Is God A Moral Monster?
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The thing I find most strange is someone pointing out a characteristic of God and attempting to say that it is wrong because people are offended by it.
If God hates it then so should we. If God loves it then so should we.
Even if we don't understand. And if that's a problem, then study and find out why.
If God hates it then so should we. If God loves it then so should we.
Even if we don't understand. And if that's a problem, then study and find out why.
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God is the same yesterday, today and forever, but that does not mean they followed the Word who created the heavens and the earth, in fact Jesus told them they did not know the Father. Worse still they killed the promised one. Coming to the present day, people who only believe Jesus was a prophet like Moses, without believing He was the Messiah, falsely call themselves Christians, while all the time practising Judaism, never having communion, celebrating Easter, or remembering His birth, but using Him as a scapegoat, while at the time preaching the Jewish sabbath.
No the god of the Old Testament is not the God of the New Testament. Saul/Paul is a witness to that.
No the god of the Old Testament is not the God of the New Testament. Saul/Paul is a witness to that.
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Hi Roughsoul,
I take your point about the word love having a range of flavours , as it were. Obviously the greek had more words for different sorts of love. The Agape love of God has a specific meaning.....the unconditional love of God that seeks the best for everyone. It is the twisting of murders and rape and sexual slavery into a definition of love that I object to. As this empties the word of any connection to the experience, common sense tells us is loving.
The bible is trustworthy as a guide in our relationship with God and man, but it is the living relationship with the living Word that is primary. To me, while the bible is inspired ( not infallible, in fact does it even claim to be inerrant and infallible?......just curious), the Word of God is the wisdom that we receive from our contemplation of the written word, not the words themselves. They need spiritual discernment. Because I see it as a guide and not absolute it frees me to question.
I take your point about the word love having a range of flavours , as it were. Obviously the greek had more words for different sorts of love. The Agape love of God has a specific meaning.....the unconditional love of God that seeks the best for everyone. It is the twisting of murders and rape and sexual slavery into a definition of love that I object to. As this empties the word of any connection to the experience, common sense tells us is loving.
The bible is trustworthy as a guide in our relationship with God and man, but it is the living relationship with the living Word that is primary. To me, while the bible is inspired ( not infallible, in fact does it even claim to be inerrant and infallible?......just curious), the Word of God is the wisdom that we receive from our contemplation of the written word, not the words themselves. They need spiritual discernment. Because I see it as a guide and not absolute it frees me to question.
Who said these 3 was love? God takes life every day. Kinda part of his M.O.
Where does God say rape is love?
And as for sexual slavery if you are referring to the scripture in the OP that isn't slavery or forced sexual abuse.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2 Peter 1:19-21
19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Psalm 19:7
7 The law of the Lord is perfect,
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple;
Jesus and his disciples used the phrase “it is written” more than ninety times. It is usually in the perfect tense, meaning, “it was written in the past and it still stands as the written Word of God.”
Matthew 4:1-4
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”
Jesus never once said by the way your scrolls are wrong and corrupted. He taught from the OT as accurate and truth.
Revelation 1:8
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
God is the same from beginning to end.
We can question and doubt all day but the word is not meant to be twisted or ignored verses we dont like.
Where does God say rape is love?
And as for sexual slavery if you are referring to the scripture in the OP that isn't slavery or forced sexual abuse.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2 Peter 1:19-21
19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Psalm 19:7
7 The law of the Lord is perfect,
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple;
Jesus and his disciples used the phrase “it is written” more than ninety times. It is usually in the perfect tense, meaning, “it was written in the past and it still stands as the written Word of God.”
Matthew 4:1-4
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”
Jesus never once said by the way your scrolls are wrong and corrupted. He taught from the OT as accurate and truth.
Revelation 1:8
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
God is the same from beginning to end.
We can question and doubt all day but the word is not meant to be twisted or ignored verses we dont like.
God is the same forever. True. Gods commands are written down. We know what was commanded of God and what was rebelled against or ignored. Scripture is clear of this.
If you do not believe the scriptures then that is on you to work out in faith and understanding. When Jesus said they didn't know the Father was not what you are implying. They had the correct scrolls but chose to abuse the teachings for selfish reasons. All he meant was they was good actors but wasn't truly following the God in their scrolls or what we call the OT.
This is a false teaching and I would advise to be very careful with the theology I am sure you are about to lobby for.
If you do not believe the scriptures then that is on you to work out in faith and understanding. When Jesus said they didn't know the Father was not what you are implying. They had the correct scrolls but chose to abuse the teachings for selfish reasons. All he meant was they was good actors but wasn't truly following the God in their scrolls or what we call the OT.
This is a false teaching and I would advise to be very careful with the theology I am sure you are about to lobby for.
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