Gospel according to James

John146 · Oct 21, 2019

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

dcontroversal · Oct 21, 2019

John146 said:

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

yep ....believers post tribulation resurrectuon/change............

Guojing · Oct 21, 2019

dcontroversal said:

He was trying to show you scripture stating it will take more than just faith in Jesus to be saved during the tribulation.

dcontroversal · Oct 21, 2019

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Guojing said:

I know what he was trying to show me and I say it was poppycock....From Adam to the last man saved it is by grace through faith.....no one, regardless of their time frame on this planet, will ever be saved by more than faith.....ever!

Guojing · Oct 21, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Yes, we have debated this before here. Maybe John had not had a chance to look thru it yet.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-is-it-still-faith-only-for-salvation.185801/

EliBeth · Oct 21, 2019

Sipsey said:

😞 I didn't think about Copyright laws...maybe that's it? I just need to get the book I guess. 🙂

garee · Oct 22, 2019

Guojing said:

The Amil position (no literal thousand years) works the best for reconciling the inspired and signified word of God.

We are in the tribulation period. The wrath of God death, is being revealed from heaven .A dying suffering creation. A suffering, one like never before or ever again for the outward Jew who is still looking for the first appearance . Having denied the father and the. They are shown as antichrists.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Everyone dies in the end whether they have a tattoo or not. This is even if there was a literal mark that we are to be aware of.

The scripture informs us no sign is given .The last wonder used to look ahead was the sign of Jonas.It was fulfilled in the coming of the Son of man . An evil generation, natural unconverted man does seek after one. His assigned number is 666. The number of man a beast of the field create from the dust of the field.

Cain was a marked man. Killing his brother Abel as in out of sight out of mind religion of the atheists. This shows us he had no faith, as a unbeliever. He like Esau sold their first born birth rite seeing no value in the things of God not seen.

The literalist would make the buying and selling of food needed to maintain these bodies of death and not a reference to the gospel

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding

Sipsey · Oct 22, 2019

EliBeth said:

Abe‘s Books has it for $20.00. Logos software for $32.00. Amazon for $30.00

My reaction to copyright issue would be the ongoing thread that posts verse by verse of Scripture from copyrighted Bibles.

John146 · Oct 22, 2019

garee said:

The Amil position (no literal thousand years) works the best for reconciling the inspired and signified word of God.

We are in the tribulation period. The wrath of God death, is being revealed from heaven .A dying suffering creation. A suffering, one like never before or ever again for the outward Jew who is still looking for the first appearance . Having denied the father and the. They are shown as antichrists.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Everyone dies in the end whether they have a tattoo or not. This is even if there was a literal mark that we are to be aware of.

The scripture informs us no sign is given .The last wonder used to look ahead was the sign of Jonas.It was fulfilled in the coming of the Son of man . An evil generation, natural unconverted man does seek after one. His assigned number is 666. The number of man a beast of the field create from the dust of the field.

Cain was a marked man. Killing his brother Abel as in out of sight out of mind religion of the atheists. This shows us he had no faith, as a unbeliever. He like Esau sold their first born birth rite seeing no value in the things of God not seen.

The literalist would make the buying and selling of food needed to maintain these bodies of death and not a reference to the gospel

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding

The problem with not taking the Bible literally is you can make it say anything you want it to.

Sipsey · Oct 22, 2019

John146 said:

It should absolutely be taken literally, except where parable, metaphor or allusions are used. Understanding it is a translation and digging into the original languages and knowing its audience and placement in time and culture all help one to see its literal meanings; ahhhh- but that is just the beginning, it must be translated into ones life.

garee · Oct 22, 2019

John146 said:

I don't think I can make it say anything .Can you?

I think literalizing it takes away the unseen understanding. . . giving it over to those who walk by sight, after the temporal seen..

I think if it could mean whatever a person desires.. He would not loving command us that without parables Christ spoke not hiding the unseen spiritual understanding. I would rather think we should use the (20/20 ) prescription for rightly dividing parables. . the kind of signified teaching master we would seek after.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are "temporal"; but the things which are not seen are "eternal".

garee · Oct 22, 2019

Sipsey said:

Time and culture as oral traditions of men are not tools used to rightly dividng the parables. . . which without Christ in the last days spoke not. . His life was used as a parable to represent the unseen work of the Son of man Jesus and the father. .

The whole period of Kings in Israel (an abomination of desolation) is used as the signified understanding of a parable for the time then present. .

The reformation has come. The signified language spoken of in Revelation 1.. setting the standard for that book is used throughout the scriptures.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.Hebrew 9:8-10

Using the signified understating according to the prescription found below we can seek out the unseen eternal understanding of that parable.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

According to Romans 1 we can as a privilege seek out the unseen understanding when using the loving 20/20 prescription above . .

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (the temporal), even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they (the literalists that walk by sight ) are without excuse: Romans1:20

Sipsey · Oct 22, 2019

garee said:

Time and culture as oral traditions of men are not tools used to rightly dividng the parables. . . which without Christ in the last days spoke not. . His life was used as a parable to represent the unseen work of the Son of man Jesus and the father. .

The whole period of Kings in Israel (an abomination of desolation) is used as the signified understanding of a parable for the time then present. .

The reformation has come. The signified language spoken of in Revelation 1.. setting the standard for that book is used throughout the scriptures.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.Hebrew 9:8-10

Using the signified understating according to the prescription found below we can seek out the unseen eternal understanding of that parable.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

According to Romans 1 we can as a privilege seek out the unseen understanding when using the loving 20/20 prescription above . .

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (the temporal), even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they (the literalists that walk by sight ) are without excuse: Romans1:20

If that’s the case Garee, there would be no command to “study,” would there? The Holy Spirit makes known the words that one has hidden in their heart.

Blik · Oct 22, 2019

John146 said:

Actually, God is so far above us that we miss His points if we take the bible on any one level. It is written simultaneously on many levels, even on a level of hinting at much deeper meanings.

Blik · Oct 22, 2019

garee said:

Over the years scholars have seen Paul and James opposed to each other. Luther was so sure of that he felt James should not be included in scripture. But the are not opposed, both are scripture, both are truth. Paul shows us that God is so holy, so to above us and so perfect that we can never hope to come close to that for we are born in sin. Paul tells us we need Christ, for it is only through Christ we can be saved, and God wants us saved and with Him. James shows us we are created by God, the God creates all things and we belong to God. If we accept God within us, if our thoughts are close to God, then our whole being will reflect that. Sin separates us from God. We need to know both truths.

garee · Oct 23, 2019

Blik said:

I would agree God is the author moving both to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness. Why they would appose one to another is the mystery that one must search out and find.

garee · Oct 23, 2019

Sipsey said:

Not sure how what I offered would make the commandment to study the scriptures in order to seek His underderstanding without effect? Are saying the study must go beyond what is written?(sola scriptura) And otherwise we do not have all that needs to be studied.

Sipsey · Oct 23, 2019

garee said:

Are you saying that the word study simply means to read and memorize?

Reggie_violin · Oct 23, 2019

lightbearer said:

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(Jas 1:18 KJV)

We are begotten through the word of truth.Behold old things are passed away all things are new and of GOD

Now Watch how James builds on that.

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the (begotten) engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the (engrafted) word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
(Jas 1:21-22 KJV)

Begotten,receiving with meekness the engrafted word. So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the engrafted Word) down from above

Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the engrafted Word) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

For if any be a hearer of the (engrafted) word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face (the new man in Christ, the firstfruits of his creatures) in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty (the engrafted word, begotten, first fruit of HIS creatures) , and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work (that is now part of him), this man shall be blessed in his deed.
(Jas 1:23-25 KJV)
We went from obeying to being. Behold all things are new and of God. By HIS stripes we have been healed. The Commandments are no longer thou shalt not. Now through Christ, through the Gospel they are thou will not. For it is HE that works in us both to will do HIS good pleasure. Not an outward observance but an inward adherance, following the change that HE has imparted to us through Christ.

So when He speaks of the Perfect Law of Liberty in chapter two verse twelve it must be understood in context to what is shared in chapter one

Interesting Lightbearer. From obeying to being; thou shalt not to thou will not; outward observance to inward adherance (I like that word) I think that is really good insight from the James and Romans passages.

garee · Oct 23, 2019

Sipsey said:

Thanks for the reply.

I think it means we as new creatures can seek the approval of our unseen teacher. According to His loving commandment. Without him we can do nothing.

He whose name is Jealous will not share he glory with the flesh. Not only does he teach us while he comforts us. But also is accredited to as the one who bring His spiritual things he has taught us to our remembrance.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

He even reminds us others who have shared their blessings. The older you get them more a person need a back up spiritual drive.

Philippians 1:3 I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,

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