Creation and the Gap theory (pre adamic race)

[watcher2013]

Sorry, the scene in Job 1 took place on the earth. Satan hasn't been in heaven since his fall spoken of in Rev. 12: Which was way before the Garden of Eden. What is your first language watcher2013? If sure isn't English.

Job 1:6 KJV Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
My first language is tagalog...my english is not that good

 

[watcher2013]

The anointed cherub Lucifer had a throne. By the time we get to Adam, Lucifer had fallen and become the serpent.

Heb 1:4-8 KJV 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The reason why in isa 14 mentioning putting his throne coz the morning star wouldlike to be above gods...that is why..I WIll.

 

[Deade]

Job 1:6 KJV Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
My first language is tagalog...my english is not that good

That says nothing about being in heaven. God is present in our meetings here on earth:

Mat. 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

 

[John146]

The reason why in isa 14 mentioning putting his throne coz the morning star wouldlike to be above gods...that is why..I WIll.

So he had a throne. I take that literally.

 

[DeighAnn]

Let me ask you a simple question....

We know that God is eternal and is not subject to time....

When do you consider is the Beginning?

I consider the beginning (our beginning), to be way before
"And God said, Let there be light and there was light". (Like the time when Satan was first created GOOD, before iniquity was found in him)

I don't even bother to ponder "eternal" in either direction.

So, I have answered your question, please, return the courtesy.

 

[watcher2013]

That says nothing about being in heaven. God is present in our meetings here on earth:

Mat. 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

Oh i see sons of god as well...

 

[watcher2013]

That says nothing about being in heaven. God is present in our meetings here on earth:

Mat. 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

Job 1:7-8 KJV 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

 

[watcher2013]

So he had a throne. I take that literally.

Had the morning star succeeded....take that as a yes...but he didn't

 

[watcher2013]

I consider the beginning (our beginning), to be way before
"And God said, Let there be light and there was light". (Like the time when Satan was first created GOOD, before iniquity was found in him)

I don't even bother to ponder "eternal" in either direction.

So, I have answered your question, please, return the courtesy.

What do you need me to answer?

 

[watcher2013]

That says nothing about being in heaven. God is present in our meetings here on earth:

Mat. 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

Rev 12:7-9 KJV 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[John146]

Rev 12:7-9 KJV 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This is future. By this time Satan is called the old serpent. In the Genesis account he simply is just the serpent.

 

[watcher2013]

This is future. By this time Satan is called the old serpent. In the Genesis account he simply is just the serpent.

Is satan bound by time? Is he aging?

 

[Deade]

Rev 12:7-9 KJV 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This has already happened. Revelation is not linear, time wise.

Jesus said: Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

 

[PennEd]

This has already happened. Revelation is not linear, time wise.

Jesus said: Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

If you accept that, then where was God when Satan and the sons of God came before Him in Job?

 

[PERFECTION]

That there was a creation before Adam and Eve is without question. Anyone who would deny this will have to go back and bury all the dinosaur bones that have been dug up. Hide the truth. However this creation that existed in its time had nothing to do with the Ademic (if that is a word) creation.

It is important to always remember that creation as far as it pertains to us is confined to a seven thousand year existence on earth.

 

[watcher2013]

If you accept that, then where was God when Satan and the sons of God came before Him in Job?

God was in his habitational ground

 

[watcher2013]

That there was a creation before Adam and Eve is without question. Anyone who would deny this will have to go back and bury all the dinosaur bones that have been dug up. Hide the truth. However this creation that existed in its time had nothing to do with the Ademic (if that is a word) creation.

It is important to always remember that creation as far as it pertains to us is confined to a seven thousand year existence on earth.

That creation you were talking was that in the beginning, if so when was that beginning?

 

[watcher2013]

This has already happened. Revelation is not linear, time wise.

Jesus said: Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

You have to look at the context... did it not say in the previous verse that even the devils are subject to them through his name...the defeat of evil

 

[DeighAnn]

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water

For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water NASB lexicon

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished PERISHED

through which the world at that time was destroyed 622 being flooded with water.
622 apollumi to destroy, destroy utterly
from 575 apo-away from which in magnifying ollymi-to destroy
cutting off entirely, absolute destruction, cancel out RUIN and destruction


EITHER IT IS, OR IT ISN'T. EITHER IT PERISHED AS IN "NO MORE LIFE"

R IT DIDN'T AND GOD USED THE WRONG WORD. OR IT ISN'T FITTING SOMEONES PRECONCEIVED IDEAS AND SO THE BIBLE NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN FOR THEM.


2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Does anyone have any problems with "God is going to RE NEW this earth with fire"?

GENESIS 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The earth was (Hayah) formless (tohu) and void (va vo hu) emptiness and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God (Elohim) was moving over the surface of the waters.


1961 Hayah to fall out, come to pass, become
8414 tohu formless
922 bohu emptiness

God did not create the heavens and the earth formless and void. How am I so sure? HE TOLD US in Isaiah 45

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
For thus says the LORD (YHVH) who created the heavens He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place (tohu) but formed it to be inhabited, "I am the LORD and there is none else"

 

[PERFECTION]

That creation you were talking was that in the beginning, if so when was that beginning?

The beginning of our disposition is with Adam and Eve.