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UnderGrace said:
Wow how did you even derive that from what he wrote.

You know he has explained the "incorruptible seed" at least a thousand times.

Honestly... the only thing you are after is to find a way to have him agree with you... but why does it matter so much to you?
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He said it! He said it!

You are in for a RUDE awakening!!
 
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UnderGrace said:
Wow how did you even derive that from what he wrote.

You know he has explained the "incorruptible seed" at least a thousand times.

Honestly... the only thing you are after is to find a way to have him agree with you... but why does it matter so much to you?
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He does agree with me on this point. So all the times you called me a works salvationist because I said that believers will not continue in a lifestyle of sin, you were calling him a works salvationist too. :ROFL:

I'm just waiting to see if DC denies saying it. Then I will give you your rude awakening.
 
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Macabeus said:
He does agree with me on this point. So all the times you called me a works salvationist because I said that believers will not continue in a lifestyle of sin, you were calling him a works salvationist too. :ROFL:

I'm just waiting to see if DC denies saying it. Then I will give you your rude awakening.
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Your posts make me sad, it is very troubling to read these continual posts of what come across as attempts of entrapment.

@dcontroversal has stated over and over....

NOT hardly........!!

Where sin abounds --->GRACE ABOUNDS THE MORE.....written to believers BECAUSE EVERY SIN WE HAVE EVER COMMITTED OR WILL COMMIT is covered by the BLOOD....but go ahead and keep believing you can be disqualified by your sin and MUST do something to maintain your salvation.....MY bible does not teach that....
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UnderGrace said:
Your posts make me sad, it is very troubling to read these continual posts of what come across as attempts of entrapment.

@dcontroversal has stated over and over....
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I do not deny that the post you linked to is true. But DC did say that a child of GOD will not and cannot live a lifestyle of continual sin. It's back to descriptive versus prescriptive statements.

Do you have an issue with someone saying that a child of God will not and can not live a life of continual sin?
 
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dcontroversal said:
First, I commend you for the underlined which is an honest evaluation......and then you blew it with the second statement.....My view is as follows and this is the only thing I have ever seen posted and is factual...

a. A child of GOD (one actually saved) will not and cannot live a lifestyle of continual sin <---JOHN states as much

b. Saved children of God do fail and fall into very grievous sins (David is one such example)

c. GOD chastens every SON whom he receives....SOMETIMES those found in "b" above have the fire whipped out of them, can forfeit rewards, suffer diseases and or the loss of children (as evidenced by DAVID) and in extreme cases forfeit physical life.
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Link above...There you go, Undergrace. I hope you don't take issue with this spiritual, biblical truth.

Kudos for speaking the truth, DC!
 
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dcontroversal said:
First, I commend you for the underlined which is an honest evaluation......and then you blew it with the second statement.....My view is as follows and this is the only thing I have ever seen posted and is factual...

a. A child of GOD (one actually saved) will not and cannot live a lifestyle of continual sin <---JOHN states as much

b. Saved children of God do fail and fall into very grievous sins (David is one such example)

c. GOD chastens every SON whom he receives....SOMETIMES those found in "b" above have the fire whipped out of them, can forfeit rewards, suffer diseases and or the loss of children (as evidenced by DAVID) and in extreme cases forfeit physical life.
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Macabeus said:
Link above...There you go, Undergrace. I hope you don't take issue with this spiritual, biblical truth.

Kudos for speaking the truth, DC!
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dcontroversal said:
First, I commend you for the underlined which is an honest evaluation......and then you blew it with the second statement.....My view is as follows and this is the only thing I have ever seen posted and is factual...

a. A child of GOD (one actually saved) will not and cannot live a lifestyle of continual sin <---JOHN states as much

b. Saved children of God do fail and fall into very grievous sins (David is one such example)

c. GOD chastens every SON whom he receives....SOMETIMES those found in "b" above have the fire whipped out of them, can forfeit rewards, suffer diseases and or the loss of children (as evidenced by DAVID) and in extreme cases forfeit physical life.
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Are you sad because DC said it or because I posted it.

So why do you so many people call me a works salvationist when I say this, when DC says the same thing?

YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

I have just demonstrated exactly what I have said all along. You people have been misrepresenting me. You, DC, GB9, Lightskin, and the rest who called me a works salvationist. I don't care if I get banned.
 
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dcontroversal said:
First, I commend you for the underlined which is an honest evaluation......and then you blew it with the second statement.....My view is as follows and this is the only thing I have ever seen posted and is factual...

a. A child of GOD (one actually saved) will not and cannot live a lifestyle of continual sin <---JOHN states as much

b. Saved children of God do fail and fall into very grievous sins (David is one such example)

c. GOD chastens every SON whom he receives....SOMETIMES those found in "b" above have the fire whipped out of them, can forfeit rewards, suffer diseases and or the loss of children (as evidenced by DAVID) and in extreme cases forfeit physical life.
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If I focus on works then, salvation becomes all about me.

If I focus on Christ and His works for me then, salvation becomes all about Him. :love:(y)

I choose to love God. I choose to focus on Him - Yeshua/Jesus Christ, amen - so be it. :love:(y)

It’s ALL about Him! Yet, what He did was ALL about us.....:unsure::love:(y)
 
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Lafftur said:
If I focus on works then, salvation becomes all about me.

If I focus on Christ and His works for me then, salvation becomes all about Him. :love:(y)

I choose to love God. I choose to focus on Him - Yeshua/Jesus Christ, amen - so be it. :love:(y)

It’s ALL about Him! Yet, what He did was ALL about us.....:unsure::love:(y)
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There is a difference between focusing on works and focusing on God’s amazing ability to keep His own. 🙂

And there is a difference between focusing on works and talking about the awesome, lifetransforming power of regeneration

Sometimes when a person talks about God’s works, others think they’re talking about their own works. But the scripture says we have nothing that was not freely given to us by God
 
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Macabeus said:
There is a difference between focusing on works and focusing on God’s amazing ability to keep His own. 🙂

And there is a difference between focusing on works and talking about the awesome, lifetransforming power of regeneration

Sometimes when a person talks about God’s works, others think they’re talking about their own works. But the scripture says we have nothing that was not freely given to us by God
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Our works are useless. We all know that except those who believe they are saved by works.

As if we can save ourselves!!
 
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PS said:
Our works are useless. We all know that except those who believe they are saved by works.

As if we can save ourselves!!
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Your works were useless.

My works are awesome. And my understanding stupendous.

After I became sinless, I caused God to owe me Salvation because of how aweseome my works were and how stupendous was my understanding.

I know God said He would do the work, but He was taking too long and wasn't doing a good enough job, so I got in there and really showed Him how its done.

He comes to me sometimes when He has questions or when He wants something to get done.

I thank God that I'm not like these other weak Christians that have no strength.

I can do all things and sometimes God helps, a little.


Let me know if you guys have any questions. :ROFL:
 
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I just wanted to argue this from the other side to see if it sounded as ridiculous as it does in my head...

Yep...
 
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Grandpa said:
Your works were useless.

My works are awesome. And my understanding stupendous.

After I became sinless, I caused God to owe me Salvation because of how aweseome my works were and how stupendous was my understanding.

I know God said He would do the work, but He was taking too long and wasn't doing a good enough job, so I got in there and really showed Him how its done.

He comes to me sometimes when He has questions or when He wants something to get done.

I thank God that I'm not like these other weak Christians that have no strength.

I can do all things and sometimes God helps, a little.


Let me know if you guys have any questions. :ROFL:
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You sound awesome!!!
 
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Grandpa said:
Your works were useless.

My works are awesome. And my understanding stupendous.

After I became sinless, I caused God to owe me Salvation because of how aweseome my works were and how stupendous was my understanding.

I know God said He would do the work, but He was taking too long and wasn't doing a good enough job, so I got in there and really showed Him how its done.

He comes to me sometimes when He has questions or when He wants something to get done.

I thank God that I'm not like these other weak Christians that have no strength.

I can do all things and sometimes God helps, a little.


Let me know if you guys have any questions. :ROFL:
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LOL

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Macabeus said:
SOMETIMES when a person talks about God’s works, others think they’re talking about their own works. But the scripture says we have nothing that was not freely given to us by God
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That’s what happens when one fails to express himself clearly time and time again.
 
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when i hit my head some time ago i have not been the same. i am slow its official. thats why i forget and ask the same questions sometimes im sorry for everyone. i noticed i have asked the same question many times again lolz

my coordination is not that good and my memory and focus is poor since then.
 
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Lafftur said:
If I focus on works then, salvation becomes all about me.

If I focus on Christ and His works for me then, salvation becomes all about Him. :love:(y)

I choose to love God. I choose to focus on Him - Yeshua/Jesus Christ, amen - so be it. :love:(y)

It’s ALL about Him! Yet, what He did was ALL about us.....:unsure::love:(y)
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AMEN.....from beginning to end, ETERNAL SALVATION is ALL Christ or it is fraudulent.........
 
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