Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[DeighAnn]

Much more then "salvation by grace through faith alone", going on here! MUCH MORE!
For some of us? "Salvation by grace through faith alone?" Is where "the journey" STARTS!
Mocking and scoffing those hearing the "Higher Calling" of God?
Does not bode well for thee!

It seems like anytime there is a push to move past the starting gate and take the first steps of the journey, we are brought back to the starting gate, once again having to defend "salvation" by someone new coming in (or the old one) and starting it all over again. It seems whenever the truth, by a preponderance of evidence is happening, miracle?? new person with accusations of "unsaved". So I am caught between "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing and dusting off the feet.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ let us go on unto perfection not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Could you give me the verse that says we rest from the law?

Are you still under the schoolmaster?

 

[Shekinahglory]

It seems like anytime there is a push to move past the starting gate and take the first steps of the journey, we are brought back to the starting gate, once again having to defend "salvation" by someone new coming in (or the old one) and starting it all over again. It seems whenever the truth, by a preponderance of evidence is happening, miracle?? new person with accusations of "unsaved". So I am caught between "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing and dusting off the feet.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ let us go on unto perfection not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

Good post. Hope this helps all of us off this merry-go-round.


9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

 

[RickStudies]

Um no

I referenced the fact that isreal and jerusalem according to daniel 9 would be destroyed after the messiah was killed, and other prophecies which show that israel would reject her messiah and be restored later at the return of christ

And enough with the pot shots ok? Your missed my whole point and then made yourself look bad by mocking me., that was kind of foolish don't you think? You could have just asked to clarify what inwas saying that would have been better

No pot shot, no mocking in what I said. No need to clarify either because it is you who missed the point not me.

Nothing unique about your belief system. I`ve heard everything you are indoctrinated with from long ago.

 

[RickStudies]

It seems like anytime there is a push to move past the starting gate and take the first steps of the journey, we are brought back to the starting gate, once again having to defend "salvation" by someone new coming in (or the old one) and starting it all over again. It seems whenever the truth, by a preponderance of evidence is happening, miracle?? new person with accusations of "unsaved". So I am caught between "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing and dusting off the feet.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ let us go on unto perfection not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

Anything that threatens or even appears to question the watered down, wide road, grace view will be rejected here.

 

[NayborBear]

Hi, that is ,imho, an incredibly sad claim to never know if believing is a blessing or a curse. I have never known it to be a blessing and pray that will be true for you and all people who may feel this way

Oh! It is a blessing indeed!
Matthew 5
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
THIS is where it "feels like a curse."
However?
Revelation 14
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
2 Peter 1
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

 

[NayborBear]

It seems like anytime there is a push to move past the starting gate and take the first steps of the journey, we are brought back to the starting gate, once again having to defend "salvation" by someone new coming in (or the old one) and starting it all over again. It seems whenever the truth, by a preponderance of evidence is happening, miracle?? new person with accusations of "unsaved". So I am caught between "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing and dusting off the feet.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ let us go on unto perfection not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

Yeah? I dunno if that's the way it is for everyone.
But, that's the way it was/is for me.
At the beginning? It was like 5 steps forwards? 4 1/2 steps back!
Now, it's more like 1 step forwards 1/4 step back.
It's not so much the "line upon line upon line, and precept upon precept?"
It's the "Here a little, THERE a little!"
That "gets" ya!
As one is trying so hard in the "realization/cognizance" of "forward progress."
I have also "discovered" in this journey, that comes a time, after "growing and refining", that the "offering of firstfruits", is needed, for forward progress to continue.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It seems like anytime there is a push to move past the starting gate and take the first steps of the journey, we are brought back to the starting gate, once again having to defend "salvation" by someone new coming in (or the old one) and starting it all over again. It seems whenever the truth, by a preponderance of evidence is happening, miracle?? new person with accusations of "unsaved". So I am caught between "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing and dusting off the feet.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ let us go on unto perfection not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

That does sound familiar

The law being the one to bring us to salvation

What is sad is people want to bring us back to pre-salvation, and not move forward with our walk

 

[Lightskin]

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Because they don't like the fact that Satan is here to snatch that faith away, and knows way more than they do and the only way to withstand the fiery darts of Satan is to put on the whole gospel armor. They think if they have the helmet of salvation they are covered and that just isn't what the Word says. There are more pieces to that armor. They just stop there. You know who loves that????

You use the very scripture that talks about rest and use it to proclaim your need to work. Astonishing!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No pot shot, no mocking in what I said. No need to clarify either because it is you who missed the point not me.

Nothing unique about your belief system. I`ve heard everything you are indoctrinated with from long ago.

Whatever dude

It is obvious you have no desire to discuss anything (this was not about my believe system this is what the OT said about Israel and what would happen to them)

Its all about you.. (we know that because you could not even discuss the scripture i used to prove what i was saying, and you have no counterpoint,

Well good luck with that and good day sir, i stop playing kids games along time ago, i have no desire to play those games anymore

 

[NayborBear]

hi, I believe in the Royal Law as exemplified by the Beatitudes. I have a question about what the Lord says in Ezekiel 20: 25:

"25 So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live;"

What Covenant does it sound like He regrets putting into effect? Surely it is not the Abrahamic covenant. What is the Lord telling His

prophet? What are we to understand? How do we know which Covenant it might be wise to avoid being under?

thanks

Jeremiah 5
26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

Psalm 64
2 Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:
3 Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:
4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.
5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Anything that threatens or even appears to question the watered down, wide road, grace view will be rejected here.

Watered down grace, now there is a new one

Grace is unmerited favor, free of charge (to the reciever)

Kinda hard to water that down more than it always is, what is cheaper than free or unmerited?

Now if you want to talk about people watering down the law, lets talk.

 

[Lightskin]

Much more then "salvation by grace through faith alone", going on here! MUCH MORE!
For some of us? "Salvation by grace through faith alone?" Is where "the journey" STARTS!
Mocking and scoffing those hearing the "Higher Calling" of God?
Does not bode well for thee!

More so than mock, I pity people who fail to understand the fullness of Christ’s sacrifice. You lack faith in Jesus Christ and yet you talk about having a higher calling from God. Your words would be funny if they weren’t so sad.

 

[NayborBear]

More so than mock, I pity people who fail to understand the fullness of Christ’s sacrifice. You lack faith in Jesus Christ and yet you talk about having a higher calling from God. Your words would be funny if they weren’t so sad.

Yer right! I have NO faith AT ALL in YOUR jesus!
I find YOUR jesus, to be an abomination!
To ALL that is called God, and is Holy!

I find it curious we should agree on something!

Don't you?

 

[Lightskin]

Yer right! I have NO faith AT ALL in YOUR jesus!
I find YOUR jesus, to be an abomination!
To ALL that is called God, and is Holy!

I find it curious we should agree on something!

Don't you?

You have no faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, Lord of all creation and Savior of those who have faith in Him?

Well, I respect the fact that you at least admit you have no faith in Him. I’d love to talk more with you but obviously you have to go work for your salvation. Have a nice day.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Much more then "salvation by grace through faith alone", going on here! MUCH MORE!
For some of us? "Salvation by grace through faith alone?" Is where "the journey" STARTS!
Mocking and scoffing those hearing the "Higher Calling" of God?
Does not bode well for thee!

Let me guess, thus person says he does not preach works for salvation??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yer right! I have NO faith AT ALL in YOUR jesus!
I find YOUR jesus, to be an abomination!
To ALL that is called God, and is Holy!

I find it curious we should agree on something!

Don't you?

Your jesus has no power at all, he can not even keep his promises

Have fun

 

[Shekinahglory]

Oh! It is a blessing indeed!
Matthew 5
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
THIS is where it "feels like a curse."
However?
Revelation 14
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
2 Peter 1
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.


7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

Life by the Spirit
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.


16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

 

[DeighAnn]

That does sound familiar

The law being the one to bring us to salvation

What is sad is people want to bring us back to pre-salvation, and not move forward with our walk

I must agree. It is, as if the second the law is mentioned, (notice I didn't say they, and I will work on that), not to be saved,(ok that was just a funny) the automatic assumption is there had been no Grace given, there has been no saving, there is no walking in the Love of God. Yet, when someone is asked about the beginning of their walk with God, being saved, almost always comes first.

Yes, I agree with Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength this is the first commandment.
I think "the definition" of what this means is the problem. For me, doing this with all my heart and soul, and MIND lead me deep into all the words in the Word of God. The study, not just to show myself approved, but the falling in love with the entire Word. Every single word important. Every single law "Israel" was subject to at one time, holds truth and wisdom and knowledge of God. It is for my education. I know the law of Moses is no longer in force and we are under Grace. I read that letter that God wrote to me and the only thing that happens is 3 weeks have gone by and I have done nothing but read and ponder and pray to God and research and pray and many times the moment I thank God for a truth I have received, God takes all that wisdom that has come in here a little there a little in my studies and He opens up my eyes and ears to a new one. Now those moments (or hours, who knows) are a trip. It is His world, His ways, not this one, that become more important and clearer. And I sometimes feel I have no one to talk to because no one else seems to be as OCD as I am.
As I have said before one of the biggest blessings I ever received was when I went from "loving God" and that "personal" relationship I thought I had with Him, to "loving His letter and the wisdom and knowledge in it" that He stuck in my hands and said, "So you think you know me"? (No, not to my flesh ears). And immediately His Word let me know what I thought and what I felt without the words from that letter, was just me doing it my way, not His. I was Cain. I wasn't Able. I wasn't able to know anything about the "truth" of God by my own thoughts and feelings, And I was and have been an OCD captive ever since.
So is it "pre salvation"? No, not for me. If it was I would tell you it was. I think anything that closes or restricts or shuts off ways to Christ, is not good. Lets say someone is searching. And they are told to "have faith believe and walk in love" but they are not feeling it. Do you think them hearing "then you are not saved" leads them to Christ? What if it is God sending them to the OT laws for understanding that they need. Who are we to say "that's wrong" you can't do that or you are not saved. The love of God only comes in this order or this way only. What if they just completely walk away after that. They never get into the Word, never hear the Word, never get the Faith that comes from hearing it. I know and understand where this all comes from now. I didn't have a clue a couple months ago. I do understand that "need" to be sure no matter what, but I just cant find that in the Word. God tells us there is a door that will shut. A day that will be too late. And if you deny Him, you will be denied. We have a duty to God. We have to follow all His ways. We don't get to pick and choose the ones that work for us. Sometimes it takes sacrifice on our part. But there is a spiritual war raging right now. And you know who the prince of the power of the air is. We are warned by God to learn from the mistakes of others. OK I am done. Just felt lead by the spirit.

 

[DeighAnn]

You use the very scripture that talks about rest and use it to proclaim your need to work. Astonishing!

What is a yoke for?