Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull

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Oh indeed friend! Yes, we truly "overcome" when we Repent and Walk Worthy of our calling, the Gospel, the Kingdom, of Christ, and of God, Himself. Oh Glory! The promises that await such as these who "have purified themselves" (1John 3:3), and are clothed with their own "righteous acts" (Rev 19:8)

May we be "fighting the good fight of faith" today, as we "walk according to the Spirit."
Amen.
Um wrong

we overcome when we place our faith in god and his work.

you will never overcome by your own work

please stop twisting my posts
 
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UnderGrace

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Actually, sir, I've spent much time studying and teaching on Biblical Repentance, with full support of the Greek and Hebrew. And having actual Greek friends who know the language has been a blessing. :)

The definition you quoted above I have heard many times, and always cringe, for, while that "changing the mind" is included in the understanding of the word, it is by no means the entire definition; for without a change of behavior it isn't real repentance.

For any interested in a fuller, Scriptural meaning of Repentance, i clipped a 5-minute segment from a 4-part video teaching I did on Repentance, and help explain here what Metanoia actually means - Defining REPENTANCE

God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael

And this fellow is creating a strawman .... no one states repentance is feelings... it is a change away from something towards another within the seat (heart and mind) of the man.

So with regards to the Gospel, away from dead works/law >>>>>>>>towards Christ and His work on our behalf (to those who believe).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Hey brother. Just joined this site yesterday! And yes, I jumped right into the thick of it! :D

I'm hoping to find some True fellowship here. Look forward to interacting with you, discussing the meat of the Word.

Briefly concerning "pisteou", which I'm sure you know, but is hard for so many to grasp, is that the opposite of "pisteou" is not "unbelief" but "disobedience." Which tells us that an abstract faith is not faith at all. Truly, our faith is only evident to man, and to God, by our behavior, our conduct, by our works! :eek:;)

Blessings to you, friend, as you Journey on the Way.
This is what is called twisting things to aupport your view

pistuo means an assurance, a trust, having living faith

the opposite of true living faith is lack of faith. One can even believe, yet not have faith,
 

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Sorry to say , doesn't sound like we're on the same page.

Pisteuo, is the application of Faith moving towards something. In our case, God. Pisteuo is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence. The specific act is a Continually surrendered life. The specific belief is that we believe He has accepted the surrendered life. Sustained specifically by the many little daily decisions that support the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.

Now Apisteuo, is simply the reverse action. Which covers any act , based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence, other than what I defined in the above paragraph.

Obedience and disobedience are different Greek words.

Sorry, if you haven't fulfilled pisteuo, I won't be able to discuss God's word with you. But there alot of others here that will.

i will discuss Faith , faithing, and how we respond to the call of the Father if your interested.
That's fine, brother. God has instructed me to teach True Faith, Surrender, Repentance, Obedience, and Righteousness: His requirements for His Elect if they are to inherit the promises of God in Revelation 2 & 3.
And this I must do. By His gift I "speak as the oracle of God."

As the "watchmen" of old, I know that most will reject my teaching, particularly the Religious crowd, as they rejected the Prophets, Apostles and Jesus, Himself.

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me."
- John 15:18-21

Blessings to you as you walk with Jesus.
Michael

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And this fellow is creating a strawman .... no one states repentance is feelings... it is a change away from something towards another within the seat (heart and mind) of the man.

So with regards to the Gospel, away from dead works/law >>>>>>>>towards Christ and His work on our behalf (to those who believe).
Are your works dead or alive?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That is a common, modern, misunderstanding of the Scripture.
We may have "received Christ", but has the Father "received us"?
To "become" a True child of God, and "brother of Christ", we must be proven worthy by our repentance and obedience.
A oft-overlooked Truth from the New Testament, yet the very Word of God -

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,

Says the Lord Almighty.”
- 2Cor 6:17-18

This is an "if... then" situation. As Jesus and the Apostles (and OT Prophets) taught, there absolutely are conditions on the love of God and entering into His promises. Elsewise the great bulk of the New Testament (or Old) would need not have been written. ;)

Peace!
Wow man what bible do you read?
it seems you have been misled

John 1: 12 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God
 
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eternally-gratefull

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When people say “Not By Works”, Which specific Biblical works are they referring to? I don't have time to read this whole thread to see if this has already been answered.
When it say not of works

it means not of works, period.

ie, no work, ever can earn us salvation

you cant pay for death (The penalty of sin) by some deed (wprk)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Could change one's mind also refer to renewing the mind?
Repent actually means to make 180 degree turn, or to go from thinking one way, to thinking the opposite way

we renew our minds after we are saved, we have to change our mind to get saved.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Can you name a specific Biblical work people are referring to?
Name it

baptism, works of the law. The work of remaining in faith, Any work people thinks need to be done in order to earn or maintain (not lose) salvation
 
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Pisteuo

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That's fine, brother. God has instructed me to teach True Faith, Surrender, Repentance, Obedience, and Righteousness: His requirements for His Elect if they are to inherit the promises of God in Revelation 2 & 3.
And this I must do. By His gift I "speak as the oracle of God."

As the "watchmen" of old, I know that most will reject my teaching, particularly the Religious crowd, as they rejected the Prophets, Apostles and Jesus, Himself.

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me."
- John 15:18-21

Blessings to you as you walk with Jesus.
Michael

To Him Who Overcomes
Like I said,I'm willing to discuss the salvation process from the very start.

We're called out by the Father = we turn from our current way to look at His way = ?

What's the first step of Faith or faithing (pisteuo) look like in your understanding?
 
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UnderGrace

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The word for renewing in the Greek used in that verse is

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anakainōsei
ἀνακαινώσει
renewing
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so different concept then metanoia

I see "renewing" as part of conforming to Christ as a believer and metanoia before coming to Christ in context of how it is used in the Gospel call, however of course we often have a change of mind after we are born again too
 

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When people say “Not By Works”, Which specific Biblical works are they referring to? I don't have time to read this whole thread to see if this has already been answered.
When they say "Not by works" they mean 'Not by anything that we do'.
 
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UnderGrace

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Are your works dead or alive?
My works are alive.... but I was and am saved apart from my works.

Romans 4:5
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
 

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And this fellow is creating a strawman .... no one states repentance is feelings... it is a change away from something towards another within the seat (heart and mind) of the man.

So with regards to the Gospel, away from dead works/law >>>>>>>>towards Christ and His work on our behalf (to those who believe).
We see salvation coming to Zacchaeus and His house hold before Christ died and resurrected, how is that?