UNSAVED/UNSURE

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Nat2019

Active member
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#43
I am not even dating right now. I would want to marry someone who shares my faith. But I don't believe it is sin to marry a nonChristian either.
I am not dating at the moment either. I am not looking for a marriage partner at the moment, because I need to work on my own life first. I think it's a sin to marry an unbeliever....
 

Nat2019

Active member
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#44
I don't think it means separating oneself from other people but not getting involved in what they believe or do.
Noose do you think you can be influenced by the ungodly?.
 

Noose

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2016
5,096
932
113
#45
Noose do you think you can be influenced by the ungodly?.
Anybody can influence anyone but at our weakness, God becomes our strength, right? But the idea that i'm godly and this other person is ungodly is just not right.
 

Nat2019

Active member
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#46
Anybody can influence anyone but at our weakness, God becomes our strength, right? But the idea that i'm godly and this other person is ungodly is just not right.
A godly person believes In God and an ungodly person doesn't believe in God. What's not right about that?
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,704
6,892
113
#47
These people seem not to know until they were told.

Matt 25:
31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
I don't read it that way.........but I have errands......will be back later to talk some more....
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,704
6,892
113
#48
These are all good scriptures to teach us how our walk should be as we sojourn here in this world. Some of your quoted scriptures are teaching church discipline. We must also remember that when we read scriptures that are referring to the wicked, some of those scriptures are talking about born again eternally saved people who have lost their way. Paul tells us in Gal 6:1 when we are trying to restore a brother who is overtaken in a fault to consider ourselves lest we are also tempted.
'If people read the OP, they would know that it was addressing the unsaved/unsure. Shoot, it's even the Title! :)
 

Noose

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2016
5,096
932
113
#49
A godly person believes In God and an ungodly person doesn't believe in God. What's not right about that?
IMO, believing God, trusting God, having faith in God is nothing more than love for one another and in this regard, we are all asked to emulate children.
Why does God consider children to be righteous:

Psalm 8:2From the lips of children and infants You have ordained praise on account of Your adversaries, to silence the enemy and avenger.

Matt 21:15But the chief priests and scribes were indignant when they saw the wonders He performed and the children shouting in the temple courts, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” 16“Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked. “Yes,” Jesus answered, “have you never read: ‘From the mouths of children and infants You have ordained praise’?”

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus declared, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Matt 18: 3“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
 

Nat2019

Active member
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#50
IMO, believing God, trusting God, having faith in God is nothing more than love for one another and in this regard, we are all asked to emulate children.
Why does God consider children to be righteous:

Psalm 8:2From the lips of children and infants You have ordained praise on account of Your adversaries, to silence the enemy and avenger.

Matt 21:15But the chief priests and scribes were indignant when they saw the wonders He performed and the children shouting in the temple courts, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” 16“Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked. “Yes,” Jesus answered, “have you never read: ‘From the mouths of children and infants You have ordained praise’?”

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus declared, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Matt 18: 3“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
So are we only supposed to care about the scriptures that talk about loving people. What about the scriptures that don't talk about loving people like that scripture-Do not yoke with unbelievers.... There are many other scriptures to teach us how to live as a Christian, some dont talk about loving others, but refer to other thing's. Like this scripture- be sober minded be alert your enemy the devil is a roaring lion seeking him may devour. So this scripture tells us to be sober minded and alert. Does it have to do with loving people or keeping Gods will?. Or do not yoke with unbelievers- Is this scripture talking about loving people?.

What do you mean when you say-we are all asked to emulate children?
 

Noose

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2016
5,096
932
113
#51
So are we only supposed to care about the scriptures that talk about loving people. What about the scriptures that don't talk about loving people like that scripture-Do not yoke with unbelievers.... There are many other scriptures to teach us how to live as a Christian, some dont talk about loving others, but refer to other thing's. Like this scripture- be sober minded be alert your enemy the devil is a roaring lion seeking him may devour. So this scripture tells us to be sober minded and alert. Does it have to do with loving people or keeping Gods will?. Or do not yoke with unbelievers- Is this scripture talking about loving people?.

What do you mean when you say-we are all asked to emulate children?
I don't think these scriptures talk of hating and separating oneself from those we perceive to be ungodly but rather not partake in their deeds.
 

Nat2019

Active member
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#52
I don't think these scriptures talk of hating and separating oneself from those we perceive to be ungodly but rather not partake in their deeds.
Hating and separating are two different things Noose. You can separate and not hate others.
 

Noose

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2016
5,096
932
113
#55
Hating and separating are two different things Noose. You can separate and not hate others.
For example; If one is married to an unbeliever. Married because they loved each other, when they separate because of some doctrine, do they still love each other?
I think love is more about the other person than self. It is what the others feel about you rather than what you claim.
And God hates divorce btw.
 

Nat2019

Active member
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#56
For example; If one is married to an unbeliever. Married because they loved each other, when they separate because of some doctrine, do they still love each other?
And God hates divorce btw.
If they marry they can't divorce. But we shouldn't go and marry a person who isn't Christian because they might hate God and also they might hate us playing the bible all the time. Because many of my family members who arent Christian dont like my mums audio bible.

Sorry I have to go bed now. It was nice chatting with you.😉
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,322
29,573
113
#57
So are we only supposed to care about the scriptures that talk about loving people. What about the scriptures that don't talk about loving people like that scripture-Do not yoke with unbelievers.... There are many other scriptures to teach us how to live as a Christian, some dont talk about loving others, but refer to other thing's. Like this scripture- be sober minded be alert your enemy the devil is a roaring lion seeking him may devour. So this scripture tells us to be sober minded and alert. Does it have to do with loving people or keeping Gods will?. Or do not yoke with unbelievers- Is this scripture talking about loving people?.
When you are yoked to something, you are being led to walk a certain direction. We cannot force unbelievers to walk our Christian walk, or value the things we do, so yes, it is loving to not yoke yourself to them, for without shared values, and beliefs, and goals, a relationship is doomed to fail, and cause additional pain in the failing. Also it is loving God not to yoke to them, because to do so goes against God's Word! We are to love Him first and foremost.
 

Nat2019

Active member
Jul 14, 2019
890
237
43
#58
For example; If one is married to an unbeliever. Married because they loved each other, when they separate because of some doctrine, do they still love each other?
I think love is more about the other person than self. It is what the others feel about you rather than what you claim.
And God hates divorce btw.
Love also rejoices In the truth. Love doesn't mean Join with everyone to create peace. Jesus's followers didnt create peace many of them were stoned to death and abused. Even though they loved. Sometimes love doesnt always bring peace between people.

Like they are trying to make a one world religion. Are you going to be in one religion because of love and unity or are you going to stay true to Jesus and his word?
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,704
6,892
113
#59
For example; If one is married to an unbeliever. Married because they loved each other, when they separate because of some doctrine, do they still love each other?
I think love is more about the other person than self. It is what the others feel about you rather than what you claim.
And God hates divorce btw.
Ok, I'm back.

First, I want to go back to your "I'm not worthy" comment. You've made it a few times. Brother, NO ONE is worthy, or has done ANYTHING to earn the saving grace of God! However, that does NOT mean we have to be "sad sack saints." :) Head hung down, long face woe is me attitude about our salvation. We should all be REJOICING for our salvation, and PROCLAIMING our salvation, for the precious blood of Christ MADE US WORTHY to be called the sons of God!

Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”

As for "saints." The Apostle Paul called all believers saints.

Ephesians, Chapter 3:
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Colossians, Chapter 4:
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,

2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

You also need to read and fully understand and believe in the Scriptures from 1 John that I posted above. How can one have the "joy" of God in their hearts if they do not believe that the precious blood of Christ has made them sons of God? Lift up your head, and proclaim your salvation!

(gonna split this in to two comments)
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,704
6,892
113
#60
1 Peter 2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

As for marriage, I spoke of this in the OP, near the end, go back and read that part. I never mentioned "hate" or "doctrine" as being reasons for anything in the OP. You are projecting those into this discussion, and it muddies the waters to do so. Let us stay with what is said in the OP.

There are Scriptures in the Bible that are hard for believers to deal with/accept/be obedient to IMO. These in the OP are some of those Scriptures.

You asked a good question about what do we do concerning family/friends that are not saved. Truth is, I don't know. Do we obey what the Scriptures say, or do we ignore them because they are too hard to accept? If we ignore these, can we ignore any Scripture that is too hard to accept and still be obedient to God and His Word?

Yes, God hates divorce, but Scripture gives us the reasons for divorce that God accepts. Remembering that God hates divorce, should we do things that would greatly enhance our chance of going through a divorce? Like marrying an unbeliever? Again, I spoke of this in the OP, so be sure to read those comments before you come to a decision about this comment.