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[PennEd]

Garee, you keep saying that the flesh profits "nothing".

Yet Scripture tells us that without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins (Hebrews 9:22). If the crucified flesh of Jesus "profits nothing", then His blood profits nothing either, and we are still in our sins.

Matthew 26:28 "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

Colossians 1:19-20 "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."

Hebrews 10:10 "And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

Hebrews 10:19 "Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus"

Please, for the sake of your eternal soul, repent of your foolish heresy and your stubbornness, and humbly submit to sound instruction.

Awesome points here!

Unfortunately Garee cannot get away from seeing EVERYTHING metaphorically. So the fact that you have posted something that cannot be refuted in any rational way, will be turned into a retort that is nonsensical to 100% of rational people.

He has unequivocally been shown that Jesus Christ was in fact worshiped in His flesh, while on earth, BEFORE his resurrection, only to retort with this irrational statement:

"Again I said no one bowed to down and worshiped him according to, in respect of what the eyes see . Flesh. 1+1 =1. Two attributes One God who is eternal Spirit and not a man as us. . . . a corrupted spirit.."

So I have banged my against a wall enough with him for awhile.

 

[garee]

Garee, you keep saying that the flesh profits "nothing".

Yet Scripture tells us that without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins (Hebrews 9:22). If the crucified flesh of Jesus "profits nothing", then His blood profits nothing either, and we are still in our sins.

Matthew 26:28 "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

Colossians 1:19-20 "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."

Hebrews 10:10 "And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

Hebrews 10:19 "Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus"

Please, for the sake of your eternal soul, repent of your foolish heresy and your stubbornness, and humbly submit to sound instruction.

God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly infallible umpire (daysman) that stands between the things of men seen, the temporal, and God not seen, the eternal

Hebrews 10:19 "Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus"

The scriptures inform us the unseen spirit life is in the flesh But spirit is not literal dead flesh . Literal blood like in Hebrews 10 above can be used as a metaphor to represent the unseen Spirit but it never become the spirit. No such thing as holiness of the flesh .

Other than Catholic I know of none that claim they have the literal blood of Christ by which we could literally enter into fellow ship . It would take a ocean of blood. Without a parable Christ spoke not. Why literalize the gospel away?

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith "without" works is dead also.James2:26

Not a salvation issue. More how can we hear God's Spirit aright..

The man without the Spirit of Christ cannot discern the things of God. Not the man with flesh and blood .Natural man dead in his tresspases and sin (no faith) has both a corruptible body as well as a spirit. When they die their dead flesh returns to the dust and the their spirit returns to the father. They will not rise on the last day. Only those who have been given a new born again spirit will.

Psalm 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Please, for the sake of your eternal soul, repent of your foolish heresy in so much that God is a man and your stubbornness, and humbly submit to sound instruction.

 

[garee]

Awesome points here!

Unfortunately Garee cannot get away from seeing EVERYTHING metaphorically. So the fact that you have posted something that cannot be refuted in any rational way, will be turned into a retort that is nonsensical to 100% of rational people.

He has unequivocally been shown that Jesus Christ was in fact worshiped in His flesh, while on earth, BEFORE his resurrection, only to retort with this irrational statement:

"Again I said no one bowed to down and worshiped him according to, in respect of what the eyes see . Flesh. 1+1 =1. Two attributes One God who is eternal Spirit and not a man as us. . . . a corrupted spirit.."

So I have banged my against a wall enough with him for awhile.

LOL Still banging mine.

Not everything just those set aside as holy to give us the unseen spiritual understanding. (gospel, hid from literalizers. ) no faith.

The Son of man had the same kind of earthen body of death as do we. Same kind never ending spirit as a new creatures in him that he was moved by.. according to the father not seen.

2 Corinthians 4:7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

No one said he was not worshipped while in the temporal flesh by a few according to the unseen eternal Holy Spirit that dwelt in his earthen body of death . What I did say is we do not worship Him in respect to the temporal things seen "flesh and blood" rudiments of this world after the oral traditions of men and .Not a tradition of God (walk by faith). He remains without form.


Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (flesh and blood) of the world, and not after Christ.


Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,(flesh and blood) why, as though living in the world,(flesh and blood) are ye subject to ordinances,

 

[Dino246]

Please, for the sake of your eternal soul, repent of your foolish heresy in so much that God is a man and your stubbornness, and humbly submit to sound instruction.

Quote me where I claim that God is a man. Put up, or shut up.

 

[Dino246]

God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly infallible umpire (daysman) that stands between the things of men seen, the temporal, and God not seen, the eternal

You keep referring to Job's words. They are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Do you understand what the word, "irrelevant" means? Be honest.

The scriptures inform us the unseen spirit life is in the flesh But spirit is not literal dead flesh . Literal blood like in Hebrews 10 above can be used as a metaphor to represent the unseen Spirit but it never become the spirit.

It isn't a metaphor for the spirit; it means literal blood.

The Israelites slaughtered thousands of cows, sheep, and goats. Literal blood was shed so that their sins were covered. Jesus is the last sacrifice; His literal blood was shed. Metaphors can't save you.

Other than Catholic I know of none that claim they have the literal blood of Christ by which we could literally enter into fellow ship .

What the Catholics claim is completely irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see why you consider it necessary to refer to them. I don't claim to "have" the literal blood of Christ; I assert, with plenty of biblical backing, that the literal blood of Christ shed on the cross is what paid the price for my sin.

Without a parable Christ spoke not.

I have explained to you more than once that the six words you quote here are taken out of context and you have distorted their meaning. Why are you so resistant to correction?

Why literalize the gospel away?

You destroy the gospel by calling it metaphorical. Metaphorical blood can't save you.

 

[garee]

You keep referring to Job's words. They are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Do you understand what the word, "irrelevant" means? Be honest.

Hi thanks for the reply,

I honestly understand it is irrelevant to your opinion. But is relevant that we walk by faith the unseen eternal.

I would think we do not know God who is not a man as us by observing the flesh, the temporal what the eyes see. The flesh of Christ did not profit as payment for our sin .It provided a outward one time demonstration of the work of the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world it was not a after thought. He rested on the seventh day from all his work Again a demonstration of the unseen work .

. . .God does not accept dead sacrifices. It the reason literal blood without the spirit essence life must be poured out .Just as was the Son of man Jesus . Spirit life was given by the work of the father and son working tighter in prefect harmony and submissiveness to establish the government of peace. One work of faith, as a labor of love .One Spirit .

The flesh returns to the lifeless spiritless dust and the corrupted spirit if not born gain returns to the Father of all spirit life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When Jesus in respect to what the eyes see was accused of being the good master (daysman) .he refused to satn in the holy place of God as a abomination of desolation. Therefore taking away the faith principle in respect to the faith of our unseen God. he gave the glory to God unseen .

The word good is reserved for the glory of our unseen God.Not for what the eys see. It was his signature showing us the invisible approval . And God called the work of His faith good, six times . The last in respect to mankind very good as a finished work

Mark 10:17-19 King James Version (KJV) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

God is not a man as us. The son of man Jesus would never take on the role of a daysman (pope). There is none good but one, that is, God. . . not the things of men.

 

[Dino246]

I honestly understand it is irrelevant to your opinion. But is relevant that we walk by faith the unseen eternal.

Changing the subject completely doesn't make it relevant to the topic under discussion.

I would think we do not know God who is not a man as us by observing the flesh, the temporal what the eyes see. The flesh of Christ did not profit as payment for our sin .

You're ignoring the plain teaching of Scripture and promoting heresy.

. . .God does not accept dead sacrifices. It the reason literal blood without the spirit essence life must be poured out .

You really need to take a class in basic English. You try to discuss important spiritual matters and don't even have the skills to compose a clear sentence. You have no excuses. Get some help.

When Jesus in respect to what the eyes see was accused of being the good master (daysman) .he refused to satn in the holy place of God as a abomination of desolation. Therefore taking away the faith principle in respect to the faith of our unseen God. he gave the glory to God unseen .

More incoherence. Jesus DID NOT REFUSE. Your ignorance of basic grammar is seriously impeding your understanding of the Bible.

God is not a man as us. The son of man Jesus would never take on the role of a daysman (pope). There is none good but one, that is, God. . . not the things of men.

Job's use of "daysman" has nothing at all to do with Jesus. Your stubbornness on this matter is amazing.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You did not say his corrupted flesh that aged as in the wrath of God being reveled from heaven did not profit.

Jesus did not have "corrupted flesh". The Lord Jesus Christ was without blemish and without spot.

1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

without blemish =​

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299 ámōmos (an adjective, derived from 1 /A "not" and 3470/mṓmos, "blemish") – properly, unblemished, without spot or blot (blight); (figuratively) morally, spiritually blameless, unblemished from the marring effects of sin.​

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without spot =​

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784 áspilos (an adjective, derived from 1 /A "without" and 4696/spílos, "spot, blemish") – properly, unspotted (unstained); (figuratively) undefiled and hence fully acceptable.​

You are saying it did profit for more that a one time promised demonstration of the unseen work of the Holy Spirt of truth .

His one time offering profits all who come to Him. All who have lived from time of Adam and Eve to present day to future days.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What the eyes did not see 'called walking by faith, profited as payment of sin .

Again … just because I acknowledge as uncorrupt what you claim to be corrupt does not mean I do not walk by faith.

The proper 20/20 prescription for rightly dividing must be used. Can't serve two masters .The things of men seen, the temporal, and that not seen, the things of God the eternal

Just because I acknowledge that Jesus was without blemish and without spot (i.e. not corrupt in His flesh) does not mean I "serve two masters".

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You take this verse out of context and use it to imply that it relates to the Lord Jesus Christ.

This verse is speaking of the light afflictions we face in this life, which can appear to us to be huge obstacles and which, according to Scripture, last but for a moment even though, to us, the moment may last years. We are to view our light afflictions in light of eternity and know in our hearts that God is working in us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory:

2 Corinthians 4:

14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


Quit ripping this verse out of the context within which it sits in order to prop up a doctrine not contained in Scripture (i.e. that Jesus' flesh was corrupt).

Which master will a person serve? The things seen of men or the inviable things of God. Again no man can serve two masters

Go back and read where Jesus spoke about "no man can serve two masters".

The context has nothing to do with your assertion that Jesus' flesh was corrupt.

What you think must be aligned with Scripture and you have yet to provide one Scripture reference (chapter and verse) which indicates Jesus' flesh was corrupt.

God is not a man as us. He is the Spirit of truth not seen. I did not say His Spirit life profits for nothing as far as redemption. The flesh did not profit as payment of sin.

Since you believe this to be true, you have yet to be redeemed. Redemption of mankind was fulfilled by the Lord Jesus Christ at His first coming in the flesh. We await His coming again and look for that blessed hope:

Titus 2:13-14 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity …


Oh my, look at that … we are to look for "the glorious appearing" of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And not because we "walk by sight", but because we "walk by faith" and do as God instructs us in His Word.

Not only that, but the above verses tell us that Jesus Christ gave Himself that He might redeem us from all iniquity. Redeem means to liberate by payment of ransom.

And we know from 1 Peter 1:18-19 that we were redeemed by our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb without blemish and without spot.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

In the corrupted earthen body of death not in respect to. .The flesh he inherited from his mother.Salvation is not in respect to what the eyes see. But through the unseen Spirit. God is not a man as us.

God does not have flesh to offer. He offered the suffering of his soul and spirit, in jeopardy of His own Spirit Life. God is not a man as us with a corruptible body and spirit. He is eternal invisible Spirit .

Some have changed the hidden glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like the flesh of the corruptible son of man.

The Lord Jesus Christ is not "the corruptible son of man".

You just make stuff up and insinuate that what you believe is Scripturally sound. You provide no Scripture which states what you claim. The Scripture you do provide is taken completely out of context. Just because you want Scripture to say what you believe does not mean Scripture says what you believe.

We are to align our thoughts to Scripture … not conclude that just because we believe something sounds good that is what Scripture actually says.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.18-23

Are you now claiming that these verses relate in any way to your claim that the Lord Jesus Christ was "corrupt" … or that He was "an image made like the flesh of the corruptible son of man"?

These verses relate to men who "hold the truth in unrighteousness" ... those who suppress the truth. God's eternal power and Godhead is clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made.

Men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness do so because they become vain in their imaginations.

They profess themselves to be wise but in reality they are fools.

If anyone has changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, that would be you as it is you who continues to claim that there was any corruption in Jesus. You have even gone so far as to state "the flesh of the corruptible son of man".

The one time demonstration must of been in respect to sinful flesh typified as corrupted (what you see).

The Lord Jesus Christ had no "sinful flesh typified as corrupted".

Just because He could be seen does not mean He had "sinful flesh typified as corrupted". He was completely without blemish and without spot. Absolutely no corruption in Him.

He did not become a man as us.

You do not believe this. You claim He was like us. You have been shown that He did not partake fully:

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil


He only took part. He did not share fully. Read Scripture … learn what Scripture has to say about the Lord Jesus Christ … and for the sake of your soul, quit making stuff up.

2 Corinthians 4:7 King James Version (KJV) But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Not of the Son of man and his temporal earthen body of death.

Again, 2 Cor 4:7 speaks of us ... not the Lord Jesus Christ.

If your rendering of 2 Cor 4:7 was correct, the verse would read

But we have He had this treasure in His earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us Him.​

2 Cor 4:7 [garee version]​

Quit changing Scripture to fit your unScriptural dogma.

The one time demostration is over. Can you get over it or must you walk by sight after the temporal ?

You are an accuser of the brethren. Just because I do not agree with your denigration of the Lord Jesus Christ does not mean I "walk by sight after the temporal".

 

[garee]

Changing the subject completely doesn't make it relevant to the topic under discussion.

I am not changing the subject but rather clarifying by adding the infallible information . The flesh as to what the eyes sees profits for nothing nada. What the eyes see a corrupted body is not a payment for sin. We walk by the faith of God according to His unseen Spirit that lives in us just as it lived in the Son of man

You're ignoring the plain teaching of Scripture and promoting heresy.

You're ignoring the plain teaching of Scripture and promoting heresy.

You really need to take a class in basic English. You try to discuss important spiritual matters and don't even have the skills to compose a clear sentence. You have no excuses. Get some help.

My English could improve. I think you could understand and are avoiding answering . This is just like the tongues as a sign law as to what you think the sign confirms. I get silence or a lesson in English. You as it seems would rather walk by sight after what some call sign gifts as in who needs faith . (Charismatics.)The Bible does not teach idea of "sign gifts". The two words are never used to develop doctrine. Spiritual gift not seen ,yes.

You really need to address the fact God does not accept dead sacrifices. Its the reason literal blood without the spirit essence life must be poured out . The corrupted flesh returns to the lifeless, spiritless dust and the corrupted spirit if not born gain returns to the Father of all spirit life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

More incoherence. Jesus DID NOT REFUSE. Your ignorance of basic grammar is seriously impeding your understanding of the Bible.

Of course he did .He said God alone is good. .the flesh profits for nothing nada.

Job's use of "daysman" has nothing at all to do with Jesus. Your stubbornness on this matter is amazing.

It has every thing to do with corrupted flesh of Jesus the Son of man . God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly master that stand between God and man as a infallible interpreter . Only one is good not seen, God. The flesh as to what the eyes see profits for nothing. He would never stand in the good invisible place of the glory of God . as a abomination of desolation.

Why glory in the flesh .The things seen? Where in the scriptures do you find that kind of interpreting prescription for rightly dividing the word of God.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The corrupted flesh returns to the lifeless, spiritless dust and the corrupted spirit if not born gain returns to the Father of all spirit life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

You are absolutely wrong. Jesus' flesh did not see corruption:

Acts 2:

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

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29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Job's use of "daysman" has nothing at all to do with Jesus. Your stubbornness on this matter is amazing.

It has every thing to do with corrupted flesh of Jesus the Son of man . God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly master that stand between God and man as a infallible interpreter .

You to continue to infer that Job referred to the Lord Jesus Christ as the daysman after it has been explained to you that there is no "daysman" between Job and God.

There is no "daysman" because a daysman is a judge, an arbiter, between two.

Now you're telling us that the Lord Jesus Christ, Who always did the will of the Father is going to stand in judgment of the very One Whose will He always did???

Job knew there was no one who could judge between him and God because there is no one who stands to judge God.

Job's dilemma was that there was no judge. Job would not stand in judgment of God, nor did Job believe there was anyone who could judge God. And Job was absolutely correct in his belief.

Job's "daysman" (Job 9:33) is not the same as our Mediator ... the Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Tim 2:5)

 

[garee]

Again, 2 Cor 4:7 speaks of us ... not the Lord Jesus Christ.

If your rendering of 2 Cor 4:7 was correct, the verse would read

But we have He had this treasure in His earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us Him.
2 Cor 4:7 [garee version]


Quit changing Scripture to fit your unScriptural dogma.

You are eliminating the Son of man, Jesus from the verse .

The reference was the Son of man, Jesus like us had the power to believe within .But not in reckoned after his corrupted body . No power in respect to what the eyes see. .

learn what it means to walk in respect to the faith of God, the one faith of Christ .

 

[garee]

You are absolutely wrong. Jesus' flesh did not see corruption:

Acts 2:

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

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29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

I can se you are still trying to make his flesh, (literal form what the eyes see. ) as a body of death . He inherited form his mother which he says profits for nothing. You are turning it into profiting for everything as a literalist .

He said the unseen work of His Eternal Spirit is that which did provide the power by which a person could belive God not seen (faith) .
Not reckoned from his birth (flesh) no power.

No such thing as holiness of the corrupted flesh . It would seem to be a illusion the literalist needs to create.

Note...….. (Purple in parenthesis) temporal, what the eyes see the way of the world.(no faith)

Note...…... (Red in parenthesis) eternal what the Spirit of faith (unseen) reveals.

Note …. (black not highlighted in parenthesis) my added offering

We do not know Christ, eternal God who is not a man as us after the seed of David but after the unseen spiritual seed of Christ.

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead

The reference that you offered. "neither his flesh did see corruption" was for the three days. Three is used to denote the end of a matter

The father kept the corruption creatures from overtaking his body .The one time promised demonstration was not over until he commands us not to seek after his flesh just before he disappeared out of sight .(2 Corinthians 5:16)

The unseen eternal Spirit carried on its invisible work of faith as busness as usaul . iI does not mean it did not see corruption from the day the Son of man Jesus was born . After the ressurection, before he disappeared ( having finished the one time demonstration) .He instructed us even though some did have faith in and by and through that not seen his eternal Spirit. . . from then on (now) we know him no more after the corrupted flesh and blood as rudiments of this world

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, ( not in respect to the flesh what the eyes see) yet now henceforth know we him no more. (after what the eyes see rudiments of this world flesh and blood. )

 

[Dino246]

I am not changing the subject but rather clarifying by adding the infallible information . The flesh as to what the eyes sees profits for nothing nada. What the eyes see a corrupted body is not a payment for sin. We walk by the faith of God according to His unseen Spirit that lives in us just as it lived in the Son of man

You have built your doctrine on a verse ripped from its context. That's foolish.

You're ignoring the plain teaching of Scripture and promoting heresy.

Repeating words verbatim and adding no explanatory information is what five-year-olds do. I thought you were a man.

My English could improve. I think you could understand and are avoiding answering .

Stop making excuses and expecting others to accommodate a weakness that you are quite capable of fixing. Take a class.

This is just like the tongues as a sign law as to what you think the sign confirms. I get silence or a lesson in English. You as it seems would rather walk by sight after what some call sign gifts as in who needs faith . (Charismatics.)The Bible does not teach idea of "sign gifts". The two words are never used to develop doctrine. Spiritual gift not seen ,yes.

Spiritual gifts are not the subject of this thread. I have responded to your question; you just didn't like my response.

You really need to address the fact God does not accept dead sacrifices. Its the reason literal blood without the spirit essence life must be poured out . The corrupted flesh returns to the lifeless, spiritless dust and the corrupted spirit if not born gain returns to the Father of all spirit life.

Irrelevant.

It has every thing to do with corrupted flesh of Jesus the Son of man .

Jesus did not have corrupted flesh, period. You are preaching heresy.

Why glory in the flesh .The things seen? Where in the scriptures do you find that kind of interpreting prescription for rightly dividing the word of God.

You imply that I "glory in the flesh" but provide nothing for evidence. You clearly haven't read my posts carefully enough to understand what I do believe, but instead throw up straw man arguments as though they have some validity. They don't.

 

[garee]

You have built your doctrine on a verse ripped from its context. That's foolish.

What doctrine is that? The flesh profits for nothing, nada?

Repeating words verbatim and adding no explanatory information is what five-year-olds do. I thought you were a man.

Repeating words verbatim and adding no explanatory information is what five-year-olds do. I thought you were a man.

Stop making excuses and expecting others to accommodate a weakness that you are quite capable of fixing. Take a class.

Spiritual gifts are not the subject of this thread. I have responded to your question; you just didn't like my response.

Sorry for the extra work. I am a slow learner.

I think we are talking about the unseen spiritual things of God as gifts. As that in which the literalist seem to desire turning it upside down to make it after the things seen as a feel good doctrine of me..

That would take away the unseen understanding. The faithless Jew were known for that kind of understanding. Making the word of God without effect.

Scripture frames our understand that we have coming from Go.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

No such thing "sign gifts" as a confirming authority to edify oneself, (self righteousness) We have a living hope that no man has received, our new incorruptible bodies..

Walking by faith and not after corruptipted flesh that must be signified as sinful. It was the requirement needed to do what the law could not. The one time demonstration is over. God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly daysman that takes his fleshly hand and puts one on man seen and the other on God not seen

Jesus did not have corrupted flesh, period. You are preaching heresy.

I would say unless somone cloned the literal DNA blood of the Son of man, Jesus . We are all in trouble (no life)

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Perhaps real bread does shapeshift in the literal flesh blood of Jesus and the Pope should be worshipped?

You imply that I "glory in the flesh" but provide nothing for evidence. You clearly haven't read my posts carefully enough to understand what I do believe, but instead throw up straw man arguments as though they have some validity. They don't.

It would seem you are still trying to make the flesh as to what the eyes see "profit" . What kind of validity is that?

Peter understood it profited for nothing, nada, zip. But rather it was the unseen eternal Spirit which did all the work of profiting.. The disciples who were hoping it could profit walked away in un-belief (no faith). They went looking for a teacher that did glory in the flesh[/QUOTE]

 

[Dino246]

What doctrine is that? The flesh profits for nothing, nada?

Exactly.

Sorry for the extra work. I am a slow learner.

From what I've seen, you're a non-learner. You haven't demonstrated that you've learned a single thing since you've been here, and are still repeating errors that were corrected months ago.

Walking by faith and not after corruptipted flesh that must be signified as sinful. It was the requirement needed to do what the law could not. The one time demonstration is over. God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly daysman that takes his fleshly hand and puts one on man seen and the other on God not seen

Which part of "Jesus' flesh was not corrupted" don't you understand? Which part of "'daysman' is irrelevant'" don't you grasp?

Perhaps real bread does shapeshift in the literal flesh blood of Jesus and the Pope should be worshipped?

More irrelevant references to Catholicism. Your penchant for irrelevance and your fascination with Catholicism are strange.

It would seem you are still trying to make the flesh as to what the eyes see "profit" .

smh...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The reference was the Son of man, Jesus like us had the power to believe within .But not in reckoned after his corrupted body .

again ... please provide Scripture (chapter and verse) which states that Jesus had a "corrupted body".

His body was not like ours ... I have provided Scripture (chapter and verse) which states He was without blemish and without spot (i.e. no corruption); I have provided Scripture (chapter and verse) which states He did not fully partake of flesh and blood and showed you He only took part. He was the only begotten of the Father ... He was not after the image/likeness of Adam as is all the rest of mankind.


Since you refuse to "walk by faith" and receive the truth of Scripture, you continue to misconstrue Scripture which pertains to us and Scripture which pertains to Him.

learn what it means to walk in respect to the faith of God, the one faith of Christ .

again ... accuser of the brethren (aka garee) ... just because I acknowledge every facet of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ does not mean I do not "walk in faith".

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I can se you are still trying to make his flesh, (literal form what the eyes see. ) as a body of death . He inherited form his mother which he says profits for nothing. You are turning it into profiting for everything as a literalist .

I can see you refuse to acknowledge your error. You need to align your beliefs with what is actually written in Scripture.

Acts 2:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

...

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

The reference that you offered. "neither his flesh did see corruption" was for the three days.

Nope. His resurrected flesh did not "see corruption". His disciples saw Him ascend into heaven:

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld [Greek blepō - see], he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.


And at some point in the future, He will come again and every eye shall see Him:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him ...

The one time promised demonstration was not over until he commands us not to seek after his flesh just before he disappeared out of sight .(2 Corinthians 5:16)

What He told His disciples "just before He disappeared out of sight" is written in Acts 1.

2 Corinthians 5:16 does not state that Jesus' flesh was corrupt.

You have failed to provide any Scriptural support for your assertion that Jesus' flesh was corrupt.

 

[Shekinahglory]

But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. Re. 19: 20

it appears that if Satan and his compadres don't drown in the Lake of Fire they wouldn't drown in a flood of water. The angels who fell everyone of them is in prison at the moment waiting to be released for judgment. Most appear to be imprisoned in the Abyss or Bottomless Pit. The rest of the fallen angels are being held under the Euphrates Rives. I am not sure if this means under water or if it literally means under the entire river?

 

[garee]

I can see you refuse to acknowledge your error. You need to align your beliefs with what is actually written in Scripture.

Acts 2:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

...

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.





Nope. His resurrected flesh did not "see corruption". His disciples saw Him ascend into heaven:

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld [Greek blepō - see], he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.


And at some point in the future, He will come again and every eye shall see Him:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him ...





What He told His disciples "just before He disappeared out of sight" is written in Acts 1.

2 Corinthians 5:16 does not state that Jesus' flesh was corrupt.

You have failed to provide any Scriptural support for your assertion that Jesus' flesh was corrupt.

It would seem you are confused to just what is faith and where does it come from ? Obviously not after the imagination of our hearts who had no faith nothing nada before God worked in us to both will and do His good pleasure . Its easy to see you walk by sight after the corruptible(the whole creation).

We do not walk after the oral tradition of men as away of knowing Christ after the courted rudiments of this world. That would be more philosophy 101. No circular law of reasoning. We are warned of those antichrists that walk after the rudiments of this world .No faith needed . Just look and believe.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the "rudiments of the world", and not after Christ.

God is not a man as us and neither is there any infallible fleshly interpreter set between God not seen and man seen (daysman)

Did the "flesh and blood" of the Son of man, Jesus who infallibly informs us. . it profits for nothing because it is the unseen Spirit alone that could profit ? Did his flesh and blood enter heaven?

Do you know what it means to walk by the unseen eternal, called faith? And not that of our own self but the exclusive faith of God as it is written .

Does God need faith to work out his unseen will?

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, (The temporal as to what the eyes see). he would raise up Christ (the eternal not seen) to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.Acts 2:30

For the three days he poured out His living sacrifice not seen, also preventing the flesh from further corruption.. The power we have in our earthen bodies of death is the same power the Son of man had. He did the will of the unseen father just as we must. The power needed to believe incorruptible God, not seen. Which is not after his flesh that he inherited from his mother. . . (what the eyes see the temporal).

No power before the demonstration and no power after. (nothing, nada, zip )

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

No such thing as "holiness of the flesh" the temporal thing seen.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

How long of time is yet now henceforth know we him no more. The twinkling of the eye or forever and ever, God is not a man as us??

You have failed to provide any Scriptural support for your assertion that Jesus' flesh was not corrupted, aging, dying leading towards returning to the lifeless, spiritless rudiments as food for worms .