Not By Works

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IFOLLOWHIM

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Ep.2:8-10-For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH: and that NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
Not of works,lest any man should boast.
For we are HIS WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus INTO GOOD WORK which God hath before ordained THAT WE SHOULD.... "WALK"... in them.

Salvation is our starting point in this race,we must finish the course,but it is nothing we can "earn"!

We must however not sit idle,but be about the Fathers business,as Jesus was!
Bearing fruit,showing the world a better way through love by actions as Jesus did and commanded us to do through obedience of His word!
 
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UnderGrace

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IFOLLOWHIM said:
Salvation is our starting point in this race,we must finish the course,but it is nothing we can "earn"!
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Actually NO,

Salvation is the end point of salvation........ and after salvation we have discipleship, fellowship and our walk as saved adopted sons and daughters.
 
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IFOLLOWHIM

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UnderGrace said:
Actually NO,

Salvation is the end point of salvation........ and after salvation we have discipleship, fellowship and our walk as saved adopted sons and daughters.
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Actually NO!
It is ONLY finished IF we endure to the end,through fellowship,discipleship, walk,ect.ect!
 
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UnderGrace

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IFOLLOWHIM said:
Actually NO!
It is ONLY finished IF we endure to the end,through fellowship,discipleship, walk,ect.ect!
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You must be reading the scripture with may pages missing then too bad for you!

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
“Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ” (Galatians 4:3–7).

Salvation is a gift and it cannot be earned or worked for in any way, because all glory belongs to God.

You have nothing, not one thing to add to the gift.
 
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JadenS

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THEN GIVE HIM THE GLORY and NOT YOURSELF.

You come in here puffed up with Pride, Because YOU persevere, patting yourself on the back.

Your assessment of the meaning of that word IS WRONG:

CHRISTIANS will produce different amounts of good works, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION, which is a DONE DEAL by JESUS HIMSELF.

Matthew 13:8-9 (HCSB)
8 Still others fell on good ground and produced a crop: some 100, some 60, and some 30 times ⌊what was sown⌋.
9 Anyone who has ears should listen!”


You have a lot to learn, Grasshopper.
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It is called final perseverance.
 
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JadenS

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BillG said:
Therefore not saved before the begining of time..

As you correctly say, never really born again.

Therefore salvation has not been lost because they never had it, if they never had it the reason is because they have not placed their faith in Jesus for forgiveness of sins.
The sins that separates us from God.
Why the temple curtain was torn in two.

As a result of faith and having been saved from the beginning of time we will persevere. It's faith that we have chosen and as a result we will persevere.

So if God has chosen us before the begining of time it is him who keeps us and not ourselves.

So finally can we lose our salvation our born again status?

If so then your two posts above contradict.

You are either born again or not. Because as you say "Saved before the begining of time"
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Those who persevered until the end were saved before the beginning of time; they cooperated with the grace of final perseverance.
 
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IFOLLOWHIM

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UnderGrace said:
You must be reading the scripture with may pages missing then too bad for you!

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
“Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ” (Galatians 4:3–7).

Salvation is a gift and it cannot be earned or worked for in any way, because all glory belongs to God.

You have nothing, not one thing to add to the gift.
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Nope,all my pages are intact in my KJV. I just rightly divide the word of God under the leadership of the Holy Spirit and I DON'T believe I OSAS!
 
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IFOLLOWHIM said:
Actually NO!
It is ONLY finished IF we endure to the end,through fellowship,discipleship, walk,ect.ect!
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well then no one is really saved. we just have to wait and see in your view.
the bible teaches we can know that we have eternal life
 
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JadenS

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Lightskin said:
Wrong. Grace is undeserved. When you work for something you’ve earned it. You cannot earn salvation. With that I am washing my hands of you and your works nonsense.
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How do you think not persevering until the end is going to work out for you?
 
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JadenS

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Melach said:
well then no one is really saved. we just have to wait and see in your view.
the bible teaches we can know that we have eternal life
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O wicked presumption, whence camest thou to cover the earth with thy malice, and deceitfulness?
 
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IFOLLOWHIM

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Melach said:
well then no one is really saved. we just have to wait and see in your view.
the bible teaches we can know that we have eternal life
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those are NOT my words but Jesus's Mt. 24:13
 
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IFOLLOWHIM said:
those are NOT my words but Jesus's Mt. 24:13
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lol. didnt even respond to what i said.

you and your boyfriend(honestly i believe you are same person, you and jaden) have quoted those verses many times already. i am saying that matthew 24:13 is talking about the tribulation period on earth. look at the context.
 
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Melach said:
lol. didnt even respond to what i said.

you and your boyfriend(honestly i believe you are same person) have quoted those verses many times already. i am saying that matthew 24:13 is talking about the tribulation period on earth. look at the context.
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Boyfriend??
 
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BillG said:
Boyfriend??
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just a friendly joke, i could have used a more offensive word. i know these two are probably same person so i said it. ifollowhim and jaden are parroting same lines flooding the thread spamming this same thing over and over.
 
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