Not By Works

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UnderGrace

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Macabeus said:
There is no light in the room I’m in without a light switch. But you don’t think the light switch produced light all by itself, do you?
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Not even close to what I wrote.... not sure an analogy like that really fits anyway.
 
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Melach said:
honestly i have no idea where we came from and where we are going and what is going on lolz

i just dont get it. i blame theologians for this over complicated. im too slow to understand the regeneration to grace to faith system. just believe the gospel and you're in how about it
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Religion loves to over complicate the simplicity found in Christ which is......He that believes on the Son is having everlasting life.....SIMPLE FAITH is what saves a man!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Religion loves to over complicate the simplicity found in Christ which is......He that believes on the Son is having everlasting life.....SIMPLE FAITH is what saves a man!
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I know what is the point of the splicing and dicing.... everything just becomes less and less clear and more and more complicated.:(
 
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Macabeus said:
I found this today, and it sums up my position that I have held since I got here. This is the bare essense of what I have been saying. But some want to call this a works salvation teaching. o_O
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God's work:-

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; (Eph 2:8)
 
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Macabeus said:
So was the guy trapped in the well saved by his yelling because of the guy that fished him out, or was he saved by the guy who fished him out because he heard him yelling
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Jesus is calling.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Religion loves to over complicate the simplicity found in Christ which is......He that believes on the Son is having everlasting life.....SIMPLE FAITH is what saves a man!
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Simplicity is...faith does not save by itself. Grace saves
 
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PS said:
God's work:-

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; (Eph 2:8)
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Yep. So how much energia/dunamis did your faith add to Gods power in saving you?
 
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dcontroversal said:
Amen....THROUGH FAITH is clear....DIA!!
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Dia with the genetive indicates the agency or means by which an act is accomplished. Not the person or thing that performs the action, Mr. Greek scholar

There has to Be something or someone usuing an agency or means. of the act as well as an agency or means. Therefore faith alone does not save. Gods grace saves through the agency or means of faith
 
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Macabeus said:
To win an argument? No. I see false doctrine being taught here. Saved by grace not of works is not false. Not at all. But teaching that If someone teaches loving obedience to Christ, they are denying Romans 4:4-5 is a bad sign

A. Person a- John wrote everyone who is born of God keeps His commandments

Person bMy bible teaches that the one who does not work is justified

Person a. Paul told Titus to tell believers to be zealous of good works

Person bListen Buddy, we don’t need any of that works salvation peddling around here


Person a. The believer will certainly persevere because God keeps them

Person b. You are a salvation maintainer

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Like I stated it never happened and this post does not state what you have interpreted it to say at all!!

https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-3947272
 
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