Not By Works

[UnderGrace]

Honestly, I have no more time to spend teaching you folk in this thread. I have other Bible Studies to prepare for, and a couple meetings this weekend with fervent saints. There have been seeds of Truth sown, and a few have had their understanding confirmed by the things I've shared. (And I have gained a little material for the book I"m writing! )

regarding mr controversial... he likes being just that. And his attitude and language are very unChristlike. I was like him last Century when I was much younger, so I can relate. But unlike him, I "put away childish things" as Paul stated. And now I really have no time for stubborn, rebellious children.
He and mr ed, and a couple other "bullies" on this site, who have no interest in discussing the Scripture as mature adults, have shown who they really are "by their fruits"; and as Jesus told us, "shake the dust from your feet." and "don't cast your pearls before swine."

Peace & Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus.

My time in this ridiculous thread is over.

Well I am not surprised, you have no response then, we have consistently exposed your false doctrine, as we are called to do and now your only option is to bail.

I feel so dismayed for your adherents/followers, you have no idea how much I grieve for them ... I know the bondage you have put them under.

I hope they find out before it is too late!!

 

[UnderGrace]

Honestly, I have no more time to spend teaching you folk in this thread. I have other Bible Studies to prepare for, and a couple meetings this weekend with fervent saints. There have been seeds of Truth sown, and a few have had their understanding confirmed by the things I've shared. (And I have gained a little material for the book I"m writing! )

regarding mr controversial... he likes being just that. And his attitude and language are very unChristlike. I was like him last Century when I was much younger, so I can relate. But unlike him, I "put away childish things" as Paul stated. And now I really have no time for stubborn, rebellious children.
He and mr ed, and a couple other "bullies" on this site, who have no interest in discussing the Scripture as mature adults, have shown who they really are "by their fruits"; and as Jesus told us, "shake the dust from your feet." and "don't cast your pearls before swine."

Peace & Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus.

My time in this ridiculous thread is over.

And what is there to discuss when you do not have the Gospel, the simple Gospel right.

We discuss many topics among ourselves and we also disagree on some, but at least we know we have the Gospel right

 

[fredoheaven]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOH LOOOOOOOOOK, You are wrong; you do have to persevere.

Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with his sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct?

Seems, shows your lakcing understanding...

1 Thessalonians 5:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

God sustains us by giving us the grace to persevere until the end.

Nope, God does the work.

Philippians 2:13
for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

 

[JadenS]

Nope, God does the work.

Philippians 2:13
for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

God is working in those of use who are cooperating with His grace towards final perseverance.

 

[fredoheaven]

But yet, YOU somehow have understanding?
Because you read a couple commentaries? Interesting....

You see how you just negated your own stance and limited understanding of Biblical Repentance as Jesus, the Apostles and I teach.

Indeed. I AM correct, sir. Any True Biblical scholar will confirm this.
I pay zero attention to the 'motivational speakers' behind the pulpits today who falsely teach a 'repentance" that neglects the True meaning an actual turning away from sin. Such have done great harm to the churches, leaving their congregants still in their sin, believing they are OK in God's eyes. These man-ordained 'ministers' will be held doubly accountable in that Day.

May the Lord remove the scales from your eyes and grant you True understanding of His Word.

I am not paying to motivational speakers. I just used:

1 Corinthians 2:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Of course, you are just leaning to your own understanding and mortal men.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 

[VCO]

We persevere in the New Testament, we are not under the Old Testament law; I don't know why you think you are.

NEW TESTAMENT!

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. [And if you are an American, that is PRESIDENT Donald Trump.]


YOUR RELIGION SEEMS TO BE THE MOST FLAWED WE HAVE SEE HERE IN A VERY LONG TIME. IT IS WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

MOST OF US HERE ARE CONSERVATIVE EVANGELICALS who believe in OSAS, AND ARE TOTALLY OPPOSITE OF YOUR RELIGION. And you may be surprised to here, we do not want you hear your opinion on anything. It appears you follow a FALSE PROPHET with your FALSE GOSPEL, and are self DECEIVED.

 

[posthuman]

If you truly believe Jesus until the end, you will persevere

obviously
since persevering is persevering in faith. the work God requires is to believe the One He sent.

 

[fredoheaven]

Honestly, I have no more time to spend teaching you folk in this thread. I have other Bible Studies to prepare for, and a couple meetings this weekend with fervent saints. There have been seeds of Truth sown, and a few have had their understanding confirmed by the things I've shared. (And I have gained a little material for the book I"m writing! )

regarding mr controversial... he likes being just that. And his attitude and language are very unChristlike. I was like him last Century when I was much younger, so I can relate. But unlike him, I "put away childish things" as Paul stated. And now I really have no time for stubborn, rebellious children.
He and mr ed, and a couple other "bullies" on this site, who have no interest in discussing the Scripture as mature adults, have shown who they really are "by their fruits"; and as Jesus told us, "shake the dust from your feet." and "don't cast your pearls before swine."

Peace & Blessings to all who truly walk with Jesus.

My time in this ridiculous thread is over.

Umm, you've been challenged about your belief system and they have shown you about the Bible really is yet you don't change your mind. We cannot do otherwise...bye for the meantime.

 

[fredoheaven]

obviously
since persevering is persevering in faith. the work God requires is to believe the One He sent.

I think we are preserved to persevere not persevere to be preserved.

 

[posthuman]

I think we are preserved to persevere not persevere to be preserved.

yes

saved unto good works not worked unto salvation.
those He called He also justified - it isn't, those who could justify themselves, He also called.
grace is received, not achieved. He that began the work will finish it -- when we say, 'no longer i who lives but Christ in me' -- brother, it ain't me that's persevering; it's the indomitable lamp He lit.

Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent.
(Revelation 3:3)
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what did they hear? the gospel of the crucified and risen Lamb that takes away sin. 'remember' is non-physical. the ones in vv. 4-5 who are counted worthy and who overcome are those who have not forgotten - who do not need to repent of their lack of remembrance. this is not a physical property, but something the mind and the heart - which has its own neural architecture and also senses, learns, remembers or forgets - something the mind and the heart do. how do we 'keep' a thing that is to be remembered? may our hands and feet describe it, that our flesh be in subjection to our spirit, which has been taught the Truth

 

[posthuman]

Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with his sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct?

that's interesting; what's that look like in practice? remain a son?

a certain man managed to remain a son in his father's eyes even while squandering his inheritance before its proper time and knee-deep in pig slop & filth. he didn't even consider himself worthy to be a son, yet to his father, he persevered as one. but this certain mans brother, did he persevere?

 

[posthuman]

Even if you don't persevere to the end and you end up in hell for all eternity.

that's ridiculous.
how can you fail to persevere in faith if your faith never wavers?
you're telling lightskin he can end up in hell even while completely trusting in his Savior. that makes the Savior not great at saving.

 

[posthuman]

God is working in those of use who are cooperating with His grace towards final perseverance.

isn't God working in the uncooperative too? what else do you think 'chastising His sons' means?
His patience leads to repentance in those who belong to Him, and damns those who do not.

 

[JadenS]

that's ridiculous.
how can you fail to persevere in faith if your faith never wavers?
you're telling lightskin he can end up in hell even while completely trusting in his Savior. that makes the Savior not great at saving.

A person has to believe Jesus 100% to persevere unto the end.

 

[JadenS]

isn't God working in the uncooperative too? what else do you think 'chastising His sons' means?
His patience leads to repentance in those who belong to Him, and damns those who do not.

A person who is uncooperative to the end has not persevered.

 

[JadenS]

that's interesting; what's that look like in practice? remain a son?

a certain man managed to remain a son in his father's eyes even while squandering his inheritance before its proper time and knee-deep in pig slop & filth. he didn't even consider himself worthy to be a son, yet to his father, he persevered as one. but this certain mans brother, did he persevere?

The fathers son wasn't saved until the end after he accepted the grace of final perseverance.

 

[JadenS]

I think we are preserved to persevere not persevere to be preserved.

But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

 

[JadenS]

obviously
since persevering is persevering in faith. the work God requires is to believe the One He sent.

We all continue to persevere by also choosing to be obedient. Those who do not persevere unto the end were following their own will instead of God's will and they chose only to believe Jesus Divine Revelations to man if they wanted to.

 

[dcontroversal]

It's sad that so many here don't know what salvation is. OR how to get it. Or WHEN they get it..

Amen Blue......and as obstinate against the truth as they come!!