Not By Works

[Pisteuo]

Amen. You are absolutely correct.

True Biblical Repentance, and the teaching of the requirements of God upon those who claim the Name of Christ, is scarcely found in many congregations today.

Indeed, without an actual turning away from our sins, we abide in darkness still.

“Repent,” Peter said to them, “and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." - Acts 2:38

Hi limmud,. Welcome to the Lions den!

I don't know if you've read all my posts since I've come in here, they start on 110645 if you are interested in my understandings.

Anxious to see what you know about pisteuo.

The OP , when it said Jesus plus nothing, is basically saying Grace through nothing, instead of Grace through Faith.

 

[UnderGrace]

Hi limmud,. Welcome to the Lions den!

I don't know if you've read all my posts since I've come in here, they start on 110645 if you are interested in my understandings.

Anxious to see what you know about pisteuo.

The OP , when it said Jesus plus nothing, is basically saying Grace through nothing, instead of Grace through Faith.

Wrong!

And you say others misrepresent!

"Nothing" means apart from works!

Faith is not a work.

 

[UnderGrace]

Hi limmud,. Welcome to the Lions den!

I don't know if you've read all my posts since I've come in here, they start on 110645 if you are interested in my understandings.

Anxious to see what you know about pisteuo.

The OP , when it said Jesus plus nothing, is basically saying Grace through nothing, instead of Grace through Faith.

Actually those who get the truth that ..... "salvation is by grace through faith apart from works" get along quite nicely.

 

[limmuwd]

You better study again

1 John 5:5
Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Oh indeed friend! Yes, we truly "overcome" when we Repent and Walk Worthy of our calling, the Gospel, the Kingdom, of Christ, and of God, Himself. Oh Glory! The promises that await such as these who "have purified themselves" (1John 3:3), and are clothed with their own "righteous acts" (Rev 19:8)

May we be "fighting the good fight of faith" today, as we "walk according to the Spirit."
Amen.

 

[limmuwd]

Hi limmud,. Welcome to the Lions den!

I don't know if you've read all my posts since I've come in here, they start on 110645 if you are interested in my understandings.

Anxious to see what you know about pisteuo.

The OP , when it said Jesus plus nothing, is basically saying Grace through nothing, instead of Grace through Faith.

Hey brother. Just joined this site yesterday! And yes, I jumped right into the thick of it!

I'm hoping to find some True fellowship here. Look forward to interacting with you, discussing the meat of the Word.

Briefly concerning "pisteou", which I'm sure you know, but is hard for so many to grasp, is that the opposite of "pisteou" is not "unbelief" but "disobedience." Which tells us that an abstract faith is not faith at all. Truly, our faith is only evident to man, and to God, by our behavior, our conduct, by our works!

Blessings to you, friend, as you Journey on the Way.

 

[UnderGrace]

Oh indeed friend! Yes, we truly "overcome" when we Repent and Walk Worthy of our calling, the Gospel, the Kingdom, of Christ, and of God, Himself. Oh Glory! The promises that await such as these who "have purified themselves" (1John 3:3), and are clothed with their own "righteous acts" (Rev 19:8)

May we be "fighting the good fight of faith" today, as we "walk according to the Spirit."
Amen.

Perhaps a better understanding of the word "repent" and what it is in Greek would help you, since repent does not mean to turn from sin or to stop sinning.

The Greek word for ‘repent’ here is ‘METANOIA,’ which translated into English means ‘to change one’s mind.’

It does not mean to stop sinning, since that would mean self-righteous works for salvation. We are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel; not repent and turn from sin. We turn to Jesus to be forgiven of our sins; we don’t turn from our sins in order to trust Jesus.

 

[UnderGrace]

Now I understand why you had to take a few days off from BDF @Lightskin

False teachers abound... here goes my relaxing lunch hour!

 

[UnderGrace]

Hey brother. Just joined this site yesterday! And yes, I jumped right into the thick of it!

I'm hoping to find some True fellowship here. Look forward to interacting with you, discussing the meat of the Word.

Briefly concerning "pisteou", which I'm sure you know, but is hard for so many to grasp, is that the opposite of "pisteou" is not "unbelief" but "disobedience." Which tells us that an abstract faith is not faith at all. Truly, our faith is only evident to man, and to God, by our behavior, our conduct, by our works!

Blessings to you, friend, as you Journey on the Way.

Outrageous........ how you just change the meaning of words to suit your false theology!

 

[limmuwd]

Which would be his children, who are already saved.

That is a common, modern, misunderstanding of the Scripture.
We may have "received Christ", but has the Father "received us"?
To "become" a True child of God, and "brother of Christ", we must be proven worthy by our repentance and obedience.
A oft-overlooked Truth from the New Testament, yet the very Word of God -

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”
- 2Cor 6:17-18

This is an "if... then" situation. As Jesus and the Apostles (and OT Prophets) taught, there absolutely are conditions on the love of God and entering into His promises. Elsewise the great bulk of the New Testament (or Old) would need not have been written.

Peace!

 

[Pisteuo]

Oh indeed friend! Yes, we truly "overcome" when we Repent and Walk Worthy of our calling, the Gospel, the Kingdom, of Christ, and of God, Himself. Oh Glory! The promises that await such as these who "have purified themselves" (1John 3:3), and are clothed with their own "righteous acts" (Rev 19:8)

May we be "fighting the good fight of faith" today, as we "walk according to the Spirit."
Amen.

What do you mean by" walk worthy of our calling?"

 

[UnderGrace]

That is a common, modern, misunderstanding of the Scripture.
We may have "received Christ", but has the Father "received us"?
To "become" a True child of God, and "brother of Christ", we must be proven worthy by our repentance and obedience.
A oft-overlooked Truth from the New Testament, yet the very Word of God -

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”
- 2Cor 6:17-18

This is an "if... then" situation. As Jesus and the Apostles (and OT Prophets) taught, there absolutely are conditions on the love of God and entering into His promises. Elsewise the great bulk of the New Testament (or Old) would need not have been written.

Peace!

Actually not a modern misunderstanding, the correct understanding.... your undersanding is the faulty Roman Catholic understanding

- 2Cor 6:17-18 <<<<< what is in view here,

Connect this to the audience at the time and to whom it was written, in other words use proper hermeneutics.

 

[Pisteuo]

Hey brother. Just joined this site yesterday! And yes, I jumped right into the thick of it!

I'm hoping to find some True fellowship here. Look forward to interacting with you, discussing the meat of the Word.

Briefly concerning "pisteou", which I'm sure you know, but is hard for so many to grasp, is that the opposite of "pisteou" is not "unbelief" but "disobedience." Which tells us that an abstract faith is not faith at all. Truly, our faith is only evident to man, and to God, by our behavior, our conduct, by our works!

Blessings to you, friend, as you Journey on the Way.

Sorry to say , doesn't sound like we're on the same page.

Pisteuo, is the application of Faith moving towards something. In our case, God. Pisteuo is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence. The specific act is a Continually surrendered life. The specific belief is that we believe He has accepted the surrendered life. Sustained specifically by the many little daily decisions that support the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.

Now Apisteuo, is simply the reverse action. Which covers any act , based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence, other than what I defined in the above paragraph.

Obedience and disobedience are different Greek words.

Sorry, if you haven't fulfilled pisteuo, I won't be able to discuss God's word with you. But there alot of others here that will.

i will discuss Faith , faithing, and how we respond to the call of the Father if your interested.

 

[limmuwd]

Perhaps a better understanding of the word "repent" and what it is in Greek would help you, since repent does not mean to turn from sin or to stop sinning.

The Greek word for ‘repent’ here is ‘METANOIA,’ which translated into English means ‘to change one’s mind.’

It does not mean to stop sinning, since that would mean self-righteous works for salvation. We are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel; not repent and turn from sin. We turn to Jesus to be forgiven of our sins; we don’t turn from our sins in order to trust Jesus.

Actually, sir, I've spent much time studying and teaching on Biblical Repentance, with full support of the Greek and Hebrew. And having actual Greek friends who know the language has been a blessing.

The definition you quoted above I have heard many times, and always cringe, for, while that "changing the mind" is included in the understanding of the word, it is by no means the entire definition; for without a change of behavior it isn't real repentance.

For any interested in a fuller, Scriptural meaning of Repentance, i clipped a 5-minute segment from a 4-part video teaching I did on Repentance, and help explain here what Metanoia actually means - Defining REPENTANCE

God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael

 

[calibob]

Of course there would be similiarities.....they both have their root in Satan or Satanic lost men being led by Satan!

The stories about what they believed were angels are similar enough to each others although nearly 1000 years and 1/2 a world apart I think they were at the very least Demonic perhaps Lucifer himself unless Smith somehow stumbled across a copy of the Koran and adapted it to fit what he desired to promote. Smith was practicing Necromancy in the woods. I wouldn't be surprised if the Devil or one of his minions did show up. Mohamed was illiterate so the source wasn't himself. I'd like for people to wise up. The Devil is REAL and he pics on the gullible. Don't believe anything if it sounds foreign or strange. Study the word more than anything. If they are promoting a book to reveal what they claim, they are more than likely trying to deceive. The Bible dosn't need an explaination!

 

[UnderGrace]

Actually, sir, I've spent much time studying and teaching on Biblical Repentance, with full support of the Greek and Hebrew. And having actual Greek friends who know the language has been a blessing.

The definition you quoted above I have heard many times, and always cringe, for, while that "changing the mind" is included in the understanding of the word, it is by no means the entire definition; for without a change of behavior it isn't real repentance.

For any interested in a fuller, Scriptural meaning of Repentance, i clipped a 5-minute segment from a 4-part video teaching I did on Repentance, and help explain here what Metanoia actually means - Defining REPENTANCE

God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael

NOT that guy again!!! YouTube where false doctrine abounds.

Well your Greek experts are wrong and lexicographical study proves they are wrong.

Seriously this wave of false teaching is actually very disturbing.... it is completely opposed to the Gospel of Grace

 

[Rosemaryx]

You are correct. Thanks for agreeing with me!

It's the understanding that being "saved" means we have begun our Journey, we've taken the first step out of bondage that many struggle with.
I've been blessed to be able to teach extensively on 1Corinthians 10, looking at how Paul equates our Journey toward our Inheritance, with Israel's salvation from Egypt, Exodus and wilderness testings. Truly eye opening, as we delve into the Word and allow the Spirit "to lead us into all Truth."

Peace & Blessings as you walk with Jesus.

1 Peter 1:4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Our place for those who are IN Christ Jesus have a place RESERVED for us , waiting for us to sit down at the feast of the Lamb...

Please do not be one of them that knock on the door , and the door is shut before you leaving you outside the Kingdom...xox...

 

[jxlar]

When people say “Not By Works”, Which specific Biblical works are they referring to? I don't have time to read this whole thread to see if this has already been answered.

 

[Rosemaryx]

I am not 'working for my salvation', I am "working it out" as the Apostle said we must do. (Phil 2:12)

The Path, or Way, that I am on, is to "inherit" the promises of God in Rev 2 & 3, which we must "walk worthy" of, and "overcome" to receive.
We've talking about things way beyond being "saved" here. I'm looking at "Tabernacles", entering into the "rest of God."

Dear saints, let us not quibble about semantics, but rather "let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works... exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching." (Heb 10:24-25)

Peace & Blessings.

Working out our Salvation mean we are to walk what God has put in us , not us work for Salvation ...
So our light shines in the darkness...xox...

 

[CherieR]

Perhaps a better understanding of the word "repent" and what it is in Greek would help you, since repent does not mean to turn from sin or to stop sinning.

The Greek word for ‘repent’ here is ‘METANOIA,’ which translated into English means ‘to change one’s mind.’

It does not mean to stop sinning, since that would mean self-righteous works for salvation. We are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel; not repent and turn from sin. We turn to Jesus to be forgiven of our sins; we don’t turn from our sins in order to trust Jesus.

Could change one's mind also refer to renewing the mind?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are correct. Thanks for agreeing with me!

It's the understanding that being "saved" means we have begun our Journey, we've taken the first step out of bondage that many struggle with.
I've been blessed to be able to teach extensively on 1Corinthians 10, looking at how Paul equates our Journey toward our Inheritance, with Israel's salvation from Egypt, Exodus and wilderness testings. Truly eye opening, as we delve into the Word and allow the Spirit "to lead us into all Truth."

Peace & Blessings as you walk with Jesus.

I am not agreeing

if your already saved, your end is secure

you can not work out your salvation unless you are already saved, salvation is the power that enables us to work the works of God