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Locoponydirtman

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Such compassion. True example of Christian ethics. Does he get a trial or are you just going to murder him based on news reporting?

What happens when things get worse and the police refuse to respond to calls for help?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Maybe they should just stop shooting the victims. Or not shoot at all unless their life is in danger.
There are plenty of witnesses, I bet a judge and jury can sort this one straight out and get him to the gallows quick.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Such compassion. True example of Christian ethics. Does he get a trial or are you just going to murder him based on news reporting?

What happens when things get worse and the police refuse to respond to calls for help?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'm more concerned about compassion for those who call the police for help, and find themselves in danger from the so called help. Not some murderous tyrannical abuser of authority which is also treasonous as it betrays the citizens who are supposed to be the authority in this nation. "Of the people for the people and by the people", that should mean something.
 

Dude653

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Such compassion. True example of Christian ethics. Does he get a trial or are you just going to murder him based on news reporting?

What happens when things get worse and the police refuse to respond to calls for help?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
He will get due process just like everyone else.
He shot an innocent woman in her own home. The one place where a person should be safe and secure
He shot her through a window without even identifying himself as a police officer
Please. The very people we pay to protect us. This is unacceptable
 

notuptome

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I'm more concerned about compassion for those who call the police for help, and find themselves in danger from the so called help. Not some murderous tyrannical abuser of authority which is also treasonous as it betrays the citizens who are supposed to be the authority in this nation. "Of the people for the people and by the people", that should mean something.
Not everone is as perfect as you. Have you ever been under great stress and under threat for your life? Let's give the courts time to investigate and give the officer an impartial hearing. If he is guilty under the law then he will be subject to penalty.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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He will get due process just like everyone else.
He shot an innocent woman in her own home. The one place where a person should be safe and secure
He shot her through a window without even identifying himself as a police officer
Please. The very people we pay to protect us. This is unacceptable
Will he? Seems like he has already been convicted in the court of popular opinion.

It's a sad situation but the more pressure and lack of support the police receive the harder it becomes for them to act perfectly in every situation. I'm not surprised they are getting quick to defend themselves with deadly force.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Will he? Seems like he has already been convicted in the court of popular opinion.

It's a sad situation but the more pressure and lack of support the police receive the harder it becomes for them to act perfectly in every situation. I'm not surprised they are getting quick to defend themselves with deadly force.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Seems we didn't start this fire, maybe they should present themselves as worthy of the public trust, rather than betray it repetitively.
 

Dude653

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Will he? Seems like he has already been convicted in the court of popular opinion.

It's a sad situation but the more pressure and lack of support the police receive the harder it becomes for them to act perfectly in every situation. I'm not surprised they are getting quick to defend themselves with deadly force.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yep... a jury will decide whether or not he is guilty of murder
 

notuptome

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Seems we didn't start this fire, maybe they should present themselves as worthy of the public trust, rather than betray it repetitively.
As long as the public continues to ambush them with guns and lawsuits the trust level will diminish.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Locoponydirtman

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As long as the public continues to ambush them with guns and lawsuits the trust level will diminish.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
They can expect more cooperation when they stop harassing bullying violating people's civil rights and shooting people without any cause whatsoever
 

notuptome

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They can expect more cooperation when they stop harassing bullying violating people's civil rights and shooting people without any cause whatsoever
Their attitude is reflective of the attitude they encounter from the people they interact with. You cooperate and act in a civil manner they will reciprocate. Challenge them and act in opposition to their lawful orders and you will be compelled to obey.

You have the right to sue them if they violate your civil rights but if you cause them to use deadly force due to a perceived threat to their well being your estate will endeavor to sue them. Obey now sue later if you are so inclined.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

calibob

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Hasn't any body heard of the Castle laws. In the case of a home invasion or burglary some states allow deadly force. Before I was saved I believed it was a civic responsibility to shoot and try to kill burglars. In California at that time they had to be inside not comming in. So some waited till the criminals got inside then shot without warning. It had negative repercussions and people often got shot and it became a false excuse to commit manslaughter or murder. So it had to be changed.

I no longer believe in shoot, first ask question later. However it wasn't me. It may very well be she didn't realize it was a cop.
 

calibob

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Laws regarding use of deadly force vary from state to state as well as municipalities. Like cities and counties. That's 1 area where the Government allows State and local sovereignty. (For the most part) For now.

I believe in Texas it's still legal to shoot somebody for stealing milk from a Cow on our property. (Oh brother!)
 

Lightskin

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There’s one thing, amongst other things, that is not taken properly into consideration in police training, and that is the situation when a person is inexperienced with being confronted with the police, or goes into shock when being ordered to freeze etc.

The person will not cooperate and some officers will open fire prematurely.

When you start working as a law enforcement officer you must be aware that you now shall protect and serve.

Opening fire prematurely (trigger happy) can indicate that you’re not cut out for law enforcement.

Sometimes it is your duty to recognize a situation and allow the time for sorting it out.

There’s too many unfit officers as of today.
The reality of your last sentence puts you at risk more so than the public you serve. Very frightening and unfortunate.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Their attitude is reflective of the attitude they encounter from the people they interact with. You cooperate and act in a civil manner they will reciprocate. Challenge them and act in opposition to their lawful orders and you will be compelled to obey.

You have the right to sue them if they violate your civil rights but if you cause them to use deadly force due to a perceived threat to their well being your estate will endeavor to sue them. Obey now sue later if you are so inclined.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
So not true, witnessed it on many occasions
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Laws regarding use of deadly force vary from state to state as well as municipalities. Like cities and counties. That's 1 area where the Government allows State and local sovereignty. (For the most part) For now.

I believe in Texas it's still legal to shoot somebody for stealing milk from a Cow on our property. (Oh brother!)
in Texas we do have the castle doctrine and the castle doctrine also extends to your vehicle as long as you are occupying it. in some cases it has extended to neighbors homes if they have we asked you to watch and keep an eye on their home.
The castle doctrine protects your property at night, but only inside your home during the day light hours or your vehicle if you are in it at the time.
 
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That whole deal was convoluted. The neighbor suggested foul play to the dispatcher,which clued in the cop that something or foul play was going on in the home.
I still dont know if she had the gun in her hand or if it was just nearby.
Either way she had a right to have a gun,but the cop looked like a rookie and .....well it went south.
The thing was like a perfect storm.
A hundred things coulda been different. One bad deal after another.
 

Whispered

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Seems we didn't start this fire, maybe they should present themselves as worthy of the public trust, rather than betray it repetitively.
I think that's an unfair indictment that imparts all police do this. There are bad cops just like there are bad people in any job.
Not all are bad. Not all police are good.
These type headlines are not that common, though one headline is bad enough.

There are plenty of stories wherein police are gunned down. Unfortunately, people don't give those that much attention.
I wonder why?
In the last 39 weeks 30 police officers have been killed in the line of duty. If for even just a moment the thoughts, "good! serves them right!", "So what!" or similar sparked in your mind, maybe the problem isn't police.







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The officer that was charged in the Ft.Worth Texas shooting is entitled to due process. Just like anyone else. If we lose sight of that because he's a cop, we're really barking up the wrong tree claiming to take offense at this Ft. Worth tragedy . When the tragedy is, those who think a cop accused is automatically guilty of what they're accused of. And deserve to die.
That attitude doesn't make us better than the bad guy. It makes us just like the bad guys.

May God's mercies , compassion, and forgiveness, extend to officer Aaron Dean . And may our Lord's strength uphold his family and friends, as it continues to uphold the family and friends and the young nephew of Atatiana Jefferson .
 

Whispered

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That whole deal was convoluted. The neighbor suggested foul play to the dispatcher,which clued in the cop that something or foul play was going on in the home.
I still dont know if she had the gun in her hand or if it was just nearby.
Either way she had a right to have a gun,but the cop looked like a rookie and .....well it went south.
The thing was like a perfect storm.
A hundred things coulda been different. One bad deal after another.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Their attitude is reflective of the attitude they encounter from the people they interact with. You cooperate and act in a civil manner they will reciprocate. Challenge them and act in opposition to their lawful orders and you will be compelled to obey.

You have the right to sue them if they violate your civil rights but if you cause them to use deadly force due to a perceived threat to their well being your estate will endeavor to sue them. Obey now sue later if you are so inclined.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Evidence of the courtesy that you will be treated with, all over the country too.