Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[NayborBear]

lol

You cant even tell me what i believe, how can i trust anything you say?
just being honest

I told you how you believe! You gave away your solid foundation, for "shifting sands!" All because the "pride" you allow to rule over your good sense, won't allow someone/anyone to get in the last word! YOU HAVE to be RIGHT! EVERY TIME! No MATTER the Spiritual sacrifices you have to make! NOR, to WHOM you make them to! You "believe" you are making them to Jesus! When you are actually making them to the spirit of anti christ!
When this is pointed out to you? You get angry!
You don't listen to instructions, because you know it all already.
You won't take "correction" regarding the Word of God, because "correcting" is what you do right?
Your "understanding?" Is the only understanding that matters!
Anyone who understands "differently?" Gets mocked and scoffed!

And, it's not for your benefit, although, it could be, that I keep posting that which I post. But, more for others, who like myself, "realize", by some strange coincidence, that there is more to God's Word, then they are being "taught" in their particular "church of stone."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So do you now consider your own words as scriptures too? It's not surprising how you make the Lord your servant as well. Do you want proof?

Here's another "MEANINGLESS" (according to you) which you also consider as an attack, slander and lie.

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.
Romans 2:1-11

And if you want more "MEANINGLESS" that attacks, slander and lie about your belief, it's my pleasure. Enjoy your reading.

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Romans 2:12-16

Life Through the Spirit Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so...
Romans 8:1-17

The word/s of God is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

Yawn

i guess you do not feel god, maybe thats why are you still trying to earn his love?
god does serve me

He saved me
He maintains me
He supplies all my needs,
He helps me grow in him, even when it is painful to me
He supplies my strength to not only grow in faith, but to grow in knowledge
He supplies all i need to serve and love my physical family, my church family, and anyone he wants me to serve.
He is there no matter where i go, i cant hide from him, nor can i run from him, if i try, like job he puts barriers and always leads me back to him
He is my savior, my God and my Lord, I can serve and love him, because he shows me how, he is my example, my guide, and my everything.
He is so much more than i could ever imagine, i could go on and on at how all He does for me

and no, not because i want to make him my servent, it is because he volunteered to take care of all my needs, so i can take my worry about self and put ot towards serving others.

i am sorry you have not met the God who loves and serves, like jesus said, if the god who created life takes care of the birds, how much more will he take care of his children

I pray you meet this God some day, He will blow your mind away,

As for the rest you said

you do not know what i believe and again this proves it

you act as if i am lawless and promote sins and hate these passages,

well if you really knew me you would not keep trying to push these passages because you would know i not only know them, I profess them and believe them with all my heart. i teach them to those I teach, and to those who Are my elder or friend, we teach and remind each other of these passages


i know you do not believe it, and frankly i do not care, you can not take away what God has given to me and shown me, how great is his love.



either way,

these passages do not refute my passages which say if you want to follow the law you must be perfect.


scripture must be unified, you disunity scripture,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It doesn't matter at all, what I call, or don't call myself EG! But, seeings how you're "pressing the issue?" I consider that which I'm doing as "investing talents" which has been given me, by God! (kinda sounds like Rush Lindbaugh don't it? )

God calls me "righteous" in His eyes. Jesus of Nazareth calls me "righteous" in His eyes as well!
After understanding, and being "shown", just how much of a man's/woman's "heart/soul/spirit/strength" (myself included) try "entering" (forcing themselves) into the "sheeps pen" by some other way than the "Sheep Gate", which is Jesus Christ of Nazareth? Sounds more to me, you "act more a pharasee", then tax collector. (whatever the term "tax collector" means to you)
Judging angels guilty, when they cannot, or do not confess Jesus Christ is come in flesh? Is mandated by Paul! Er perhaps you didn't receive that memo, eh? For the "record?" One is judged (by Christ btw) for not judging angels.
How this may appear in your eyes, and precepts of men's eyes, and/or traditions of mens' eyes?
As you may have noticed? Hasn't stopped me from testifying and baring witness, to that which occurs after one hears the "voice of the Lord", and answers His call!
As you also may have noticed. It hasn't got me "booted" off CC either.

Once again

this has no bearing on our conversation

maybe i just need to put you back on ignore. You again prove all you are doing is playing games.

i bet you think your really something dont you?

ps

the tax collector represents the one who was trained by the law and brought to their knees, and called out to God completely broken

the pharisee is the one who thinks he is ok, thinks he is righteous, and thinks he is gods child, but is no more gods child than the atheist, because he has yet to be brough to his knees by the very law he demands people follow

one day you all will see this, if not in this lifetime, in the next.

 

[DeighAnn]

No

the self righteous person follows the law

just for personal reasons. They boast in it, they judge ohers who they deem do not follow it, and focus solely on self

The pharisee according to the law were righteous people, Jesus knew their heart, and he also knew their sins (no one can keep the law)

I don't think you understand who the Pharisee really were.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I told you how you believe! You gave away your solid foundation, for "shifting sands!" All because the "pride" you allow to rule over your good sense, won't allow someone/anyone to get in the last word! YOU HAVE to be RIGHT! EVERY TIME! No MATTER the Spiritual sacrifices you have to make! NOR, to WHOM you make them to! You "believe" you are making them to Jesus! When you are actually making them to the spirit of anti christ!
When this is pointed out to you? You get angry!
You don't listen to instructions, because you know it all already.
You won't take "correction" regarding the Word of God, because "correcting" is what you do right?
Your "understanding?" Is the only understanding that matters!
Anyone who understands "differently?" Gets mocked and scoffed!

And, it's not for your benefit, although, it could be, that I keep posting that which I post. But, more for others, who like myself, "realize", by some strange coincidence, that there is more to God's Word, then they are being "taught" in their particular "church of stone."

Wrong

you know nothing

you think you know, then try to charge me with that accusation

I will pray for you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think you understand who the Pharisee really were.

Oh i understand them quite well, the bible tells us who they were

jesus ininuated their ability to work at the law was so good unless our rightwousness exceded theirs we have no hope (if we are trying to work) in their day, they were the religious do gooders.
you should study them then look at religious do gooders today, you will see how similar they are

 

[wokinluv]

https://christianchat.com/bookmarks/confirm?content_type=post&content_id=4006565

Yawn

i guess you do not feel god, maybe thats why are you still trying to earn his love?
god does serve me

He saved me
He maintains me
He supplies all my needs,
He helps me grow in him, even when it is painful to me
He supplies my strength to not only grow in faith, but to grow in knowledge
He supplies all i need to serve and love my physical family, my church family, and anyone he wants me to serve.
He is there no matter where i go, i cant hide from him, nor can i run from him, if i try, like job he puts barriers and always leads me back to him
He is my savior, my God and my Lord, I can serve and love him, because he shows me how, he is my example, my guide, and my everything.
He is so much more than i could ever imagine, i could go on and on at how all He does for me

and no, not because i want to make him my servent, it is because he volunteered to take care of all my needs, so i can take my worry about self and put ot towards serving others.

i am sorry you have not met the God who loves and serves, like jesus said, if the god who created life takes care of the birds, how much more will he take care of his children

I pray you meet this God some day, He will blow your mind away,

As for the rest you said

you do not know what i believe and again this proves it

you act as if i am lawless and promote sins and hate these passages,

well if you really knew me you would not keep trying to push these passages because you would know i not only know them, I profess them and believe them with all my heart. i teach them to those I teach, and to those who Are my elder or friend, we teach and remind each other of these passages


i know you do not believe it, and frankly i do not care, you can not take away what God has given to me and shown me, how great is his love.



either way,

these passages do not refute my passages which say if you want to follow the law you must be perfect.


scripture must be unified, you disunity scripture,

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Do you love your brethren? Why do you judge them and call them names such as Judaizers, pharisees, lawyers, works salvationist,,,as to insult them by implying that the Jews are to be condemned and so are those that you tag these names to? This is the reason why I find it hard to believe you. Do you consider the Jews as your brethren? Do you love them? Do you love your enemies?

Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15

If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1 John 4:20-21

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. Romans 11:28-32

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Romans 11:25

Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up. Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:10-12

Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. James 1:21-22

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

God bless.

 

[DeighAnn]

Oh i understand them quite well, the bible tells us who they were

jesus ininuated their ability to work at the law was so good unless our rightwousness exceded theirs we have no hope (if we are trying to work) in their day, they were the religious do gooders.
you should study them then look at religious do gooders today, you will see how similar they are

You proved my point

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 

[gb9]

You proved my point

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

the pharisees , over the course of the 400 " silent years", slowly put themselves in charge , lifting the 613 laws that were put in place to ensure the Torah ( singular) was kept.

so, by the time Jesus came, they were highlighting keeping these ( the traditions of the elders) over the actual Torah.

that is who the pharisees were.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Do you love your brethren? Why do you judge them and call them names such as Judaizers, pharisees, lawyers, works salvationist,,,as to insult them by implying that the Jews are to be condemned and so are those that you tag these names to? This is the reason why I find it hard to believe you. Do you consider the Jews as your brethren? Do you love them? Do you love your enemies?

Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15

If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1 John 4:20-21

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. Romans 11:28-32

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Romans 11:25

Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up. Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:10-12

Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. James 1:21-22

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

God bless.

You still have no idea what i believe

and these passages still have nothing to do with our conversation

it temins me of a person who thinks 2 + 2 = 5 and he keeps using the same reasons over and over again thinking it will make a difference

it does not help

plus, you did not even respond to what i said, ot totally misunderstood it, which i guess could be the case,

either way

again, Yawn

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You proved my point

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

you just proved my point

they thought they were law keepers, and demanded everyone keep the law like them, attacking anyone who did not as law breakers and unclean people

what makes them any different than the lawyers in here trying to do the same thing? Other than these people claim they follow christ, there really is no difference.
satan duped them with the same lie,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the pharisees , over the course of the 400 " silent years", slowly put themselves in charge , lifting the 613 laws that were put in place to ensure the Torah ( singular) was kept.

so, by the time Jesus came, they were highlighting keeping these ( the traditions of the elders) over the actual Torah.

that is who the pharisees were.

They also kept the torah

norice how many times one said they did, and jesus did not correct them

according to the letter, they obeyed better than anyone else did

only christ kept them better.

 

[SimpleGardner]

I told you how you believe! You gave away your solid foundation, for "shifting sands!" All because the "pride" you allow to rule over your good sense, won't allow someone/anyone to get in the last word! YOU HAVE to be RIGHT! EVERY TIME! No MATTER the Spiritual sacrifices you have to make! NOR, to WHOM you make them to! You "believe" you are making them to Jesus! When you are actually making them to the spirit of anti christ!
When this is pointed out to you? You get angry!
You don't listen to instructions, because you know it all already.
You won't take "correction" regarding the Word of God, because "correcting" is what you do right?
Your "understanding?" Is the only understanding that matters!
Anyone who understands "differently?" Gets mocked and scoffed!

And, it's not for your benefit, although, it could be, that I keep posting that which I post. But, more for others, who like myself, "realize", by some strange coincidence, that there is more to God's Word, then they are being "taught" in their particular "church of stone."

Greetings NayborBear,

Your desire to help is admirable. I think some of the people on this site have substance abuse problems. Some of it shows in their writing and also in their feeling that others are beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn this is not only a sign of worldliness but again of substance abuse. They need prayer for an intervention by either friends of family.

SG

 

[NayborBear]

Once again

this has no bearing on our conversation

maybe i just need to put you back on ignore. You again prove all you are doing is playing games.

i bet you think your really something dont you?

ps

the tax collector represents the one who was trained by the law and brought to their knees, and called out to God completely broken

the pharisee is the one who thinks he is ok, thinks he is righteous, and thinks he is gods child, but is no more gods child than the atheist, because he has yet to be brough to his knees by the very law he demands people follow

one day you all will see this, if not in this lifetime, in the next.

You are referring to THIS "life time?":
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Because? If you've NOT "been there?" You cannot "fathom"(pun intended) what this is like! You COULD, I suppose, ask Jonah, what it was like when he was tossed overboard. Before the LORD made a fish to swallow him up. Or? You COULD ask Zacharias, what it was like to not be able to "speak", by any other means then "spelling out his conversations."
When you find your traditions of man, and precepts of men, SUDDENLY become "shorter" then you can "stretch out" on. Because YOUR "love" of THEM, DOESN'T COVER you enough, so you can wrap yourself in it!
NOT THAT YOU DON'T TRY THOUGH!
Which is actually pretty "comical" in watching you "perform" your "contortionist act!"
I WARN you now! You'll BELIEVE me later!
The (so called) rapture, or "changing", as Paul states?
Was "precisely" what God stated to Isaiah in that 28th chapter I posted.
You're probably asking yourself: "Now How COULD he know this?" "How could this happen to him, and not me?"
Just keep filling your "covenant with death", and "agreement with hell" baskets with your "love eggs!"
Then, you'll see who walks around with "egg" all over their face/s.
But, that won't matter to the likes of you and your ilk, will it EG? Cuz, y'all be fertilizer! Just leaving the spirit of anti christ's "legacy" at your wake! (pun intended)
Tis a hard realization EG! When one finds "the YOKE" has been on YOU!

Oh silly me! In thinking this conversation had anything to do with what YOU believe!
Mark 13
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce (using faux love as its disguise), "IF it were possible", even the elect.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Greetings NayborBear,

Your desire to help is admirable. I think some of the people on this site have substance abuse problems. Some of it shows in their writing and also in their feeling that others are beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn this is not only a sign of worldliness but again of substance abuse. They need prayer for an intervention by either friends of family.

SG

wow, thats two in two days, and you all call yourself men of God wanting to be like him..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are referring to THIS "life time?":
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Because? If you've NOT "been there?" You cannot "fathom"(pun intended) what this is like! You COULD, I suppose, ask Jonah, what it was like when he was tossed overboard. Before the LORD made a fish to swallow him up. Or? You COULD ask Zacharias, what it was like to not be able to "speak", by any other means then "spelling out his conversations."
When you find your traditions of man, and precepts of men, SUDDENLY become "shorter" then you can "stretch out" on. Because YOUR "love" of THEM, DOESN'T COVER you enough, so you can wrap yourself in it!
NOT THAT YOU DON'T TRY THOUGH!
Which is actually pretty "comical" in watching you "perform" your "contortionist act!"
I WARN you now! You'll BELIEVE me later!
The (so called) rapture, or "changing", as Paul states?
Was "precisely" what God stated to Isaiah in that 28th chapter I posted.
You're probably asking yourself: "Now How COULD he know this?" "How could this happen to him, and not me?"
Just keep filling your "covenant with death", and "agreement with hell" baskets with your "love eggs!"
Then, you'll see who walks around with "egg" all over their face/s.
But, that won't matter to the likes of you and your ilk, will it EG? Cuz, y'all be fertilizer! Just leaving the spirit of anti christ's "legacy" at your wake! (pun intended)
Tis a hard realization EG! When one finds "the YOKE" has been on YOU!

Oh silly me! In thinking this conversation had anything to do with what YOU believe!
Mark 13
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce (using faux love as its disguise), "IF it were possible", even the elect.

Dude please

if your not going to at least try to see what i am saying stop talking to me

i am sick of trying to explain what i believe, these passages have nothing to do with out conversation, it just further proves how you can not understand what others try to tell you

 

[DeighAnn]

Couple enlightening verses on the scribes and the Pharisees of Jesus day. Hint on one way they worked their way in.

Why does Jesus call them Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


Jeremiah 35:1 The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying,

Jeremiah 35:2 Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink.

1 Chronicles 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

7017 Qeni or Qini members of the tribe of kenites
WORD ORIGIN FROM QAYIN

7014 QAYIN
Cain
of a people. proper name, location

What does the two churches that God approves of in the endtimes BOTH teach?
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
and
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.



Jeremiah 35:3 Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habaziniah, and his brethren, and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites;

Jeremiah 35:4 And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door:

Jeremiah 35:5 And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine.

Jeremiah 35:6 But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever:

Jeremiah 35:7 Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have any but all your days ye shall dwell in tents that ye may live many days in the land where ye be strangers.

Reminds you of this doesn't it?
Genesis 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
Genesis 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.


Jeremiah 35:8 Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters;

Jeremiah 35:9 Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed:

Jeremiah 35:10 But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us.

Jeremiah 35:11 But it came to pass, when Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came up into the land, that we said, Come, and let us go to Jerusalem for fear of the army of the Chaldeans, and for fear of the army of the Syrians: so we dwell at Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 35:12 Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,

Jeremiah 35:13 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 35:14 The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, that he commanded his sons not to drink wine, are performed; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father's commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye hearkened not unto me.

Jeremiah 35:15 I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.

Jeremiah 35:16 Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them; but this people hath not hearkened unto me:

Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.

Jeremiah 35:18 And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:

Jeremiah 35:19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.

And here they admit they were never taken captive by anyone, so they can't be what they say they are.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?


John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
John 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

[DeighAnn]

the pharisees , over the course of the 400 " silent years", slowly put themselves in charge , lifting the 613 laws that were put in place to ensure the Torah ( singular) was kept.

so, by the time Jesus came, they were highlighting keeping these ( the traditions of the elders) over the actual Torah.

that is who the pharisees were.

#9397 I posted a few more verses helpful to finding some truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Couple enlightening verses on the scribes and the Pharisees of Jesus day. Hint on one way they worked their way in.

Why does Jesus call them Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


Jeremiah 35:1 The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying,

Jeremiah 35:2 Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink.

1 Chronicles 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

7017 Qeni or Qini members of the tribe of kenites
WORD ORIGIN FROM QAYIN

7014 QAYIN
Cain
of a people. proper name, location

What does the two churches that God approves of in the endtimes BOTH teach?
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
and
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.



Jeremiah 35:3 Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habaziniah, and his brethren, and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites;

Jeremiah 35:4 And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door:

Jeremiah 35:5 And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine.

Jeremiah 35:6 But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever:

Jeremiah 35:7 Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have any but all your days ye shall dwell in tents that ye may live many days in the land where ye be strangers.

Reminds you of this doesn't it?
Genesis 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
Genesis 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.


Jeremiah 35:8 Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters;

Jeremiah 35:9 Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed:

Jeremiah 35:10 But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us.

Jeremiah 35:11 But it came to pass, when Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came up into the land, that we said, Come, and let us go to Jerusalem for fear of the army of the Chaldeans, and for fear of the army of the Syrians: so we dwell at Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 35:12 Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,

Jeremiah 35:13 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 35:14 The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, that he commanded his sons not to drink wine, are performed; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father's commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye hearkened not unto me.

Jeremiah 35:15 I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.

Jeremiah 35:16 Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them; but this people hath not hearkened unto me:

Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.

Jeremiah 35:18 And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:

Jeremiah 35:19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.

And here they admit they were never taken captive by anyone, so they can't be what they say they are.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?


John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
John 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

What is it that prevents you from hearing what people say?

did i say the pharisees followed the law or was rihtious? NO! I never said or insinuated this. Yet you act as if i have? At least the way you reapond.

I said THEY BELIEVE AND TEACH they follow the law, and attack people who do not

i also said jesus, by claiming our righteousness must exceed heirs, and the fact that only HE called them out, (because no one else could find a charge against them) that it must be very difficult to follow as they did for anyone, considering as you just posted, they were prety unable to follow the law in reality

you think you follow he law as do the rest of your friends,

you DO NOT, any more than these people did. No one does. including me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

#9397 I posted a few more verses helpful to finding some truth.

No one denied that truth

that was not what the discussion was about.

the discussion is about what THEY thought and what THEY did to anyone who thought otherwise