LOGIC IS BEDROCK
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I think simple Maxwell. Am not a scholar but I do study and I know His leading just because I ask Him questions.
In the OT, in several places you will find the manifested Word of the ,Lord as the angel of the Lord or the Word of the Lord came for example. Hebrew is Imrah or Memra which correlates with rhema.
This is His Presence. Logos is the inspired word written, and rhema is that which comes from His mouth. We call it prophecy. Moving in the prophetic.
What I was saying is one can read the scriptures yet without rhema will come to a wrong conclusion. A reason why we need to hear His Voice within our Spirit.
So without rhema logos is just the written word. And imo is the reason why we have so many different doctrines. Holy Spirit is not confused. And logic then to me, is just human reasoning about what is spiritual truth.
Paul did call this carnal.
In the OT, in several places you will find the manifested Word of the ,Lord as the angel of the Lord or the Word of the Lord came for example. Hebrew is Imrah or Memra which correlates with rhema.
This is His Presence. Logos is the inspired word written, and rhema is that which comes from His mouth. We call it prophecy. Moving in the prophetic.
What I was saying is one can read the scriptures yet without rhema will come to a wrong conclusion. A reason why we need to hear His Voice within our Spirit.
So without rhema logos is just the written word. And imo is the reason why we have so many different doctrines. Holy Spirit is not confused. And logic then to me, is just human reasoning about what is spiritual truth.
Paul did call this carnal.
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λόγος
logos
log'-os
From G3004; something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension a computation; specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is, Christ): - account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say (-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.
Total KJV occurrences: 330
λόγος
logos
log'-os
From G3004; something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension a computation; specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is, Christ): - account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say (-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.
Total KJV occurrences: 330
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G3004
λέγω
legō
leg'-o
A primary verb; properly to “lay” forth, that is, (figuratively) relate (in words [usually of systematic or set discourse; whereas G2036 and G5346 generally refer to an individual expression or speech respectively; while G4483 is properly to break silence merely, and G2980 means an extended or random harangue]); by implication to mean: - ask, bid, boast, call, describe, give out, name, put forth, say (-ing, on), shew, speak, tell, utter.
Total KJV occurrences: 1342
λέγω
legō
leg'-o
A primary verb; properly to “lay” forth, that is, (figuratively) relate (in words [usually of systematic or set discourse; whereas G2036 and G5346 generally refer to an individual expression or speech respectively; while G4483 is properly to break silence merely, and G2980 means an extended or random harangue]); by implication to mean: - ask, bid, boast, call, describe, give out, name, put forth, say (-ing, on), shew, speak, tell, utter.
Total KJV occurrences: 1342
Is it my imagination,
or are a bunch of Christians trying to have a logical debate to disprove logical debate?
Does this seem silly to anyone but me?
Everyone is making clear, particular, systematic, logical points... to prove logic is bad.
You are literally using logic to try and disprove logic.
Am I really the only person who thinks this is silly?
This actually constitutes a self refutation...
this is when someone uses an argument so bad that it refutes itself.
I realize my Christian brothers here are very sincere, and they only have good intentions.
I truly believe that.
But God didn't give us heads just so we'd have convenient hat racks.
God gave us minds, created in his image, so we would use them.
Much love in Christ,
Your tired and frustrated Brother Max.
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or are a bunch of Christians trying to have a logical debate to disprove logical debate?
Does this seem silly to anyone but me?
Everyone is making clear, particular, systematic, logical points... to prove logic is bad.
You are literally using logic to try and disprove logic.
Am I really the only person who thinks this is silly?
This actually constitutes a self refutation...
this is when someone uses an argument so bad that it refutes itself.
I realize my Christian brothers here are very sincere, and they only have good intentions.
I truly believe that.
But God didn't give us heads just so we'd have convenient hat racks.
God gave us minds, created in his image, so we would use them.
Much love in Christ,
Your tired and frustrated Brother Max.
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Is it my imagination,
or are a bunch of Christians trying to have a logical debate to disprove logical debate?
Does this seem silly to anyone but me?
Everyone is making clear, particular, systematic, logical points... to prove logic is bad.
You are literally using logic to try and disprove logic.
Am I really the only person who thinks this is silly?
This actually constitutes a self refutation...
this is when someone uses an argument so bad that it refutes itself.
I realize my Christian brothers here are very sincere, and they only have good intentions.
I truly believe that.
But God didn't give us heads just so we'd have convenient hat racks.
God gave us minds, created in his image, so we would use them.
Much love in Christ,
Your tired and frustrated Brother Max.
.
or are a bunch of Christians trying to have a logical debate to disprove logical debate?
Does this seem silly to anyone but me?
Everyone is making clear, particular, systematic, logical points... to prove logic is bad.
You are literally using logic to try and disprove logic.
Am I really the only person who thinks this is silly?
This actually constitutes a self refutation...
this is when someone uses an argument so bad that it refutes itself.
I realize my Christian brothers here are very sincere, and they only have good intentions.
I truly believe that.
But God didn't give us heads just so we'd have convenient hat racks.
God gave us minds, created in his image, so we would use them.
Much love in Christ,
Your tired and frustrated Brother Max.
.
Logic can be "used" for systematic debate... but logic is not a form of debate.
Logic itself is an intrinsic part of God's divine nature.
Christian theologians know this, Christian philosophers know this, Christian apologists know this... and this can be easily proven.
I have no idea why we're debating this.
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Logic itself is an intrinsic part of God's divine nature.
Christian theologians know this, Christian philosophers know this, Christian apologists know this... and this can be easily proven.
I have no idea why we're debating this.
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No debate but I get the final word... hehehe
God is not logical because logic is for the finite and the fallible. They are laws created and given by God so that beings with limited knowledge could solve problems and have a reasonable world.
Logic is a framework developed by the Greek philosophers... I have yet to find this framework set out in scripture.
God is "inscrutable" to our human mind.
God is not logical because logic is for the finite and the fallible. They are laws created and given by God so that beings with limited knowledge could solve problems and have a reasonable world.
Logic is a framework developed by the Greek philosophers... I have yet to find this framework set out in scripture.
God is "inscrutable" to our human mind.
Dear Roughsoul19:
First off let me say that there is nothing in Scripture that makes perfect sense .
It is clear, in studying Gods plan for mankind , that logic is the enemy of faith.
With out faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to God.
If anyone thinks they are cleaver enough to maneuver their way into heaven through logic then they will have to
settle for what ever their efforts shall produce. Do not toy with Devin knowledge by trying to understand it through
logic.
First off let me say that there is nothing in Scripture that makes perfect sense .
It is clear, in studying Gods plan for mankind , that logic is the enemy of faith.
With out faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to God.
If anyone thinks they are cleaver enough to maneuver their way into heaven through logic then they will have to
settle for what ever their efforts shall produce. Do not toy with Devin knowledge by trying to understand it through
logic.
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This is simply incorrect.
It's easily proven to be incorrect.
All Christian experts on the subject affirm it's incorrect.
I realize you mean well, but that is just simply incorrect, and can be easily disproven.
Again, Christian theologians recognize that logic is part of God's divine nature, Christian philosophers recognize that logic is part of God's divine nature, Christian apologists recognize logic is part of God's divine nature, it's easily proven, and it isn't an issue that Christian scholars debate... if you are in disagreement with everyone who is an expert on the subject... perhaps you are the one who is incorrect.
You are in disagreement with every Christian who is an expert on this subject.
If you still want to contradict every Christian expert on a subject in which you are simply untrained...
it's probably time for me to just politely walk away.
- God Bless
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It's easily proven to be incorrect.
All Christian experts on the subject affirm it's incorrect.
I realize you mean well, but that is just simply incorrect, and can be easily disproven.
Again, Christian theologians recognize that logic is part of God's divine nature, Christian philosophers recognize that logic is part of God's divine nature, Christian apologists recognize logic is part of God's divine nature, it's easily proven, and it isn't an issue that Christian scholars debate... if you are in disagreement with everyone who is an expert on the subject... perhaps you are the one who is incorrect.
You are in disagreement with every Christian who is an expert on this subject.
If you still want to contradict every Christian expert on a subject in which you are simply untrained...
it's probably time for me to just politely walk away.
- God Bless
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