Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[DeighAnn]

you just proved my point

they thought they were law keepers, and demanded everyone keep the law like them, attacking anyone who did not as law breakers and unclean people

what makes them any different than the lawyers in here trying to do the same thing? Other than these people claim they follow christ, there really is no difference.
satan duped them with the same lie,

They weren't keeping GODS COMMANDS, they were KEEPING THEIR OWN, doing it their way, not Gods.
6He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.


7Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


8For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.


9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They weren't keeping GODS COMMANDS, they were KEEPING THEIR OWN, doing it their way, not Gods.
.

1. they though they were (Just like quite a few people in here)
2. they still kept gods commands better than anyone else in Israel, thats why they were looked up to as Gods people


can i explain it any better? Why cant you see what i am saying?

 

[DeighAnn]

1. they though they were (Just like quite a few people in here)
2. they still kept gods commands better than anyone else in Israel, thats why they were looked up to as Gods people


can i explain it any better? Why cant you see what i am saying?

Because it was THEIR OWN TRADITIONS that were important to them. It was being in the High seats. It was being in charge, It was being "looked at" as holy, not the being holy. They were using Gods commands to further themselves, not God. They were saying they were Jews, but they were not, they were the synagogue of Satan.

How many different ways did Jesus say it?


John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

John 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.




John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, (in this your teaching seems to slam anyone who follows after the "right" ways, or Gods laws and if they do do this, your claim comes across as they have no part of this next part)

neither he that loveth not his brother. ( to insist this as being the only way)

John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because it was THEIR OWN TRADITIONS that were important to them. It was being in the High seats. It was being in charge, It was being "looked at" as holy, not the being holy. They were using Gods commands to further themselves, not God. They were saying they were Jews, but they were not, they were the synagogue of Satan.

How many different ways did Jesus say it?


John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

John 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.




John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, (in this your teaching seems to slam anyone who follows after the "right" ways, or Gods laws and if they do do this, your claim comes across as they have no part of this next part)

neither he that loveth not his brother. ( to insist this as being the only way)

John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous

Your not listening to a thing i say

and i am sick of trying to explain it

if your not willing to stop assuming and ask if you are not understanding after being told nuumerous times you are not hearing me right, then here is nothing further i can do,

sadly, you are acting like a few others.

 

[wokinluv]

You still have no idea what i believe

and these passages still have nothing to do with our conversation

it temins me of a person who thinks 2 + 2 = 5 and he keeps using the same reasons over and over again thinking it will make a difference

it does not help

plus, you did not even respond to what i said, ot totally misunderstood it, which i guess could be the case,

either way

again, Yawn

I guess I'll just pass considering your bickering and your pride. If you esteem your own words over scriptures then you have a big problem and the hatred for a brother is murder and you know what the consequence is.

When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”
Ezekiel 3:18-21

And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Matthew 18:3-9

Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
John 8:43-47

...We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3

...Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:21-23

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Jude 1:4

These scriptures are trustworthy and will not condemn those who humbly accept them.

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:36-37

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess I'll just pass considering your bickering and your pride. If you esteem your own words over scriptures then you have a big problem and the hatred for a brother is murder and you know what the consequence is.

When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”
Ezekiel 3:18-21

And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Matthew 18:3-9

Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
John 8:43-47

...We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3

...Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:21-23

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Jude 1:4

These scriptures are trustworthy and will not condemn those who humbly accept them.

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:36-37

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

Yawn

when your ready to discuss what i am really saying and not what you think i am saying

come talk

until then your wasting my time

sadly, that is becoming a habit with you people

 

[wokinluv]

...but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:3-5

The same things are what the devil is using to deceive God's creation. The devil doesn't want us to follow God's commandments and would twist His words to mean otherwise.

God said, "you would surely die"

The serpent said, "you will not surely die"

Then God gave His laws and commandments to His people but they were deceived and were led by the devil to disobey God.

Then God sent His only begotten Son to save His people from the coming wrath of God.

What do you think is the devil's deception in this last days?

"Do not listen to God, no one can keep His laws and commandments so why should you?"

"You will not surely die if you don't keep His laws and commandments"

Someone may ask, how is this possible?

And here's what the false prophets in these last days would say...

"Once saved, you are always saved."

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is LAWLESSNESS.
1 John 3:4

For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the LOVE of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:10-13

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

 

[SimpleGardner]

I guess I'll just pass considering your bickering and your pride. If you esteem your own words over scriptures then you have a big problem and the hatred for a brother is murder and you know what the consequence is.

When I say to a wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”
Ezekiel 3:18-21

And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Matthew 18:3-9

Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
John 8:43-47

...We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3

...Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:21-23

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Jude 1:4

These scriptures are trustworthy and will not condemn those who humbly accept them.

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:36-37

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

Greetings Wokinluv,

There comes a time for:

Rom 16:17 KJV
(17) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

There is an "ignore" feature on here.

SG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Greetings Wokinluv,

There comes a time for:

Rom 16:17 KJV
(17) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

There is an "ignore" feature on here.

SG

Or ya can just call them druggies Then go about telling everyone how righteous you are

The people who are trying to divide are the people who can not read, they judge others of things not true, then get mad.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

...but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:3-5

The same things are what the devil is using to deceive God's creation. The devil doesn't want us to follow God's commandments and would twist His words to mean otherwise.

God said, "you would surely die"

The serpent said, "you will not surely die"

Then God gave His laws and commandments to His people but they were deceived and were led by the devil to disobey God.

Then God sent His only begotten Son to save His people from the coming wrath of God.

What do you think is the devil's deception in this last days?

"Do not listen to God, no one can keep His laws and commandments so why should you?"

"You will not surely die if you don't keep His laws and commandments"

Someone may ask, how is this possible?

And here's what the false prophets in these last days would say...

"Once saved, you are always saved."

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is LAWLESSNESS.
1 John 3:4

For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the LOVE of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:10-13

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

Legalism 101

gods work is not enough, so yes, we must trust the cross, but we have to add our work to earn salvation.

ithe teuth always always comes out

thanks for showing us what i suspected all along.
good luck trying to follow the law.
and good luck when you try to give those.Works to jesus on judgment day

if you are not humbled here, you will be humbled there

 

[wokinluv]

Greetings Wokinluv,

There comes a time for:

Rom 16:17 KJV
(17) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

There is an "ignore" feature on here.

SG

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it and I love the verse that you quoted which I'm sure they will interpret through their ???wisdom and trample under foot.

Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, SUBMISSIVE, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18

God bless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it and I love the verse that you quoted which I'm sure they will interpret through their ???wisdom and trample under foot.

Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, SUBMISSIVE, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18

God bless.

News flash

you do not sow peace by attackimg people,who,disagree with you, fail to understand what they are saying, then get mad when they try to tell you that, and then go on a mission to try to destroy them

 

[wokinluv]

For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:8-14

 

[wokinluv]

Pressing on Toward the Goal Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. Philippians 3:12-16

 

[wokinluv]

This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
...Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:10,15

 

[wokinluv]

“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” He also told them this parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Luke 6:37-42

 

[SimpleGardner]

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it and I love the verse that you quoted which I'm sure they will interpret through their ???wisdom and trample under foot.

Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, SUBMISSIVE, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18

God bless.

Yes, Sadly... Heresy, which is truth inflated, twisted beyond it's original bounds.

When men fall for heretical doctrines, especially those which twist the absolutes of grace they push a message where they mix truth and lies until their formulae drips with sweet sounding words, but at the heart of the matter the venom lingers. So to say that God does not see the sins of his children, since we have already been made righteous by the blood of Jesus and since all of our sins, past, present and future, have already been forgiven. They casually assert that the Holy Spirit never convicts believers of sin, that believers never need to confess their sins to God, and that believers never need to repent of their sins, since God sees them as perfect in his sight.

The adversary has crafted a cunning trap, and just like all deceivers he has perfected a heretical message that appeals to those who must guard the tenets of the lies or else they must confront their fallen state. I have sad it before, they are willing captives to their heresy. We have the support of the scriptures, all of them, they only have the truths that they twist, and must avoid many, many scriptures, many calling them "not canon" hence unnecessary to consider.

Again, Peter warned of these who fall for lawlessness;

2Pe 3:15-17 NIV

(15) Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

(16) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

(17) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

This is why they resort to name calling and slander and demeaning speech. Even Paul whose writings they twist to derive the heresy they live by gives warnings and a litany of telltale signs or attitudes and actions throughout his epistles, (ex 1 Cor 5:11-13) but they are forbidden from seeing their condition, they are in a trap that forbids introspection without violating the tenets of their heresy!

SG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, Sadly... Heresy, which is truth inflated, twisted beyond it's original bounds.

When men fall for heretical doctrines, especially those which twist the absolutes of grace they push a message where they mix truth and lies until their formulae drips with sweet sounding words, but at the heart of the matter the venom lingers. So to say that God does not see the sins of his children, since we have already been made righteous by the blood of Jesus and since all of our sins, past, present and future, have already been forgiven. They casually assert that the Holy Spirit never convicts believers of sin, that believers never need to confess their sins to God, and that believers never need to repent of their sins, since God sees them as perfect in his sight.

The adversary has crafted a cunning trap, and just like all deceivers he has perfected a heretical message that appeals to those who must guard the tenets of the lies or else they must confront their fallen state. I have sad it before, they are willing captives to their heresy. We have the support of the scriptures, all of them, they only have the truths that they twist, and must avoid many, many scriptures, many calling them "not canon" hence unnecessary to consider.

Again, Peter warned of these who fall for lawlessness;

2Pe 3:15-17 NIV

(15) Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

(16) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

(17) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

This is why they resort to name calling and slander and demeaning speech. Even Paul whose writings they twist to derive the heresy they live by gives warnings and a litany of telltale signs or attitudes and actions throughout his epistles, (ex 1 Cor 5:11-13) but they are forbidden from seeing their condition, they are in a trap that forbids introspection without violating the tenets of their heresy!

SG

Is this why you resort to name calling

is this why you resort to lies? (No one here is preaching lawlessness, your continued insistence they do just proves you uave no idea what the message they are trying to bring is)

is this why you get angru and call people druggies?

is this why you refuse to answer questions asked of you anytime it would expose what you really think no matter who asks them?

all of you (one of you left for some reason, and is no longer hear). Keep hearing what you want to hear, not what people say, and when people insist you answer, your true nature comes out.

people should not have to stand for people like you lieing about their faith because you can not comprehend it, either because you were trained to believe they think a certain way, or you just are so closed minded and proud of your own belief, anything which might threaten it must according to you be destroyed? I can not answer why you do things,

i can however continue to pray for you, when your at the point you do these things, then have to accuse others of doing them to you. it is a good time to sit and contemplate, ask God why you are that way, why can you not understand these people. What is in your own heart that causes that.

maybe then, God can open your eyes,

until then you will continue to be the very thing you accuse others of.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
...Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:10,15

Who are you accusing here?

can you tell the world what myself and people like me believe and what sins we are committing? Go ahead and name them, its ok, we are not afraid of being judged, if it will expose what is really going on here

 

[gb9]

Is this why you resort to name calling

is this why you resort to lies? (No one here is preaching lawlessness, your continued insistence they do just proves you uave no idea what the message they are trying to bring is)

is this why you get angru and call people druggies?

is this why you refuse to answer questions asked of you anytime it would expose what you really think no matter who asks them?

all of you (one of you left for some reason, and is no longer hear). Keep hearing what you want to hear, not what people say, and when people insist you answer, your true nature comes out.

people should not have to stand for people like you lieing about their faith because you can not comprehend it, either because you were trained to believe they think a certain way, or you just are so closed minded and proud of your own belief, anything which might threaten it must according to you be destroyed? I can not answer why you do things,

i can however continue to pray for you, when your at the point you do these things, then have to accuse others of doing them to you. it is a good time to sit and contemplate, ask God why you are that way, why can you not understand these people. What is in your own heart that causes that.

maybe then, God can open your eyes,

until then you will continue to be the very thing you accuse others of.

the thing is, if we are so wrong, and we have all our beliefs about the Law all wrong, then why not engage in a interaction debate?

why does mr. gardener hide behind the ignore feature and toss out insults?

now, it could be that when one has no counter point, they just throw out accusations , and insults.....