Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

[Sipsey]

Pretty slick how one can change a verse so subtly.
“The love of money was indeed the root of all evil, but now money itself has become the root of all evil”

 

[tourist]

I have prepaid for things in advance, and exchanged my fiat currency for things I need. The love of money was indeed the root of all evil, but now money itself has become the root of all evil, because our money today is not gold and silver as it was before, it is paper money and fiat currency, which is used to steal from the world, through devaluation, which therefore makes everyone who possess it as culpable as those who issue, the mark of the beast.

You say that fiat currency is evil yet you paid for things in advance with fiat money. Where in the bible does it say that fiat currency is evil? Let's start with that basic question and then proceed from there.

 

[JamOn]

Fiat currency may not be the best financial instrument but it is the only one available to most people and necessary in order pay bills, buy food, shelter, transportation, and all of the things needed to have any quality of life.

As I have asked you before, how do you live and what is a practical alternative to fiat currency? You have offered no alternatives nor have stated how you get the things necessary to live and hopefully thrive.

The bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil, it does not say however that money in itself is evil. There is a big difference.

seems so, Jesus fed five thousand with a bread and a fish yet still had a money bag that he sent the disciples to the city to buy food etc. interesting

 

[gaviriachristian]

You say that fiat currency is evil yet you paid for things in advance with fiat money. Where in the bible does it say that fiat currency is evil? Let's start with that basic question and then proceed from there.

ive already explained, scroll up.

 

[Dan_473]

Gold does have a degree of commercial value, but I would argue that beyond what someone is willing to trade for it, it’s value really lies in the “perception” of its value. You can’t eat it and it’s value is not determined by you or me, but by the market. Here is an article that says the same.

The statement of intrinsic value means that people seem to think that somehow gold is mythical in that it is automatically always accepted as an exchange method. People say something like “the gold standard.” That refers to several things, but I’m just saying in the sense of if things go bad, gold will always work to be exchanged for things. That is not true, so that’s not intrinsic value.

Certainly, you can melt gold down and it has some utilitarian value. Silver has gone up because it’s being used a lot in microchips and those kinds of things, so it’s got a utilitarian value that way—a use value. Gold is no more valuable than someone else’s willingness to accept it in exchange for something. It’s what my friend Rabbi Lapin, who wrote the book Thou Shall Prosper, says that money in that sense is spiritual—not in the sense that it’s a religious spiritual thing, but it’s spiritual in that if I’m willing to accept beads in exchange for food or beads in exchange for a place to sleep, then that might have been the case with Columbus.

In other cases, people might be willing to accept rocks in exchange for something else. Some people might exchange paper that has a certain color to it. The only reason we’re willing to exchange that is because we think that someone else will later exchange it for something else. The paper itself does not have value. It’s just green paper. The gold rock does not have value. It’s just a gold rock. The only value that anything has is to the extent that someone else would pay for it, in terms of a medium of exchange to operate an economy on.

Absolutely true!

I think that people came to value gold in ancient times because it could easily be made into jewelry.

Today it still has that use, in addition to a few other uses like making high-quality electrical contacts.

But you're right that gold has no intrinsic value. It has no value in hunter-gatherer societies, unless you can get them interested in the glitter.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I quote both, hence my bible studies that quote the entire scriptures, whereas you people only look at the new testament and completely ignore the Torah, and you get angry when I do quote the Torah, because you hate the Torah.

What does Torah say to do with false prophets?

 

[Dan_473]

However, for the sake of translation accuracy, I choose to render the original names in English according to how they should actually be pronounced.

I hear you!

the interesting thing is that the New testament writers, under inspiration from the holy Spirit, did not follow that practice.

 

[tourist]

ive already explained, scroll up.

That's OK. I really don't have anything against you personally but it's time for me to be moving forward once again. I wish you well and all of God's blessings.

 

[Dan_473]

Oh, so you love the Torah then? Stupendous.

I love the law of Moses.

Psalm 19: 10. More to be desired are they than gold, yes, than much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and the extract of the honeycomb.

And I'm glad that it is fulfilled with a single phrase.

 

[gaviriachristian]

I hear you!

the interesting thing is that the New testament writers, under inspiration from the holy Spirit, did not follow that practice.

They did actually, which is why they transliterated the Hebrew name of the Messiah into the Greek. Pronunciation matters.

 

[gaviriachristian]

I love the law of Moses.

Psalm 19: 10. More to be desired are they than gold, yes, than much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and the extract of the honeycomb.

And I'm glad that it is fulfilled with a single phrase.

Once heaven and earth passes away, then it will be fulfilled. Not before.

 

[tourist]

seems so, Jesus fed five thousand with a bread and a fish yet still had a money bag that he sent the disciples to the city to buy food etc. interesting

Probably had a bunch of shekels in it, which is coined with various amounts of silver. It was the fiat currency issued by the Roman Government with Caesar stamped on it and was legal tender for financial transactions.

 

[Dan_473]

They did actually, which is why they transliterated the Hebrew name of the Messiah into the Greek. Pronunciation matters.

Oh, I see what you're saying there.

I was referring to places where the New testament writers quote a passage from the old testament where God's personal name appears.

Then they use the Greek word for master.

 

[Dan_473]

Once heaven and earth passes away, then it will be fulfilled. Not before.

I disagree.

There are two "untils" in this verse
Matthew 5: 18. For most certainly, I tell you,
until heaven and earth pass away,
not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law,

until all things are accomplished.


Galatians 5: 14. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

 

[gaviriachristian]

Oh, I see what you're saying there.

I was referring to places where the New testament writers quote a passage from the old testament where God's personal name appears.

Then they use the Greek word for master.

That's because many references to Yehovah in the old testament are actually referring to Yeshuah, so the apostles rendered the text from Yehovah to Master, referring to Yeshuah. Also, the name of Yeshuah is derived from the name of Yehovah, "Yehovah delivers", so both names are as one although they refer to two different persons. To render the old testament texts as Yehovah or Master are both correct. I choose to render them with Yehovah because people today do not realize the importance of the names of God and pronunciation and usage and not taking these names in vain. They just read "LORD" and do not understand that there is an actual name behind that word that was translated as "LORD".

 

[JamOn]

Probably had a bunch of shekels in it, which is coined with various amounts of silver. It was the fiat currency issued by the Roman Government with Caesar stamped on it and was legal tender for financial transactions.

The Bible isn’t clear on where the boy got the 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish but I have a feeling it was at some point purchased at a market.

 

[gaviriachristian]

I disagree.

There are two "untils" in this verse
Matthew 5: 18. For most certainly, I tell you,
until heaven and earth pass away,
not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law,

until all things are accomplished.


Galatians 5: 14. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

You shall love your neighbor as yourself is one of many commands in the Torah, the second most important one, which summarizes most of the Torah. But the Torah also has appointed times, such as the Passover, which the Messiah fulfilled in his first coming, and the appointed time of trumpet blasts, which he will fulfill in his second coming. That is why, "until heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass from the Torah, until all of it is fulfilled", because once heaven and earth passes away, after the 1,000 year rulership of the Messiah, which is foreshadowed by the weekly Shabbath of the Torah, then the entire Torah along with its appointed times will be fulfilled and will pass away with this earth.

 

[Dan_473]

That's because many references to Yehovah in the old testament are actually referring to Yeshuah, so the apostles rendered the text from Yehovah to Master, referring to Yeshuah. Also, the name of Yeshuah is derived from the name of Yehovah, "Yehovah delivers", so both names are as one although they refer to two different persons. To render the old testament texts as Yehovah or Master are both correct. I choose to render them with Yehovah because people today do not realize the importance of the names of God and pronunciation and usage and not taking these names in vain. They just read "LORD" and do not understand that there is an actual name behind that word that was translated as "LORD".

That's an interesting approach, I can see its value in some cases.

If used consistently, I think it would cause a problem in this verse
Matthew 22: 44. 'The Lord said to my Lord, sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?'

 

[Dan_473]

You shall love your neighbor as yourself is one of many commands in the Torah, the second most important one, which summarizes most of the Torah. But the Torah also has appointed times, such as the Passover, which the Messiah fulfilled in his first coming, and the appointed time of trumpet blasts, which he will fulfill in his second coming. That is why, "until heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass from the Torah, until all of it is fulfilled", because once heaven and earth passes away, after the 1,000 year rulership of the Messiah, which is foreshadowed by the weekly Shabbath of the Torah, then the entire Torah along with its appointed times will be fulfilled and will pass away with this earth.

I interpret the scriptures differently.

This passage says
The whole law

Galatians 5: 14. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

 

[JamOn]

You shall love your neighbor as yourself is one of many commands in the Torah, the second most important one, which summarizes most of the Torah. But the Torah also has appointed times, such as the Passover, which the Messiah fulfilled in his first coming, and the appointed time of trumpet blasts, which he will fulfill in his second coming. That is why, "until heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass from the Torah, until all of it is fulfilled", because once heaven and earth passes away, after the 1,000 year rulership of the Messiah, which is foreshadowed by the weekly Shabbath of the Torah, then the entire Torah along with its appointed times will be fulfilled and will pass away with this earth.

that’s correct some have been fulfilled and some have not thus as you mentioned.