rising interest rates. But by 1983, the economy had rebounded and enjoyed a sustained period of growth as the annual inflation rate stayed below 5 percent for the remainder of the 1980s and part of the 1990s.

Any one can just say stuff but the numbers don't lie.
By 1983 the economy that was wrecked by Carter, was recovered and booming. The fact is Ronald Reagan's economic plan worked and lasted, right up to 1990.