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Good morning, EG.. 
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@dcontroversal has been leading people astray about Jesus going to hell and he knows it. So no I won't let it go.
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Thank your VCO for your fine testimony. I too was once a radio listener to the two teachers here in the Philippines heard over a local AM band station. I have even books offered free by Chuck Swindoll and... you really have ended my "assumption", but that is the very point I would also say when someone attempts to use "assumption" rather than facts. Let me then quote NAS.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from ek and kaleó
Definition
an assembly, a (religious) congregation
NASB Translation
assembly (3), church (74), churches (35), congregation (2).
Wow! Did you ever notice how the NAS translation out 114 only 3 x has been translated as an assembly? The real deal when NASB Translated it 74x as church and 35X as churches and 2X as a congregation. This simply means you are actually basing yours to its definition rather than its translation.
Shall we moved on...
Thank your VCO for your fine testimony. I too was once a radio listener to the two teachers here in the Philippines heard over a local AM band station. I have even books offered free by Chuck Swindoll and... you really have ended my "assumption", but that is the very point I would also say when someone attempts to use "assumption" rather than facts. Let me then quote NAS.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from ek and kaleó
Definition
an assembly, a (religious) congregation
NASB Translation
assembly (3), church (74), churches (35), congregation (2).
Wow! Did you ever notice how the NAS translation out 114 only 3 x has been translated as an assembly? The real deal when NASB Translated it 74x as church and 35X as churches and 2X as a congregation. This simply means you are actually basing yours to its definition rather than its translation.
Shall we moved on...
Act_2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
You argue with that EG because whether you call that place hell, sheol, hades or whatever the current word the newer versions are using, they are all talking about the same place... a place of suffering.
Do you think that since ALL BIBLES say that Jesus went to hell/hades, that maybe when Jesus took the thief on the cross to paradise, he visited with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for a day or two and then went over to hell and had a little conversation with them?
What say you EG, did Jesus go to both places as ALL BIBLES SAY HE DID?
You argue with that EG because whether you call that place hell, sheol, hades or whatever the current word the newer versions are using, they are all talking about the same place... a place of suffering.
Do you think that since ALL BIBLES say that Jesus went to hell/hades, that maybe when Jesus took the thief on the cross to paradise, he visited with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for a day or two and then went over to hell and had a little conversation with them?
What say you EG, did Jesus go to both places as ALL BIBLES SAY HE DID?
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption
This is my take here in the passage why KJV is correct.
1. The soul is intangible; the body is tangible. Since the soul is concern then it refers to hell and not in reference to the body which is to the grave.
2. It could not be translated as Sheol because in English this is in reference to the underworld, the abode of the dead or departed spirits, conceived by the Hebrews as subterranean region clothed in thick darkness, return from which is impossible.
3. Somehow, transliteration is so far so good, however, this is not so good in English. A better way in an understandable manner is to be translated Hebrew Sheol as hell.
This is my take here in the passage why KJV is correct.
1. The soul is intangible; the body is tangible. Since the soul is concern then it refers to hell and not in reference to the body which is to the grave.
2. It could not be translated as Sheol because in English this is in reference to the underworld, the abode of the dead or departed spirits, conceived by the Hebrews as subterranean region clothed in thick darkness, return from which is impossible.
3. Somehow, transliteration is so far so good, however, this is not so good in English. A better way in an understandable manner is to be translated Hebrew Sheol as hell.
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Thats the problem with KJVOnlyism, KJV trumps greek-text!
About your avatar EG. Im not american but I do care about the american troops! To me I feel like if it wasnt for America's military keeping things under control, we would have a terror epidemic in our hands like never before!
America is the only western country (so far, lets hope it stays that way) who hasnt bought the lie. Btw ya'll wanna hear something funny? That presidential candidate the demoBrats have who is called "Kamala" that word actually means HORRIBLE in finnish! NO LIE! look it up if you dont believe me!
About your avatar EG. Im not american but I do care about the american troops! To me I feel like if it wasnt for America's military keeping things under control, we would have a terror epidemic in our hands like never before!
America is the only western country (so far, lets hope it stays that way) who hasnt bought the lie. Btw ya'll wanna hear something funny? That presidential candidate the demoBrats have who is called "Kamala" that word actually means HORRIBLE in finnish! NO LIE! look it up if you dont believe me!
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