Creation and the Gap theory (pre adamic race)

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NayborBear

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That there was a creation before Adam and Eve is without question. Anyone who would deny this will have to go back and bury all the dinosaur bones that have been dug up. Hide the truth. However this creation that existed in its time had nothing to do with the Ademic (if that is a word) creation.

It is important to always remember that creation as far as it pertains to us is confined to a seven thousand year existence on earth.
It's also important to know how it was, before the foundations of this current earth/heaven (7,000 years er so) "age." How God destroyed it, and started anew!
How God destroyed His enemies again, in Noah's flood. Yet, didn't make a full end, as He did in prior earth/heaven ages.
How that God "cut off" the "branches" (Israel), because of "disbelief."
And How He would not hesitate in "cutting off" us gentiles either! For the SAME reasons!
The writer of Romans called it: "The Goodness and SEVERITY of God!
I suppose one could liken this to the "sending a strong delusion, so they would believe a LIE!"
I imagine God has "other" ways as well! :censored:
 

DeighAnn

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I personally have near zero faith in carbon dating.
I know that deception will be coming at us in many different forms to convince us what we know to be true isn't. "Scientific" discoveries, "Archeological finds" that will "prove" lies to be truth. I only have faith in the Bible and I wouldn't doubt if somehow "computers" will prove that "wrong". I am ready for most everything. With financial, political, educational, and religious dynasties being under "the prince of this worlds control" we best be expecting it. Anything to turn us from the truth of God.
 

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What if I had ben born in the time of Noah. What if I had been born in the time of Elijah or Elisha what if I had been born in the time of David or the time of Danial or Ezekiel or maybe Solomon. What if, what if, what if.

The fact is I am here and I am now. Will my testimony be enough to secure my place among these chosen of God?
 

watcher2013

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An "age". Was, is, and is to come. Noahs flood was in this "age" The "age" that PERISHED is the WAS "age".

What I find weird is that no one has a problem with this age ending and the new one starting but the thought of "one before this" is just "too much".


Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
Cast down to earth. ****when an age is ended instead of an entire creation, (WHICH GOD SO EASILY COULD HAVE DONE, BUT OBVIOUSLY CHOSE NOT TO CAUSE HERE WE ARE), you have been working on, the souls all must go some where. I believe that this is why there was one heaven and one earth and then there were heavens and earth because of this period between then and when we are put into the flesh*****
Have you ever lost someone so dear that your heart seems to make a noise? You can't breath, while you are breathing, there is no where to go, the world has stopped and you can't start it, you want to go back and if you could you would? What would it take to stop your self from doing that very thing if you ACTUALLY could? How hard it must be......down to your very soul
Satan was Gods "highest, best made, closest". And when that kind of pain lets lose, well, nothing makes it through. Here is how God describes it


Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
SUDDENLY, for those who took notes on their "Noahs Flood" we can add this to our growing list of differences sound of trumpet, alarm of war, destruction upon destruction.
Gods decision made. *****dinosaurs died and I think continents separated******

Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
FOR MY PEOPLE IS FOOLISH, THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN ME, THEY ARE SOTTISH CHILDREN AND THEY HAVE NONE UNDERSTANDING, THEY ARE WISE TO DO EVIL, BUT TO DO GOOD THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE
Does God know us? Foolish and stupid. Nothing in the Word of God can be more comforting. When you put that with "The Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than a twoedged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder the soul and spirit the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. You can fool some of the people some of the time YOU CAN FOOL GOD NEVER. Just remember this, there was a society there which most likely set your life beginnings here (God is just, not random) and your life here, will set your life there. Just because the gift of salvation is a Gift from God, doesn't mean that the righteous acts of the saints wont follow you because they will and it is all you can take with you, and the wedding garment is ....I digress


Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
We know from Isaiah 45:18? that He did not create the earth that way. God, 3 verses ago is telling us of DESTRUCTION upon DESTRUCTION, and now He beholds the earth and it is without form and void, and we know in the beginning of this age, the age we will be cast to earth, the earth was........

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
*******I think this is the calming down of Gods anger, obviously been thinking about it a lot*********
Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
The earth is null and void, all the sons are in heaven like before the earth created. There are no animals, no birds, a wilderness, desolate, and in mourning, the heavens BLACK, no sun light, no light at all. Basically dead.
Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
But what was it? It was a fruitful place, cities, Remember "my tents" spoiled, my curtains, in a moment, you know Gods tents here on earth, the place He calls His. He destroyed it all.
Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
How do you kill all that you have loved? You find a new way. You give everyone another chance. A chance of their very own. Some will not even need but to be conceived for a moment, they and their hearts, there is no question, they do not need to live in this flesh, they do not need to be tested at all. If you ponder this for a while, much about this life will become very clear. All the whys and why me ,s. Remember God is Just. And we have free will. And the only lives He gets involved in are the elects because they already proved themselves in the first age and God will move them about as He sees fit. Remember the tower of siloam? Were they any bigger sinners? No, earth life happens, freewill must be freewill. But God is Just. He will recompense. I digress alot
Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Black, ask anyone what happens when the earths temp changes one degree. THE HEAVENS BLACK. Not Noahs flood.


I BEHELD the earth, and lo, it was without form and void. Remember the 3 and 4 verses before. This is not random. There is NO MAN, no bird, no boat. EVERY THING has been in the path of the LORDS anger. The whole land is desolate, this age has come to an end yet not a full end. The earth will mourn, the heavens will be black.
This is another case of taking this out of the context.... a vision of coming destruction to the land (jerusalem)
 

watcher2013

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I think it depends on how we see glory . Glory, Glory, Glory . It would seem to have been lost in the garden.I think was when his presence came into view. . it set the background. God is light and not alone that he can create it. .

Notice he never calls night or darkness good. His signature of approval. It is a symbol of evil. . no blessing from God

Genesis 1:1-4 King James Version (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

It would seem at the end of day 3 it could be reconcked as to when God saw pride in the heart of the most powerful messenger who turned out to be the messenger of lies as the father of lies.

Day four beginning with God transferring the light in respect to His glory and then after the corrupted temporal time keepers . . (Sun and the moon) two witnesses. It served the purpose. God knowing beforehand that men (paganism) would attribute the source of life to the Sun. .

Night God would simply hide his glory

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. Revelation 21:22-26
Plain and simple....God is eternal mean no beginnning no end...
Then in gen 1 in the beginning....when is this?
 

DeighAnn

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What if I had ben born in the time of Noah. What if I had been born in the time of Elijah or Elisha what if I had been born in the time of David or the time of Danial or Ezekiel or maybe Solomon. What if, what if, what if.

The fact is I am here and I am now. Will my testimony be enough to secure my place among these chosen of God?
2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2 John 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed
2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
 

DeighAnn

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This is another case of taking this out of the context.... a vision of coming destruction to the land (jerusalem)
I would think you would post scripture, or ask for more scripture from me before teaching such a lesson. We are responsible for what we teach and we will be held to a higher standard. I am confident in my hours of study and prayer and revelations from the Word. Are you?
 

UnoiAmarah

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I don't think it is a theory at all, just plain and simple facts. So, if you would, my first question comes from:


(If we are not the sons of God then who were they??)
O tis Day and the Knights....:cool:

and what did He do with them??
When on a world tour from what I hear....:sneaky:

and why is He asking these things of Job?)
Is he asking Job, or does he transition to the one he says has darken counsel with words without knowledge.

If you recall, Job had appointment with three friends

Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him. Job 2:11

However, it was Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram, who had rebuked Job, to the point that he claimed that Job had spoken against the LORD. So what happened to Elihu, why did Job answer instead of Elihu. Could it be that Elihu was translated, he walked with God and was not, so God took him.

4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.
Job 40


But none the less Job answered when then answered the LORD unto Job:

6 Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 40:6-7
:geek:

 

watcher2013

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I didn't get very far in the video before I turned it off. We had a thread about Gen 1 vs Gen 2 already. I believe that from before the beginning God was. Till after the very end. God will still be. That there is no other that could have or ever did or could have created such a splendid and magnificent universe and that it certainly was not an accident or fluke.

In genesis #1 God created just as it says he did. The only thing I have any doubts about is the time it took but Gen1 was written so we descendants of Adam & Eve and Noah could understand it. God is not subservient to time like everything and everybody else. He surely created Mankind, Men and Women in Gen 1. Then her rested. How long? Nobody knows in human terms.

Later he decided to create a newer and better man (I realize that his is conjecture) so he created Adam then a garden to put him into and take care of but something was still missing so; He, God, Created Eve to help and be Adams mate in Genesis 2. He did not uncreate the earlier creations. Thats why the bread basket of humanity is considered to be Mesopotamia. That's why the earliest known cultivation is believed to have started there. The pre adamic human races perished in the flood that he, God, caused when he repented making man kind. Only the family of Noah were saved. He promised never to do it again by flood.

At the end of the tribulation I think he will clean up the world using fire. We'll have to wait and see. That's my two cents worth.
In Gen 1:1 God is not subject to time. Nor God has beginning and end...so when is the Beginning in gen 1?
 

DeighAnn

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O tis Day and the Knights....:cool:



When on a world tour from what I hear....:sneaky:



Is he asking Job, or does he transition to the one he says has darken counsel with words without knowledge.

If you recall, Job had appointment with three friends

Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him. Job 2:11

However, it was Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram, who had rebuked Job, to the point that he claimed that Job had spoken against the LORD. So what happened to Elihu, why did Job answer instead of Elihu. Could it be that Elihu was translated, he walked with God and was not, so God took him.

4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.
Job 40


But none the less Job answered when then answered the LORD unto Job:

6 Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 40:6-7
:geek:
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Jobs 3 "friends". Were they of Gods chosen people? What did they know? They were the ones who had no knowledge. But if you answered the question, I missed it. So please tell me, when was it ALL the sons of God were together at the same time singing together? It can't be future because "ALL the sons of God" will no longer be. So it must be past.
 

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I would think you would post scripture, or ask for more scripture from me before teaching such a lesson. We are responsible for what we teach and we will be held to a higher standard. I am confident in my hours of study and prayer and revelations from the Word. Are you?
Definitely...
I am not direct in asking you. So here it goes..
1. Is the beginning in gen 1 included in the first day?
2. If not how long did the pre adamite lives?
Two for now..
 

John146

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Definitely...
I am not direct in asking you. So here it goes..
1. Is the beginning in gen 1 included in the first day?
2. If not how long did the pre adamite lives?
Two for now..
God created the heaven and the earth before verse 3 occurs.

Light was created after the heaven and the earth was created.
 
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Yes! I am a C, though not a Calvinist.

A CHRISTIAN!

Oh.. and forgot to paste the Exodus verse:
Exodus 20:11 New King James Version (NKJV)
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

well if you are a strict gap person (again I would not word it that way) then you are good to go after the gap

sorry, but that is how a gapper would interpret I guess

and I know some folks will state well a day with the Lord is like 1000 year or a variation thereof, but that is not what that verse meana IMO
 

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God created the heaven and the earth before verse 3 occurs.

Light was created after the heaven and the earth was created.
I am asking verse 1....is it included in the first day....see you gap theorist...cant even answer.... directly...you need story....
 
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2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water

For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water NASB lexicon

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished PERISHED

through which the world at that time was destroyed 622 being flooded with water.
622 apollumi to destroy, destroy utterly
from 575 apo-away from which in magnifying ollymi-to destroy
cutting off entirely, absolute destruction, cancel out RUIN and destruction


EITHER IT IS, OR IT ISN'T. EITHER IT PERISHED AS IN "NO MORE LIFE"

R IT DIDN'T AND GOD USED THE WRONG WORD. OR IT ISN'T FITTING SOMEONES PRECONCEIVED IDEAS AND SO THE BIBLE NEEDS TO BE REWRITTEN FOR THEM.


2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Does anyone have any problems with "God is going to RE NEW this earth with fire"?

GENESIS 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The earth was (Hayah) formless (tohu) and void (va vo hu) emptiness and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God (Elohim) was moving over the surface of the waters.


1961 Hayah to fall out, come to pass, become
8414 tohu formless
922 bohu emptiness

God did not create the heavens and the earth formless and void. How am I so sure? HE TOLD US in Isaiah 45

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
For thus says the LORD (YHVH) who created the heavens He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place (tohu) but formed it to be inhabited, "I am the LORD and there is none else"

I don't know what people do with 'and the earth was without form and void.....:unsure:

that does not sound like something God would call 'good'

for me, the first time I started to read the Bible...as a child believe it or not...I always thought there was something 'else'
 

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An "age". Was, is, and is to come. Noahs flood was in this "age" The "age" that PERISHED is the WAS "age".

What I find weird is that no one has a problem with this age ending and the new one starting but the thought of "one before this" is just "too much".


Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
Cast down to earth. ****when an age is ended instead of an entire creation, (WHICH GOD SO EASILY COULD HAVE DONE, BUT OBVIOUSLY CHOSE NOT TO CAUSE HERE WE ARE), you have been working on, the souls all must go some where. I believe that this is why there was one heaven and one earth and then there were heavens and earth because of this period between then and when we are put into the flesh*****
Have you ever lost someone so dear that your heart seems to make a noise? You can't breath, while you are breathing, there is no where to go, the world has stopped and you can't start it, you want to go back and if you could you would? What would it take to stop your self from doing that very thing if you ACTUALLY could? How hard it must be......down to your very soul
Satan was Gods "highest, best made, closest". And when that kind of pain lets lose, well, nothing makes it through. Here is how God describes it


Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
SUDDENLY, for those who took notes on their "Noahs Flood" we can add this to our growing list of differences sound of trumpet, alarm of war, destruction upon destruction.
Gods decision made. *****dinosaurs died and I think continents separated******

Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
FOR MY PEOPLE IS FOOLISH, THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN ME, THEY ARE SOTTISH CHILDREN AND THEY HAVE NONE UNDERSTANDING, THEY ARE WISE TO DO EVIL, BUT TO DO GOOD THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE
Does God know us? Foolish and stupid. Nothing in the Word of God can be more comforting. When you put that with "The Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than a twoedged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder the soul and spirit the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. You can fool some of the people some of the time YOU CAN FOOL GOD NEVER. Just remember this, there was a society there which most likely set your life beginnings here (God is just, not random) and your life here, will set your life there. Just because the gift of salvation is a Gift from God, doesn't mean that the righteous acts of the saints wont follow you because they will and it is all you can take with you, and the wedding garment is ....I digress


Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
We know from Isaiah 45:18? that He did not create the earth that way. God, 3 verses ago is telling us of DESTRUCTION upon DESTRUCTION, and now He beholds the earth and it is without form and void, and we know in the beginning of this age, the age we will be cast to earth, the earth was........

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
*******I think this is the calming down of Gods anger, obviously been thinking about it a lot*********
Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
The earth is null and void, all the sons are in heaven like before the earth created. There are no animals, no birds, a wilderness, desolate, and in mourning, the heavens BLACK, no sun light, no light at all. Basically dead.
Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
But what was it? It was a fruitful place, cities, Remember "my tents" spoiled, my curtains, in a moment, you know Gods tents here on earth, the place He calls His. He destroyed it all.
Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
How do you kill all that you have loved? You find a new way. You give everyone another chance. A chance of their very own. Some will not even need but to be conceived for a moment, they and their hearts, there is no question, they do not need to live in this flesh, they do not need to be tested at all. If you ponder this for a while, much about this life will become very clear. All the whys and why me ,s. Remember God is Just. And we have free will. And the only lives He gets involved in are the elects because they already proved themselves in the first age and God will move them about as He sees fit. Remember the tower of siloam? Were they any bigger sinners? No, earth life happens, freewill must be freewill. But God is Just. He will recompense. I digress alot
Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Black, ask anyone what happens when the earths temp changes one degree. THE HEAVENS BLACK. Not Noahs flood.


I BEHELD the earth, and lo, it was without form and void. Remember the 3 and 4 verses before. This is not random. There is NO MAN, no bird, no boat. EVERY THING has been in the path of the LORDS anger. The whole land is desolate, this age has come to an end yet not a full end. The earth will mourn, the heavens will be black.
Your justifucation for a pre flood using what....was and age....it is just too much.....
Are we on the same earth....simple
The OLD world perished...now the current world...
This is what you have done in isa 14
Isa 14 talking about the destruction of babylon...then you add your gap.
Jer 4 talking about coming destruction to jerusalem you add your gap.
Then this peter...before and after 2pet3:5 was talking about NoAh flood then suddenly its not anymore in 2 pet 3:5 because you had to add your gap...

Sqeet liars
 

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I don't know what people do with 'and the earth was without form and void.....:unsure:

that does not sound like something God would call 'good'

for me, the first time I started to read the Bible...as a child believe it or not...I always thought there was something 'else'
The water was without form and void..
 
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The water was without form and void..

oh no

not true

it would have had to have been spherical

unless you are also a flat earther

your answer is up there with the rest of them...in helium land