Not By Works

Melach · Sep 30, 2019

here is my personal experience when i got saved from works salvationism

i dont sin any more than i did then
i am more happy and less stressed and more relaxed. i feel bad for works salvationists because when i was there i was never relaxed i always had anxiety in my heart like i was going to doctor operation or passing university exam just always anxiety and hard feeling in the chest.

now i have relaxed feeling i can enjoy my rest time and i feel more joy towards God. as i said in my last message i am officially slow. so many times i was scared if i was just too stupid to be saved like i dont understand how to do baptism right i was wondering if its Jesus name or trinity and i was thinking does it have to be grape juice or wine in communion and if you do wrong is it unworthily drank it and you lose salvation?

i am drinking my coffee now reading forum relaxing and just praising God in my heart for eternal salvation i hope everyone else sees this. its like you put on glasses to read bible in new way it takes a while to learn im trying to learn more always.

Lightskin · Sep 30, 2019

Melach said:

here is my personal experience when i got saved from works salvationism

i dont sin any more than i did then
i am more happy and less stressed and more relaxed. i feel bad for works salvationists because when i was there i was never relaxed i always had anxiety in my heart like i was going to doctor operation or passing university exam just always anxiety and hard feeling in the chest.

now i have relaxed feeling i can enjoy my rest time and i feel more joy towards God. as i said in my last message i am officially slow. so many times i was scared if i was just too stupid to be saved like i dont understand how to do baptism right i was wondering if its Jesus name or trinity and i was thinking does it have to be grape juice or wine in communion and if you do wrong is it unworthily drank it and you lose salvation?

i am drinking my coffee now reading forum relaxing and just praising God in my heart for eternal salvation i hope everyone else sees this. its like you put on glasses to read bible in new way it takes a while to learn im trying to learn more always.

And you probably became an overall nicer person upon being released from the self-imposed prison of works salvation.

dcontroversal · Sep 30, 2019

Lightskin said:

ALL I know is this.....IF ANYONE believes and or peddles the following they peddle a works based false salvation.......

a. I must believe in JESUS and then keep the law
b. I must believe in JESUS and then keep the commandments of God
c. I must believe in JESUS and then do many wonderful works
d. I must believe in JESUS and then bear fruit instantly
e. I must do something religious to maintain my salvation
f. I can LOSE salvation so I must maintain it
g. I must KEEP myself in the faith to maintain my salvation
h. ANY interjection of "I must" into the equation other than BELIEVE is a working for dogma....

AND I WILL NOTE.....JESUS begins, finishes and COMPLETES the work of faith IN US and no matter how ONE slices, dices and or embellishes......the BIBLE IS CLEAR......

But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by faith without the DEEDS/WORKS of the LAW

AND as far as the FRUIT peddlers that say we MUST BEAR FRUIT

FAITH is LISTED as one of the FRUITS of the SPIRIT <----ONE ONE HAS BELIEVED THEY ALREADY HAVE FRUIT and PROOF that they are indeed a saved child of GOD!

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

PS said:

Read this post CAREFULLY

I never emphasized our works. My posts have always emphasized what God has done. 😀

You guys need to read more carefully.

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Yep. That’s why ALL of my post emphasize Gods work. 😀

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

dcontroversal said:

ALL I know is this.....IF ANYONE believes and or peddles the following they peddle a works based false salvation.......

a. I must believe in JESUS and then keep the law
b. I must believe in JESUS and then keep the commandments of God
c. I must believe in JESUS and then do many wonderful works
d. I must believe in JESUS and then bear fruit instantly
e. I must do something religious to maintain my salvation
f. I can LOSE salvation so I must maintain it
g. I must KEEP myself in the faith to maintain my salvation
h. ANY interjection of "I must" into the equation other than BELIEVE is a working for dogma....

AND I WILL NOTE.....JESUS begins, finishes and COMPLETES the work of faith IN US and no matter how ONE slices, dices and or embellishes......the BIBLE IS CLEAR......

But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by faith without the DEEDS/WORKS of the LAW

AND as far as the FRUIT peddlers that say we MUST BEAR FRUIT

FAITH is LISTED as one of the FRUITS of the SPIRIT <----ONE ONE HAS BELIEVED THEY ALREADY HAVE FRUIT and PROOF that they are indeed a saved child of GOD!

Nice strawman army there, DC

You’re so confused you think someone is talking about their own works when they are talking about the works that God does in us and through us

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

dcontroversal said:

ALL I know is this.....IF ANYONE believes and or peddles the following they peddle a works based false salvation.......

a. I must believe in JESUS and then keep the law
b. I must believe in JESUS and then keep the commandments of God
c. I must believe in JESUS and then do many wonderful works
d. I must believe in JESUS and then bear fruit instantly
e. I must do something religious to maintain my salvation
f. I can LOSE salvation so I must maintain it
g. I must KEEP myself in the faith to maintain my salvation
h. ANY interjection of "I must" into the equation other than BELIEVE is a working for dogma....

AND I WILL NOTE.....JESUS begins, finishes and COMPLETES the work of faith IN US and no matter how ONE slices, dices and or embellishes......the BIBLE IS CLEAR......

But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by faith without the DEEDS/WORKS of the LAW

AND as far as the FRUIT peddlers that say we MUST BEAR FRUIT

FAITH is LISTED as one of the FRUITS of the SPIRIT <----ONE ONE HAS BELIEVED THEY ALREADY HAVE FRUIT and PROOF that they are indeed a saved child of GOD!

Eternally grateful had it right when he said good works are part of our new nature. 😀

Lightskin · Sep 30, 2019

dcontroversal said:

ALL I know is this.....IF ANYONE believes and or peddles the following they peddle a works based false salvation.......

a. I must believe in JESUS and then keep the law
b. I must believe in JESUS and then keep the commandments of God
c. I must believe in JESUS and then do many wonderful works
d. I must believe in JESUS and then bear fruit instantly
e. I must do something religious to maintain my salvation
f. I can LOSE salvation so I must maintain it
g. I must KEEP myself in the faith to maintain my salvation
h. ANY interjection of "I must" into the equation other than BELIEVE is a working for dogma....

AND I WILL NOTE.....JESUS begins, finishes and COMPLETES the work of faith IN US and no matter how ONE slices, dices and or embellishes......the BIBLE IS CLEAR......

But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by faith without the DEEDS/WORKS of the LAW

AND as far as the FRUIT peddlers that say we MUST BEAR FRUIT

FAITH is LISTED as one of the FRUITS of the SPIRIT <----ONE ONE HAS BELIEVED THEY ALREADY HAVE FRUIT and PROOF that they are indeed a saved child of GOD!

I love Grandpa’s words in post 109,573.
They correlate perfectly with your post above.

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

Grandpa said:

Nice strawman army there. You passed up DC, GB9, and Lightskin for king of strawmen. Fine accomplishment

And yes, you will understand the Bible better if you read it in context😀

Lightskin · Sep 30, 2019

Macabeus said:

Many people talk about their works, not God’s.

Lightskin · Sep 30, 2019

Macabeus said:

Where’s the love, Norman?

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

Grandpa said:

Grandpa is a makes up things about people. He claims to follow the truth and he fabricated a bunch of nonsense about people

Such things do not fit a person who claims to follow the truth

You will giveaway account for every idle word

No reverence for God whatsoever

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

Lightskin said:

Who?

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

Grandpa said:

You mean the side that no one said. Are you hearing voices?

dcontroversal · Sep 30, 2019

UnderGrace said:

AMEN........It is hilarious how people cannot take the whole of what is said to conclude certain truths.......here I will list a few things I have said AGAIN....

a. The SPIRIT is born of Incorruptible seed and does not sin (ever)
b. It is housed in a dead body of sin that is weak and contrary to the word and not subject the word
c. The battle ground is the mind and must be transformed
d. The greater the transformation the less we sin and more we submit to the spirit
e. The SPIRIT is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak
f. A child of GOD can, does and will sin because we still pack the flesh
g. A child of GOD will not live a CONTINUAL lifestyle of SIN
h. SALVATION is 100% instigated, completed, maintained by CHRIST
I. Saved children of GOD may bear every gambit of fruit from stunted all the way up to abundance based upon maturity
h. A saved child of GOD by FAITH is justified and righteousness REGARDLESS of any work or NO WORKS DONE
J. NO WORKS will justify and or necessarily PROVE anything concerning salvation*qualified below
k. EVERY man that has BELIEVED by FAITH has already produced 1 fruit of the SPIRIT regardless of any other production
l. THE Corinthian church had 15 SINS/ERRORS listed INCLUDING FORNICATION and YET identified as a CHURCH and BROTHERS in CHRIST
m. EVERY SIN past, present and future committed by believers is covered under the BLOOD and OUT BOUNDING GRACE of GOD
n. IF we as a BELIEVER walk in SIN, we will NOT LOSE salvation, BUT WE WILL be chastened to the POINT OF premature DEATH and or placed into the wilderness with NO REST in this life...this includes the possibility of disease, loss of children, rewards etc.
o. BELIEVERS have and do sometimes commit horrific sins but do not lose salvation (N, O evidenced by David, Psalms and Corinthian letter)

ANYONE that adds a MUST (other than believe), works, fruit bearing, religious hoop jumping, self maintained, Keeping one's self, etc.....to SALVATION to gain, keep, maintain salvation PEDDLES a false gospel.........

IT IS ALL JESUS or it is FAKE, FRAUDULENT and NOT OF GOD

Macabeus · Sep 30, 2019

Grandpa said:

Your works were useless.

My works are awesome. And my understanding stupendous.

After I became sinless, I caused God to owe me Salvation because of how aweseome my works were and how stupendous was my understanding.

I know God said He would do the work, but He was taking too long and wasn't doing a good enough job, so I got in there and really showed Him how its done.

He comes to me sometimes when He has questions or when He wants something to get done.

I thank God that I'm not like these other weak Christians that have no strength.

I can do all things and sometimes God helps, a little.

Let me know if you guys have any questions.

Where is the emoji that replies to an utterly contemptible, depraved, post?🙂

dcontroversal · Sep 30, 2019

Macabeus said:

The fact that you disagree and then argue proves that you do indeed peddle a works based salvation.......everything I posted was based upon truth.....thanks for confirming to us all what we have been saying since you first started posting in CC and then slightly changed your approach to keep hidden what you truly believe.

Melach · Sep 30, 2019

Melach said:

oh yeah not looking for no pity points just saying it so people know why i might ask same question again

Lightskin · Sep 30, 2019

Macabeus said:

Not you, Norman. Chill. 😎

JK

UnderGrace · Sep 30, 2019

Macabeus said:

thinking, thinking, remembering .......ummmm

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