Is unconditional election biblical?
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Again you failed to read my post. Though if you are Calvinist it is understandable that you would take issues with the posted scriptures that refute TULIP.
Yet you failed to. But you do resort to calling me a name, like others here do when unable to comport themselves well when they disagree with someone. There are scriptures that condemn that behavior. I wonder if you and your fellows are aware.
Jesus' mom.
Yet you failed to. But you do resort to calling me a name, like others here do when unable to comport themselves well when they disagree with someone. There are scriptures that condemn that behavior. I wonder if you and your fellows are aware.
Jesus' mom.
And did you really just say Mary was sinless? Are you catholic?
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You are familiar with what Jesus called the Pharisee's? You called me a Pharisee.
I did. See below.
I am not Roman Catholic.
I would refer you to the Book of Luke chapter 1.
26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed[b] to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”[c] 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”[d]
The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 5485
Original WordWord Origin
carißfrom (5463)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Charis9:372,1298
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
khar'-ece Noun Feminine
Definition
Mary was given God's grace so that she may birth the only begotten son of the Most High God brought into the world by God's grace, that He, Jesus, would take away the sin of the world. The Book of John chapter 1 verse 29.
I did. See below.
I am not Roman Catholic.
I would refer you to the Book of Luke chapter 1.
26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed[b] to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”[c] 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”[d]
The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 5485
Original WordWord Origin
carißfrom (5463)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Charis9:372,1298
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
khar'-ece Noun Feminine
Definition
- grace
- that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech
- good will, loving-kindness, favour
- of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues
- what is due to grace
- the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace
- the token or proof of grace, benefit
- a gift of grace
- benefit, bounty
- thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward
Mary was given God's grace so that she may birth the only begotten son of the Most High God brought into the world by God's grace, that He, Jesus, would take away the sin of the world. The Book of John chapter 1 verse 29.
The trouble is, you know every little about this topic. You read the people who are against Reformed theology. I challenge you to read some books written by people who support Reformed theology. That is what scholars do. They read both sides of an issue, and then support the side they feel is correct with a variety of scholars, and the Bible.
All you do is attack and attack. You explain the opposite side of the debate, which is simply inappropriate. You have never lived it, you don't believe it, and you are getting it wrong half the time.
Again, I suggest you present your view of Arminianism, or whatever you call it. Stop attacking, and be positive in presenting scriptures to support what you believe. Not what you believe other people believe.
By the way, Mary was not sinless. But she was a virgin, or alma, as Isaiah said she would be in Isa. 7:14.
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This post suggests you have a little difficulty with reading comprehension.
I did NOT call you a Pharisee. I said the arguments you are making mirror those arguments of the Pharisees.
Where in all that stuff you posted up there does it say Mary was sinless? And why are you ignoring all those verses that say the sins of the father....?
Most importantly, I'd really like to know what you were able to do before you were conceived and born!?
I did NOT call you a Pharisee. I said the arguments you are making mirror those arguments of the Pharisees.
Where in all that stuff you posted up there does it say Mary was sinless? And why are you ignoring all those verses that say the sins of the father....?
Most importantly, I'd really like to know what you were able to do before you were conceived and born!?
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This is a point that should not be glossed over in the discussion at hand. The most important question to ask is do we view the bible through the lens of Calvinism or do we view Calvinism through the lens of the bible?
Every point of the five points of Calvinism can be supported from the bible. Most of the five points of Calvinism are misrepresented by Calvinists in biblical context. Calvinists overstate the five points of Calvinism. Was Calvin a good guy? I really don't know.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Every point of the five points of Calvinism can be supported from the bible. Most of the five points of Calvinism are misrepresented by Calvinists in biblical context. Calvinists overstate the five points of Calvinism. Was Calvin a good guy? I really don't know.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I have as of yet found anyone to interpret John 6:38 to say that Jesus died for all mankind. They all quote other verses that they think refutes limited atonement, but John 6:38 cannot be swept under the rug and not be acknowledged for what it says, There must be a reasonable explanation for all scriptures.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Those that the Father has given are those who believeth on Jesus that they may have everlasting life. The way unto salvation is Jesus Christ.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Those that the Father has given are those who believeth on Jesus that they may have everlasting life. The way unto salvation is Jesus Christ.
I'll give it a shot with a clumsy analogy.
I rent out ALL the rooms at The Four Seasons Hotel in NYC. I make an announcement that everyone who wants to come and stay, free room and board, for the rest of their life, may do so.
Many laugh at me. Many don't believe I did, or have the ability to, and don't come. Many don't even think there IS a Four Seasons Hotel and so don't come.
But a few DO believe me, come, and enjoy the place and it's amenities for their whole life.
Now I have PAID for ALL to come. I paid for those rooms of even those that didn't come.
Hope this helps.
I rent out ALL the rooms at The Four Seasons Hotel in NYC. I make an announcement that everyone who wants to come and stay, free room and board, for the rest of their life, may do so.
Many laugh at me. Many don't believe I did, or have the ability to, and don't come. Many don't even think there IS a Four Seasons Hotel and so don't come.
But a few DO believe me, come, and enjoy the place and it's amenities for their whole life.
Now I have PAID for ALL to come. I paid for those rooms of even those that didn't come.
Hope this helps.
You lack the capacity to understand. You have the wrong reference. Perhaps you should read and consider the word of Jesus in John 6:45.
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Let me ask you this; Consider the sacrifice; The sacrifice was offered to God, for God's acceptance. It was not offered to man for man's acceptance. The sacrifice was to pay for the sins of "all that the Father gave him" not all mankind. In your analogy, "the announcement" I am assuming has reference to John 6:44, No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day. If the drawing that God does includes all mankind, then all mankind will be raised up at the last day. Verse 47 says he that believeth on me hath everlasting life. The natural man cannot discern the things of the Spirit until he has been born of the Spirit in the new birth, so only those who are born again and already have the promise of eternal life will come. this also relates to John 3:16, Those who "believeth" who are already born again. At least, that is the way I see it with keeping the scriptures in harmony.