Jesus broke the law

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maverich

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Okay bishop
Tell me what part is wrong, what part is blasphemy. Or is it your one that Jesus spoke of as being blind
You seek to tear me down tell me what isn't true
 
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maverich

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pottersclay said:
Breaking religious traditions is not breaking the law. The law had been and is misinterpreted by the rabbis. Jesus said on the sermon of the mount, "you heard it said but I say" showing that the teaching of the law was at that time incorrect. He was not changing the law but correcting it.
If Jesus the Christ had broken the law God could not except the sacrifice no matter who it was. He would of not risen and we would not have any hope.
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The sabbath was in the 10 commandments.
Isn't that how you judge people. Call them sinnerd
 
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pottersclay

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maverich said:
The sabbath was in the 10 commandments.
Isn't that how you judge people. Call them sinnerd
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First of all we are not to judge...... second Jesus is the Sabbath ....let's go from there
 
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maverich

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pottersclay said:
First of all we are not to judge...... second Jesus is the Sabbath ....let's go from there
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Interesting you say we are not to judge, but you judge me and many others
On the subject of the sabbath it is one of the commandments and Jesus did break it. No matter how you spin it he broke the law as handed down by God
 
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pottersclay

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maverich said:
Interesting you say we are not to judge, but you judge me and many others
On the subject of the sabbath it is one of the commandments and Jesus did break it. No matter how you spin it he broke the law as handed down by God
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Have not judged you or anyone else here, Jesus never broke the law......good day
 
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maverich said:
Interesting you say we are not to judge, but you judge me and many others
On the subject of the sabbath it is one of the commandments and Jesus did break it. No matter how you spin it he broke the law as handed down by God
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As @pottersclay already alluded to...

What precisely do you do with this verse?

"For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day"
Matthew 12:8.

I would recommend reading at verse 1. I actually learned something by doing so in regards to Priestly work on those days. I hadn't ever really thought about it until now. Makes sense, and there are certain conclusions to be drawn from the Royal priesthood if you have the inclination and what that entails... As to why you are saying he broke the sabbath. According to whom? The sabbath is more than just one sentence, there's a lot to it.


I would suggest thinking a bit on the healing itself...

Possibly there is a scripture. If so I am unaware...where is healing described as work?
 
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maverich said:
Okay bishop
Tell me what part is wrong, what part is blasphemy. Or is it your one that Jesus spoke of as being blind
You seek to tear me down tell me what isn't true
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Hi maverick it sounds as if you are really confused.

Maybe this will help.

Imagine if you committed murder and were given the death sentence,
But someone came along who never murdered anybody and sat in your place
in the electric chair.

That’s what Jesus did for you.

Adam and Eve were sinless, until the fall and as a result of what they did,
the whole of mankind inherits a fallen nature, not one single person is sinless.

The law was given for various reasons
to protect people,
to give then a sense of how bad sin is - so bad it requires a blood sacrifice, a substitution
to ensure people were not wiped out before Gods plan could be fulfilled and so a remnant always survived.

There are a lot of laws in the bible, practical, physical, for protection and also ceremonial laws
all for a specific purpose. But have you noticed that they were not given until the book of Exodus!
They were given to show people how bad sin is and that there are consequences.

However Jesus is God, He was and is sinless, He is light, health, healing love etc.
So leprosy and all illnesses are part of this fallen world. But because Jesus is God the
son and sinless. When he touched a leper, instead of Him being contaminated by sin,
sin fled and the person was healed.

It’s like if you have a dark place and light a candle, darkness flees. Darkness cannot
Stand before light. Sin cannot stand before a Holy sinless God.

Jesus fulfilled the law, because the law of sin and death required a penalty a sacrifice.
Jesus was that sacrifice and so he fulfilled the requirement of the law.

Law demanded a penalty and Jesus paid for it.


Romans 8:1-4 NLT
[1] So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. [2] And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death. [3] The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin's control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. [4] He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit.
 
posthuman

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maverich said:
Are you saying Jesus never broke the law.
The cross doesnt happen unless he breaks the law.
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He was crucified on the charge of blasphemy for making Himself equal to God.
The charge is only true, and He broke the law, only if He is not God.
If He is God then the charge of blasphemy is false, and He did not sin.
 
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maverich

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posthuman said:
He was crucified on the charge of blasphemy for making Himself equal to God.
The charge is only true, and He broke the law, only if He is not God.
If He is God then the charge of blasphemy is false, and He did not sin.
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There in is the controversy, was Jesus god while on earth or was he an anointed man
If in fact he was God then he did no miracles (God doesn't do miracles he just does)
Also if he was God then the cross makes no sense, only a man could actually suffer as Jesus did.
He never said my Jesus my jesus why have you forsaken me.
Nor would he have committed his spirit to his father
Only as man does the cross make sense, therefore as fully man he was subject to all mans laws.
If you are a son of the most high God, spirit filled, anointed as Jesus was, then you like him in all ways.
Scripture says as he is so are we in this world
 
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Locoponydirtman

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By being the sacrificial lamb. His sacrifice pays all for all, anyone who believes. So now there is no other sacrifice, so now he is our righteousness he is our Sabbath rest, he is our Redeemer. Because of his once and for all sacrifice his atoning blood.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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maverich said:
Are you saying Jesus never broke the law.
The cross doesnt happen unless he breaks the law.
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Are you saying that wicked men are more righteous than God?
Because what this statement sounds like is that you are saying that men righteously judged God and found him guilty and therefore crucified him righteously.
I hope that that's not what you are saying.
Because Jesus, Christ is the spotless perfect lamb which means there is no flaw in him.
 
ilkinengin76

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maverich said:
Are you saying Jesus never broke the law.
The cross doesnt happen unless he breaks the law.
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If Jesus broke the law, then we are all damned to hell? Dont listen to heretical teachings. steven furtick said Jesus broke the law for love. No Jesus kept all the law, for only he as God can.
 
Lightskin

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maverich said:
Okay first I am still impressed with how this chatroom is more about tearing Down than building up.
Christ if you pray to christ you are praying to his gift not to him
The christ in us is the hope of glory. Feels like I'm teaching Sunday school
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Did Jesus break the law
Yes 7 times he healed on the sabbath. Keep the sabbath holy, do no work on the sabbath. He healed the man with the withered hand, in front of the pharisees.
He touched a leper ceremonially unclean
He announced he was the son of God think that law 2
Do you really think he went before caiphas and the sanhedrin because because his name was Jesus.
He went because he made a mockery of the religious traditions
Kinda what I'm doing
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It is not unlawful to do good on the Sabbath. Healing and saving lives on the Sabbath is perfectly acceptable within the confines of the law.

On another note. I pray directly to Jesus. I speak directly with Jesus.

PS: Ridiculous title.
 
posthuman

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maverich said:
There in is the controversy, was Jesus god while on earth or was he an anointed man
If in fact he was God then he did no miracles (God doesn't do miracles he just does)
Also if he was God then the cross makes no sense, only a man could actually suffer as Jesus did.
He never said my Jesus my jesus why have you forsaken me.
Nor would he have committed his spirit to his father
Only as man does the cross make sense, therefore as fully man he was subject to all mans laws.
If you are a son of the most high God, spirit filled, anointed as Jesus was, then you like him in all ways.
Scripture says as he is so are we in this world
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If Christ is not God there is no salvation.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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maverich said:
Okay first I am still impressed with how this chatroom is more about tearing Down than building up.
Christ if you pray to christ you are praying to his gift not to him
The christ in us is the hope of glory. Feels like I'm teaching Sunday school
Number 2
Did Jesus break the law
Yes 7 times he healed on the sabbath. Keep the sabbath holy, do no work on the sabbath. He healed the man with the withered hand, in front of the pharisees.
He touched a leper ceremonially unclean
He announced he was the son of God think that law 2
Do you really think he went before caiphas and the sanhedrin because because his name was Jesus.
He went because he made a mockery of the religious traditions
Kinda what I'm doing
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Bad doctrine has to be torn down in order to replace it with good doctrine.

It was never a violation of the Sabbath to do acts of Mercy, and Jesus explain to that when he did those miracles on the Sabbath. That was man made bad doctrine, as he also explained.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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maverich said:
There in is the controversy, was Jesus god while on earth or was he an anointed man
If in fact he was God then he did no miracles (God doesn't do miracles he just does)
Also if he was God then the cross makes no sense, only a man could actually suffer as Jesus did.
He never said my Jesus my jesus why have you forsaken me.
Nor would he have committed his spirit to his father
Only as man does the cross make sense, therefore as fully man he was subject to all mans laws.
If you are a son of the most high God, spirit filled, anointed as Jesus was, then you like him in all ways.
Scripture says as he is so are we in this world
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1‭-‬3‭, ‬14 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.1.1-14.NASB
Simple enough, spelled out in black and white.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
The cross dose not happen if he broke the Law.
Only an unblemished, perfect sacrifice is acceptable to the Father.
Your understanding of Scripture is lacking.
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This thread proves numerous truths.....One being-->> that the thief on the cross knew more than the one who made the thread.....

We get what we deserve, but this man has done NOTHING AMISS.....

Jesus never broke the law and to say that he did---->I have to call bs on that one!!
 
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pottersclay

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To get technical Jesus did not live under the grace of God but he lived by the letter of the law. No one in history could do such a thing.
Jesus never asked for forgiveness for himself nor did he repent for anything.
He offered himself up for us not for him. By doing so he obtained grace for us for we all were dead in our trespasses and sin.
By grace we are saved through faith which is not of ourselves but a gift from God.
Jesus being that gift from God that whomever believes shall not parish but have everlasting life.
For while we were yet sinners he died for us.
The law has served its purpose for it is perfect and holy and proved that no one could escape it's death grip on all humanity save one Jesus. Who being perfect and holy in every way satisfied the law for us that we may become the children of God.
 
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