Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Grandpa said:
That is what the people who practice Judaism truly think.
It comes out sooner or later.
What was the reason the Jews crucified the Lord Jesus?
Because they hated what He was and What He represented. Pretty much the same as you.
That would have been the start of a playground fight if we were in 3rd grade...
And then we would probably be best friends after....
That is what the people who practice Judaism truly think.
It comes out sooner or later.
What was the reason the Jews crucified the Lord Jesus?
Because they hated what He was and What He represented. Pretty much the same as you.
That would have been the start of a playground fight if we were in 3rd grade...
And then we would probably be best friends after....
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Romans 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
It was only because they sought it not by faith, that they did not attain righteousness. If they had, then they would have. But lets skip the Law of Moses and go onto the things that are commanded of us in the New Testament.
I understand that if we walk in love, then the commands are naturally followed/fulfilled. How is "stating you follow them in love, different than "stating that you follow them, having been saved, with not only with your heart (love) but also your soul and mind (by stating you do and telling others you do)? Or is it the mere statement that you do considered "a work for salvation"?
Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
It was only because they sought it not by faith, that they did not attain righteousness. If they had, then they would have. But lets skip the Law of Moses and go onto the things that are commanded of us in the New Testament.
I understand that if we walk in love, then the commands are naturally followed/fulfilled. How is "stating you follow them in love, different than "stating that you follow them, having been saved, with not only with your heart (love) but also your soul and mind (by stating you do and telling others you do)? Or is it the mere statement that you do considered "a work for salvation"?
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Depends on why you are following, if so you will not lose salvation, then your working for, if just because you think it will make you a better person, your just a christian legalist.
Explain this
Thou shalt not bear false witness
Explain by the law itself every possible way you can disobey the law.
Explain this
Thou shalt not bear false witness
Explain by the law itself every possible way you can disobey the law.
Going back to find the meanins of Yoke and burden, clears up any misconception, I hope. bondage or servitude and obligations.
Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me for I am meek and lowly in heart and ye shall find (not receive immediately) rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light
2218 zugos
metaphorically, used of any burden or bondage as that of slavery
the name is so transferred to the commands of Christ as to contrast them with the commands of the Pharisees which were a veritable 'yoke'; yet even Christ's commands must be submitted to, though easier to be kept
From the root of zeugnumi (to join, especially by a "yoke"); a coupling, i.e. (figuratively) servitude (a law or obligation)
5413 phortion
of the obligations Christ lays upon his followers, and styles a 'burden' by way of contrast to the precepts of the Pharisees the observance of which was most oppressive
Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me for I am meek and lowly in heart and ye shall find (not receive immediately) rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light
2218 zugos
metaphorically, used of any burden or bondage as that of slavery
the name is so transferred to the commands of Christ as to contrast them with the commands of the Pharisees which were a veritable 'yoke'; yet even Christ's commands must be submitted to, though easier to be kept
From the root of zeugnumi (to join, especially by a "yoke"); a coupling, i.e. (figuratively) servitude (a law or obligation)
5413 phortion
of the obligations Christ lays upon his followers, and styles a 'burden' by way of contrast to the precepts of the Pharisees the observance of which was most oppressive
And those who have been saved, their works follow them.
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours and their works do follow them.
And those who have died "Rest" from their labours.
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours and their works do follow them.
And those who have died "Rest" from their labours.
I'm obviously right...
Except there are times when you can be right and still be wrong...
I have a wife, I totally know.
Except there are times when you can be right and still be wrong...
I have a wife, I totally know.
This is the day the Lord has made let us be glad in it. I've got 10 minutes before I have to leave I so enjoy seeing what His Body looks like. If there was anything that made me sure He is God would you have left us as the only physical proof that He is God. You are so awesome Lord help me to be quiet when I need to be and know you are God. No proof of His death or resurrection just us, amazing.
Wrong again. The Jews didn't crucify Jesus.
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
How is it the son of perdition is the only one named to the lake of fire? Do you really believe Gods own people killed Christ? WOW.
And for another witness the counting of the scribes none of them of the Levitical priesthood or even of Abraham and the Kenites are and their purpose, as it has been since the garden.
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
How is it the son of perdition is the only one named to the lake of fire? Do you really believe Gods own people killed Christ? WOW.
And for another witness the counting of the scribes none of them of the Levitical priesthood or even of Abraham and the Kenites are and their purpose, as it has been since the garden.
How could you lose salvation if you are working Gods Laws? NOT THAT I AM (which I am really starting to resent typing), it just strikes me as a very strange statement. Cause it would sound like this
"I am following all of Gods Laws so that I do not lose the free gift of salvation that God gave me" Then that person gets in front of God and God says " You gifted me with salvation yet I still followed your laws so you wouldn't take it back. And God says "I gifted you salvation, yet you followed all my laws, so you are out of here"
"I am following all of Gods Laws so that I do not lose the free gift of salvation that God gave me" Then that person gets in front of God and God says " You gifted me with salvation yet I still followed your laws so you wouldn't take it back. And God says "I gifted you salvation, yet you followed all my laws, so you are out of here"
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I don't know. I have mixed feelings here.
On the one hand, it was kind of provoking a fight. And wrong.
On the other, how do you go on a Christian site and say things like Jesus Christ is an abomination to God and not expect a fight?
I guess I'm not mature enough yet to ignore things like this... I try to be nice...
On the one hand, it was kind of provoking a fight. And wrong.
On the other, how do you go on a Christian site and say things like Jesus Christ is an abomination to God and not expect a fight?
I guess I'm not mature enough yet to ignore things like this... I try to be nice...
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I find it hard to discuss things with you because you often seem impolite, If we were talking Bible face to face I don`t think you`d jump on me with the false accusation and name calling like you did here.
I keep getting called a legalist Judaizer by you and some of the others here. That isn`t having a conversation, it`s just dishonest.
I keep getting called a legalist Judaizer by you and some of the others here. That isn`t having a conversation, it`s just dishonest.
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