Galatian Conundrums

[Guojing]

The Jewish people have enough fault in the death of Christ. It is not something popular in Christian circles. In some ways Israel has become an idol to parts of the Church and that colors the way she is seen in the End Times. The promise that all Israel will be saved is distorted because they don’t see the promise of all Israel being destroyed. How can both be true? The key is that not all Israel is Israel. What the heck does that mean? A Jew is not a Jew if He is one only in the flesh. The Lord told Israel they needed to be circumcised in the heart a picture of spiritual rebirth without it the Lord God said Israel was headed for the same judgment as the Gentile nations.

Come to think of it, Peter was so tame compared to Stephen when it comes to accusing the Jews of murder. Acts 7

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

He basically accused their fathers, and themselves, of murdering whoever they dislike and tell them things they don't want to hear, and it accumulated to killing the Son of God himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wait...

Why does Paul say "James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars" Umm, they are pillars of the faith, they don't "seem" to be...

Revelation 21: 14 "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

James, Cephas, and Johns names are on the foundation of the kindom, they are pillars...

Paul spoke from his view. He did not KNOW james and the others personally. He spoke of hearsay only. thus, They seemed or appeared.

And rev was written decades after paul spoke those words. Paul realized long before this they they WERE pillars.. Because by then HE KNEW THEM

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Jewish people have enough fault in the death of Christ. It is not something popular in Christian circles. In some ways Israel has become an idol to parts of the Church and that colors the way she is seen in the End Times. The promise that all Israel will be saved is distorted because they don’t see the promise of all Israel being destroyed. How can both be true? The key is that not all Israel is Israel. What the heck does that mean? A Jew is not a Jew if He is one only in the flesh. The Lord told Israel they needed to be circumcised in the heart a picture of spiritual rebirth without it the Lord God said Israel was headed for the same judgment as the Gentile nations.

Yes, Just like the OT prophets said (see Rom 9 - 10 for some OT quotes concernign this very thing of which no one should have been suprised when it happened)

But the same prophets said (And paul in Rom 11) Israel will again repent and be saved, and God will remember his promise to the fathers (his gifts and calling are irrevocable)


We must not forget these things

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

no one is saying otherwise Bro

 

[Shekinahglory]

Yes, so it made perfect sense for Peter to preach the resurrection of Christ to his Jewish listeners in Acts, but its not to preach in the same way as Paul, that it is the sign that all their sins are justified.

Rather, its to tell the Jews that, since there was a resurrection, Jesus can still be their King even when they murdered him. But the key to that happening is that they must all repent, and be water baptized (Acts 2:38)

But to Peter, even after Jesus resurrection, salvation for the Jews was still based on obeying the Law and getting circumcised.

Exactly. I always thought it so interesting that Paul was given the gift of tongues snd he would need to be able to all those different languages. No one knows how many languages he spoke.

Yes, Just like the OT prophets said (see Rom 9 - 10 for some OT quotes concernign this very thing of which no one should have been suprised when it happened)

You are see the things people have been dreaming for years. The error ia so estabkishws to be in need of the Lord making this happen



But the same prophets said (And paul in Rom 11) Israel will again repent and be saved, and God will remember his promise to the fathers (his gifts and calling are irrevocable)

Romans 2: 25-26 a Jew is not a Jew unless he is circumcised in the heart. John 4 this is why He said Nicodemus should know a Jew needed to be born again


We must not forget these things

good stuff.

The Lord continues to try and save to the very end, No one can say He did not make every effort. Look what He did to save Cain

 

[Shekinahglory]

Come to think of it, Peter was so tame compared to Stephen when it comes to accusing the Jews of murder. Acts 7

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

He basically accused their fathers, and themselves, of murdering whoever they dislike and tell them things they don't want to hear, and it accumulated to killing the Son of God himself.

Letting them know this spirit had been in them as the leaven of sin spread through the entire apostate portion with a faithful remnant in every generation

 

[garee]

Jesus " unless a man be born again he can not enter the kingdom of God"

Paulines "see,there it is ,more Jesus doublespeak,He preached the kingdom not grace,so that born again mess was for jews in the earthly kingdom"
Or here is a good pauline creative distortion "Jesus was talking about the resurrection of the Jews"

Man, i can write their script better than they!!

Viva Jesus disenfranchisement movement !!!

Born again mess? Sounds like someone is doing despite to the grace of God. God's kingdom. . . . not of this world

Jesus was talking about the resurrection of which kind Jews? An outward Jew in respect to things seen; "flesh and blood" or inward born again not seen of the spirit and not flesh .

Why glory in the flesh of sinful, corrupted mankind .Jesus said his Jewish flesh does not profit?

Remember in the same way. . . all of Israel is not born again Israel recognized by the new name God named his born again people Christian "

Romans 2:27-29 King James Version (KJV) And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, (not seen) and not in the letter;(seen) whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

good stuff.

The Lord continues to try and save to the very end, No one can say He did not make every effort. Look what He did to save Cain

Amen, he is long suffering wishing no one should perish.

 

[garee]

Humanly speaking ,"getting it wrong" is part of our walk.
If we were always right,God would need to move over and share his throne.
Paul was wrong,peter was wrong,david was wrong,abraham was wrong,moses was wrong.
Jesus never was.

When were they wrong? When God put his words on their tongue? Was balaam Ass wrong?

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

 

[Absolutely]

And right after He said this ^ , He...

"Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ."


[is that ^ your commission, too?]

I am pro kingdom.
Jesus is pro kingdom.

And right after He said this ^ , He...

"Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ."


[is that ^ your commission, too?]

He also told john not to reveal the 7 thunders.
I guess that is bunk too huh?
I am not cessationist so i claim ,like paul,the gifts and revelation,and power.
I dont need the gc disenfranchised.

Luke 10:19
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

You guys work tirelessly to disenfranchise Jesus and his words.
I will not sit up to that table.
Amazing that the 2 gospel mess AUTOMATICALLY reverts it's adherents into cessationism.

No sir.not me.


15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow THEM THAT BELIEVE; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

YOU ARE EITHER A BELIEVER OR NOT.
if a believer,are those signs following you????

Now i await another fancy dance to disenfranchise that verse also.

 

[Guojing]

Letting them know this spirit had been in them as the leaven of sin spread through the entire apostate portion with a faithful remnant in every generation

Yep, at no point of time in Acts did any of them told the Jews, "Believe in the Lord's death burial and resurrection, and you will be saved".

 

[Absolutely]

The point was that Peter accused his audience they murdered and killed Jesus. He did not say, "Jesus died for your sins, and rose again as a sign that your sins are fully put away."

No matter how many times you deny, the scripture stated what was said clearly.

i already showed you paul said that also. But here you go again since you still are making bogus accusations
1 thes 2
: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

1 cor 2

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

We can't find where paul said "sandal" therefore paul never said it.

Doctrine pillars on Omission from text is bad exegesis.

But you need peter in a lower plane from paul.
Glad i don't.

 

[Absolutely]

Yes, so it made perfect sense for Peter to preach the resurrection of Christ to his Jewish listeners in Acts, but its not to preach in the same way as Paul, that it is the sign that all their sins are justified.

Rather, its to tell the Jews that, since there was a resurrection, Jesus can still be their King even when they murdered him. But the key to that happening is that they must all repent, and be water baptized (Acts 2:38)

But to Peter, even after Jesus resurrection, salvation for the Jews was still based on obeying the Law and getting circumcised.

Wow.
That is an out and out lie big time.

 

[Guojing]

i already showed you paul said that also. But here you go again since you still are making bogus accusations
1 thes 2
: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

1 cor 2

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

We can't find where paul said "sandal" therefore paul never said it.

Doctrine pillars on Omission from text is bad exegesis.

But you need peter in a lower plane from paul.
Glad i don't.

You are not even addressing my point about Peter.

 

[Guojing]

Wow.
That is an out and out lie big time.

Which part?

 

[Absolutely]

That is so weird that that pauline hyper reframed doctrine REQUIRES the disenfranchisement of peter,jesus,and james.

Sick.
Very sick

 

[Absolutely]

You are not even addressing my point about Peter.

I blew you point out of the water.

 

[Absolutely]

It matters not to the hyper reframed paulines what verses you present.

They are convinced Jesus,peter,and james were basically heretics

 

[garee]

Yep, at no point of time in Acts did any of them told the Jews, "Believe in the Lord's death burial and resurrection, and you will be saved".

Then how is the gospel recognized?

Did you mean a Jew must be born again? He told Nicodemus was he a Jew?

Have you been born again? If not believe in the Lord's death burial and resurrection, and you will be saved"

 

[Absolutely]

Which part?

What are you talking about???
That lie you belive that peter preached a different gospel than paul.
You are a heretic.
Big time heretic.
That hyper pauline mess is heresy big time