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The great commission is enough for us to know Jesus' words apply to everyone and are the very words of eternal life as the disciples said in John 6.

Matthew 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Information we must gather from this: Timing of this is post-resurrection, the New Covenant has come into effect now. Yet Jesus does not say that forget all that I said, new teachings are coming soon. He says the opposite even post-resurrection: He says Go to all nations, baptize them and teach them to observe ALL THINGS whatsoever I have(Past-tense) commanded(past-tense) you.
To make things even more clear, Jesus specifies this commission will last until the end of the world by saying I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

This is so beautiful and easy to understand, much easier than the complicated two gospel charts we see. Jesus did not preach a systematic theology, Jesus did not preach dispensationalism (Sorry!), Jesus preached the kingdom of God, the Gospel.
In the beginning of the synoptic Gospels it reads This is the BEGINNING of the Gospel of the son of God Jesus.
Are you teaching others to follow the law of Moses now?

That is one of the things Jesus taught his disciples to observe in Matthew
 
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How can the King become His Kingdom? Messiah is the King of Israel and the King of kings. But He will rule over His Kingdom (which will encompass the whole universe). He does not BECOME His Kingdom. That would be Pantheism (which is absurd).
Of course he has a kingdom.
You gonna hurt yoself with stretching like that.
 
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Are you teaching others to follow the law of Moses now?

That is one of the things Jesus taught his disciples to observe in Matthew
See,thats the thing.
You work tirelessly to find any obscurity to throw out relevant verses.
You think by finding those verses,and misaligning them ,it proves something.

Now we see why he spoke in parables.
You can't cunningly misalign,because the meaning is hidden from mental interpretation.
You really think by Jesus saying "boat,"and "net" it excuses all from catching men?

"Well hey...i aint got no boat or net so i get out of evangelism"

We know the difference in salvation by law and by Jesus. We are not confused to the point that the great comission is some antequated dusty saying for 12 men anymore than ephesians was ONLY FOR ephesians.
 
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See,thats the thing.
You work tirelessly to find any obscurity to throw out relevant verses.
You think by finding those verses,and misaligning them ,it proves something.

Now we see why he spoke in parables.
You can't cunningly misalign,because the meaning is hidden from mental interpretation.
You really think by Jesus saying "boat,"and "net" it excuses all from catching men?

"Well hey...i aint got no boat or net so i get out of evangelism"

We know the difference in salvation by law and by Jesus. We are not confused to the point that the great comission is some antequated dusty saying for 12 men anymore than ephesians was ONLY FOR ephesians.
No, it proves no one really follow what the GC actually tells listeners to do. They just select what is convenient and drop the rest.
 

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Of course he has a kingdom.
You gonna hurt yoself with stretching like that.
I am not stretching anything. Just like you are not your house, the King is not His Kingdom.
 

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where in acts did st.paul preach gospel of the kingdom? i can only find he preached "kingdom of God"
Right.

And Peter in Acts 3:21 said, "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."

--referring to OT prophecies concerning the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom;

--Jesus is not yet on David's throne like the Amillennialist-teachings insist He is;

--"King" is only used 2x in all of the epistles, and both of them are "future" (just as is Revelation 19:15b)

--the 12 are not yet "sitting on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel" (Lk22:30,16,18; Matt19:28[<--see 25:31-34 for its TIMING]; Matt26:29 "until THAT DAY when..."/"drink it NEW accompanying [G3326 - meta] you...")

--too many more to mention here...
 
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Right.

And Peter in Acts 3:21 said, "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age."

--referring to OT prophecies concerning the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom;

--Jesus is not yet on David's throne like the Amillennialist-teachings insist He is;

--"King" is only used 2x in all of the epistles, and both of them are "future" (just as is Revelation 19:15b)

--the 12 are not yet "sitting on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel" (Lk22:30,16,18; Matt19:28[<--see 25:31-34 for its TIMING]; Matt26:29 "until THAT DAY when..."/"drink it NEW accompanying [G3326 - meta] you...")

--too many more to mention here...
When you want to convince yourself Paul preached exactly the same gospel as the 12, you have to assume both terms to be the same.
 

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When you want to convince yourself Paul preached exactly the same gospel as the 12, you have to assume both terms to be the same.
Acts 3 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Peter Heals a Crippled Man
3 One day Peter and John went to the Temple area. It was three o’clock in the afternoon, which was the time for the daily Temple prayer service. 2 As they were entering the Temple area, a man was there who had been crippled all his life. He was being carried by some friends who brought him to the Temple every day. They put him by one of the gates outside the Temple. It was called Beautiful Gate. There he begged for money from the people going to the Temple. 3 That day he saw Peter and John going into the Temple area. He asked them for money.

4 Peter and John looked at the crippled man and said, “Look at us!” 5 He looked at them; he thought they would give him some money. 6 But Peter said, “I don’t have any silver or gold, but I do have something else I can give you. By the power of Jesus Christ from Nazareth—stand up and walk!”

7 Then Peter took the man’s right hand and lifted him up. Immediately his feet and legs became strong. 8 He jumped up, stood on his feet, and began to walk. He went into the Temple area with them. He was walking and jumping and praising God. 9-10 All the people recognized him. They knew he was the crippled man who always sat by the Beautiful Gate to beg for money. Now they saw this same man walking and praising God. They were amazed. They did not understand how this could happen.

Peter Speaks to the People
11 The man was holding on to Peter and John. All the people were amazed. They ran to Peter and John at Solomon’s Porch.

12 When Peter saw this, he said to the people, “My Jewish brothers, why are you surprised at this? You are looking at us as if it was our power that made this man walk. Do you think this was done because we are good? 13 No, God did it! He is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. He is the God of all our fathers. He gave glory to Jesus, his special servant. But you handed him over to be killed. Pilate decided to let him go free. But you told Pilate you did not want him. 14 Jesus was holy and good, but you said you did not want him. You told Pilate to give you a murderer[a] instead of Jesus. 15 And so you killed the one who gives life! But God raised him from death. We are witnesses of this—we saw it with our own eyes.

16 “This crippled man was healed because we trusted in Jesus. It was Jesus’ power that made him well. You can see this man, and you know him. He was made completely well because of faith in Jesus. You all saw it happen!

17 “My brothers, I know that what you did to Jesus was done because you did not understand what you were doing. And your leaders did not understand any more than you did. 18 But God said these things would happen. Through the prophets he said that his Messiah would suffer and die. I have told you how God made this happen. 19 So you must change your hearts and lives. Come back to God, and he will forgive your sins. 20 Then the Lord will give you times of spiritual rest. He will send you Jesus, the one he chose to be the Messiah.

21 “But Jesus must stay in heaven until the time when all things will be made right again. God told about this time when he spoke long ago through his holy prophets. 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will give you a prophet. That prophet will come from among your own people. He will be like me. You must obey everything he tells you. 23 And anyone who refuses to obey that prophet will die, separated from God’s people.’[b]

24 “Samuel, and all the other prophets who spoke for God after Samuel, said that this time would come. 25 And what those prophets talked about is for you, their descendants. You have received the agreement that God made with your fathers. God said to your father Abraham, ‘Every nation on earth will be blessed through your descendants.’[c] 26 God has sent his special servant Jesus. He sent him to you first. He sent him to bless you by causing each of you to turn away from your evil ways.”
 

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Hebrews 8:1[ Jesus Our High Priest ] Here is the point of what we are saying: We have a high priest like that, who sits on the right side of God’s throne in heaven.

Romans 1:3-4The Good News is about God’s Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. As a human, he was born from the family of David, but through the Holy Spirit he was shown to be God’s powerful Son when he was raised from death.

2 Timothy 2:8Remember Jesus Christ. He is from the family of David. After Jesus died, he was raised from death. This is the Good News that I tell people.

Revelation 3:7[ Jesus’ Letter to the Church in Philadelphia ] “Write this to the angel of the church in Philadelphia: “Here is a message from the one who is holy and true, the one who holds the key of David. When he opens something, it cannot be closed. And when he closes something, it cannot be opened.

Revelation 22:16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to tell you these things for the churches. I am the descendant from the family of David. I am the bright morning star.”

How do these texts relate to what you wrote? Thanks, Daniel
 
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Hebrews 8:1[ Jesus Our High Priest ] Here is the point of what we are saying: We have a high priest like that, who sits on the right side of God’s throne in heaven.

Romans 1:3-4The Good News is about God’s Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. As a human, he was born from the family of David, but through the Holy Spirit he was shown to be God’s powerful Son when he was raised from death.

2 Timothy 2:8Remember Jesus Christ. He is from the family of David. After Jesus died, he was raised from death. This is the Good News that I tell people.

Revelation 3:7[ Jesus’ Letter to the Church in Philadelphia ] “Write this to the angel of the church in Philadelphia: “Here is a message from the one who is holy and true, the one who holds the key of David. When he opens something, it cannot be closed. And when he closes something, it cannot be opened.

Revelation 22:16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to tell you these things for the churches. I am the descendant from the family of David. I am the bright morning star.”

How do these texts relate to what you wrote? Thanks, Daniel
Do you have a point when you quote this massive collection of scripture?

Do state it clearly so that we can have a productive discussion as I don’t want to Guess what your point is
 

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Do you have a point when you quote this massive collection of scripture?

Do state it clearly so that we can have a productive discussion as I don’t want to Guess what your point is
those texts show that Jesus is sitting on his throne
 
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those texts show that Jesus is sitting on his throne
You understand the difference between David's throne in Jerusalem and God's throne in the heavens?

Which throne do you think Jesus is sitting in at this present time?
 
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When one Walks in the Holy Spirit there is no need for Law.
Two kinds of laws

When one walks by the unseen spirit it is the "law of faith" .(the unseen) it heals

When someone walks by the letter of the law .(scripture) it kills.

Neither law by there own self. Together they working together make the perfect or complete law . It converts the soul giving one the unseen understanding of God.

Psalm 19:6-8 King James Version (KJV)His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the Lord is perfect, "converting the soul": the testimony of the Lord is sure, "making wise the simple".The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, "enlightening the eyes".

We walk by faith, the unseen eternal.

The letter of the law "death" will be tossed into the lake of fire never to rise and condemn a whole creation ever again

We could say the letter of the law (the temporal ) must be mixed together with the law of faith the eternal not seen. or there is no gospel in the hearing of it. (Hebrew4)

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen,(the letter of the law) but at the things which are not seen:(the spirt of the law) for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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You understand the difference between David's throne in Jerusalem and God's throne in the heavens?

Which throne do you think Jesus is sitting in at this present time?
One eternal without beginning and end and the other temporal with a end?

What do you think the difference is seeing God is not a man as us.?
 
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One eternal without beginning and end and the other temporal with a end?

What do you think the difference is seeing God is not a man as us.?
Since you replied to this post, which throne do you think Jesus is sitting on now?
 
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Since you replied to this post, which throne do you think Jesus is sitting on now?
God is not a man as us he has no rear end to sit on. The use of the word throne (place of authority) must be defined.

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

One throne above. The Son is not sitting on the father's lap.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
 
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God is not a man as us he has no rear end to sit on. The use of the word throne (place of authority) must be defined.

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

One throne above. The Son is not sitting on the father's lap.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
No one is saying that in the first place.

So you do agree that Jesus is sitting on the throne in heaven now.

Do you believe he will also sit on David's throne in Jerusalem eventually, judging the 12 tribes of Israel?