WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?
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Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem behold, thy King cometh unto thee he is just, and having salvation lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
FIRST ADVENT
Zechariah 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
2ND ADVENT
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:4 John to the seven churches
Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Revelation 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem behold, thy King cometh unto thee he is just, and having salvation lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
FIRST ADVENT
Zechariah 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
2ND ADVENT
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:4 John to the seven churches
Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Revelation 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Good verses
How about in the Greek - Not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, is about to cast the devil [some]of you into prison, so that you might be tested and you shall have tribulation days ten. Be faithful unto death and I will give to you the crown of life.
The one having an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The [one] overcoming no not shall be injured by the death second.
3528 nikao to conquer, prevail, am victorious, overcome,
to carry off the victory, come off victorious. The verb implies a battle
of Christians, that hold fast their faith even unto death against the power of their foes, and their temptations and persecutions.
How is it possible for the 7 "churches" to be taken away before the tribulation, and to overcome the devil at the same time??
What is the purpose of the letters to them if they are not to participate?
Do you feel they are being persecuted today?
Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
What does this mean?
Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
What does this mean?
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy
Or are just parts of parts of the churches going?
These are the souls you believe will be "raptured" out and given eternal life??? these are the souls God will be comprising His eternal kingdom with??? These are to be the bride??? These are to reign with Christ???
thou hast left thy first love.
thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
The one having an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The [one] overcoming no not shall be injured by the death second.
3528 nikao to conquer, prevail, am victorious, overcome,
to carry off the victory, come off victorious. The verb implies a battle
of Christians, that hold fast their faith even unto death against the power of their foes, and their temptations and persecutions.
How is it possible for the 7 "churches" to be taken away before the tribulation, and to overcome the devil at the same time??
What is the purpose of the letters to them if they are not to participate?
Do you feel they are being persecuted today?
Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
What does this mean?
Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
What does this mean?
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy
Or are just parts of parts of the churches going?
These are the souls you believe will be "raptured" out and given eternal life??? these are the souls God will be comprising His eternal kingdom with??? These are to be the bride??? These are to reign with Christ???
thou hast left thy first love.
thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
We both believe we go through tribulation.
We are promised it.
The gt is jacobs trouble...Israels trouble.
We both believe Jesus comes back post trib.
The op is rapture timing. When is the rapture.
So to say pretribbers are weak,fearful escapist that are easily decieved,shaken,sissys is just desperation.
The strong and separated are raptured.
The bride is raptured.
We are promised it.
The gt is jacobs trouble...Israels trouble.
We both believe Jesus comes back post trib.
The op is rapture timing. When is the rapture.
So to say pretribbers are weak,fearful escapist that are easily decieved,shaken,sissys is just desperation.
The strong and separated are raptured.
The bride is raptured.
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""How is it possible for the 7 "churches" to be taken away before the tribulation, and to overcome the devil at the same time??
What is the purpose of the letters to them if they are not to participate?
Do you feel they are being persecuted today?""
Jesus said "pray that you will be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the earth and stand before the son of man"
Then in the 7 churches he says "BECAUSE THOU HAS KEPT the word of the testimony, i will keep you out of the trial that is about to come.
The 5 wise were worthy.
It was conditional.
Departing with the groom was conditional.
The last words of the bible are "THE SPIRIT and the BRIDE say COME....."
The rapture is a bride thingy.
I have not heard you frame a single point in bride/groom factor.
Only insistence that we NEED the gt (which you say you will miss as a martyred one)
What is the purpose of the letters to them if they are not to participate?
Do you feel they are being persecuted today?""
Jesus said "pray that you will be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the earth and stand before the son of man"
Then in the 7 churches he says "BECAUSE THOU HAS KEPT the word of the testimony, i will keep you out of the trial that is about to come.
The 5 wise were worthy.
It was conditional.
Departing with the groom was conditional.
The last words of the bible are "THE SPIRIT and the BRIDE say COME....."
The rapture is a bride thingy.
I have not heard you frame a single point in bride/groom factor.
Only insistence that we NEED the gt (which you say you will miss as a martyred one)
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Do you hear the seventh angel sounding? Do you see the two witnesses rising in the cloud? Do you see the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of Our Lord and Christ forever and ever? Do you remember what happens at the 7th Trump when the dead resurrect and the live are changed (you call this "rapture") to be with the Lord forever and ever? Do you see what is going on in heaven and what they have said? Do you see when THY WRATH IS COME? Do you see the dead being judged? Do you see the reward unto the servants and prophets?
Do you see how ALL flesh has been either resurrected or changed? Do you see how easy it will be when "THY WRATH" is come to BE standing right in the middle of it, (in the incorruptible body), not having taken "the mark" to have not a hair on your head touched?? Do you see why those who take the mark of the beast, though we wont see it, to be separated and singled out by God?? Do you see how easy that makes it for Jesus to separate the sheep and the goats? Do you see the simplicity of Gods Word??
My last points - because I do not understand anything that you write. It is pure confusion to me.
There are on this planet right now those who are "in Christ, spiritually alive" and those who are "not in Christ, spiritually dead". You are one or the other. God knows every hair on our heads. His books are perfect. When Satan arrives the spiritually dead are good as dust because without faith and knowledge and the full gospel armor, they don't stand a chance. He is super natural and we know that if God had not shortened the time even the "elect" would be deceived. So who is Satan going after??? Those who are at the moment spiritually alive.
Satan has been working on his plan since, well to keep the conversation short, Cain. The four hidden dynasties must be set in place and the deadly wound to have occurred. In fixing the deadly wound (to the beast system) Satan will have taken over all monetary systems. He will set in place of the earthly king/rulers, his angels. Education at that point will have dumbed down the sheeple. And by the very nature of his being supernatural and the miracles he performs and his ability to lie and deceive he will without so much as a problem (well except for the two witnesses, and Gods elect, (that God will use to wake up the 144,000)) have no problem convincing the world that he is God. There will be world peace (not really but sure will feel that way) and prosperity (not really but sure does feel that way) and all anyone will have to do is accept him as God (take the mark in the forehead, believe) and accept the prosperity he gives to all (mark in the hand and receive) and he will stand where he ought naught proclaiming to be God.
And when is it sudden destruction comes??? When does Jesus come "as a thief IN THE NIGHT"
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
DON'T ALLOW YOUR SOUL TO BE DECEIVED BY SATAN, PUT ON THE FULL GOSPEL ARMOR TO WITHSTAND his FIERY DARTS. Fill up that lamp (you, a light in the world) with oil, and don't just "be saved" make sure you have enought oil (Christ, the word) to make it through the "night or darkness" without leaving Christ by being deceived by Satan.
Yes the 7 churches will be here. We have been told. We have been warned. We have been given the instruction book. God has provided us with all we need to be protected and to over come/be victorious and to reign forever and ever with Christ.
This flesh life, this flesh body are vanity/empty/nothing ness. The only thing that matters is Our LORD GOD and creator and His love. He has made us promises of a life so wonderful, we are incapable of even conceiving of it. Do you want to be "more" FOR HIM? Do you want to be able to approach Christ, or just the people for the Millennium, or just be part of the people? Now is the time and the time is short.
Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Do you hear the seventh angel sounding? Do you see the two witnesses rising in the cloud? Do you see the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of Our Lord and Christ forever and ever? Do you remember what happens at the 7th Trump when the dead resurrect and the live are changed (you call this "rapture") to be with the Lord forever and ever? Do you see what is going on in heaven and what they have said? Do you see when THY WRATH IS COME? Do you see the dead being judged? Do you see the reward unto the servants and prophets?
Do you see how ALL flesh has been either resurrected or changed? Do you see how easy it will be when "THY WRATH" is come to BE standing right in the middle of it, (in the incorruptible body), not having taken "the mark" to have not a hair on your head touched?? Do you see why those who take the mark of the beast, though we wont see it, to be separated and singled out by God?? Do you see how easy that makes it for Jesus to separate the sheep and the goats? Do you see the simplicity of Gods Word??
My last points - because I do not understand anything that you write. It is pure confusion to me.
There are on this planet right now those who are "in Christ, spiritually alive" and those who are "not in Christ, spiritually dead". You are one or the other. God knows every hair on our heads. His books are perfect. When Satan arrives the spiritually dead are good as dust because without faith and knowledge and the full gospel armor, they don't stand a chance. He is super natural and we know that if God had not shortened the time even the "elect" would be deceived. So who is Satan going after??? Those who are at the moment spiritually alive.
Satan has been working on his plan since, well to keep the conversation short, Cain. The four hidden dynasties must be set in place and the deadly wound to have occurred. In fixing the deadly wound (to the beast system) Satan will have taken over all monetary systems. He will set in place of the earthly king/rulers, his angels. Education at that point will have dumbed down the sheeple. And by the very nature of his being supernatural and the miracles he performs and his ability to lie and deceive he will without so much as a problem (well except for the two witnesses, and Gods elect, (that God will use to wake up the 144,000)) have no problem convincing the world that he is God. There will be world peace (not really but sure will feel that way) and prosperity (not really but sure does feel that way) and all anyone will have to do is accept him as God (take the mark in the forehead, believe) and accept the prosperity he gives to all (mark in the hand and receive) and he will stand where he ought naught proclaiming to be God.
And when is it sudden destruction comes??? When does Jesus come "as a thief IN THE NIGHT"
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
DON'T ALLOW YOUR SOUL TO BE DECEIVED BY SATAN, PUT ON THE FULL GOSPEL ARMOR TO WITHSTAND his FIERY DARTS. Fill up that lamp (you, a light in the world) with oil, and don't just "be saved" make sure you have enought oil (Christ, the word) to make it through the "night or darkness" without leaving Christ by being deceived by Satan.
Yes the 7 churches will be here. We have been told. We have been warned. We have been given the instruction book. God has provided us with all we need to be protected and to over come/be victorious and to reign forever and ever with Christ.
This flesh life, this flesh body are vanity/empty/nothing ness. The only thing that matters is Our LORD GOD and creator and His love. He has made us promises of a life so wonderful, we are incapable of even conceiving of it. Do you want to be "more" FOR HIM? Do you want to be able to approach Christ, or just the people for the Millennium, or just be part of the people? Now is the time and the time is short.
I am sorry. I TRUELY can not follow your line of thought. I really don't know what you believe, or the order you believe it to be in. It is not from a lack of trying. I am trying way harder to be clear here than anywhere else, I think. I wish you would put it out in scripture with explanations as I think that may be the only way for me to understand what you are trying to say.
""Do you see how easy it will be when "THY WRATH" is come to BE standing right in the middle of it, (in the incorruptible body), not having taken "the mark" to have not a hair on your head touched??""
Rev 13;16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [a]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 8And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.
So,like you say about yourself believerscare all killed during the gt.
Rev 13;16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [a]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 8And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.
So,like you say about yourself believerscare all killed during the gt.
The rapture of the church/bride..
The timing is pretrib.
That is what i read. What it says.
Post trib rapture ,when test fitted,does not fit.
Here is why
Noah,&Lot. Jesus framed a pretrib departure with lot and noah
The bride/groom component
(Which i already showed you)
...and brought to your attention that post tribs skip totally. They skip the heart of the rapture. The gathering of the bride.
The ac kills all refusing the mark.
Rev 14 has a rapture by Jesus on a cloud.
Now,if the dead rise first,before the living,postribs place that backwards because we see the living raptured before 1 thes 4.
That alone disqualifies a post trib rapture.
The timing is pretrib.
That is what i read. What it says.
Post trib rapture ,when test fitted,does not fit.
Here is why
Noah,&Lot. Jesus framed a pretrib departure with lot and noah
The bride/groom component
(Which i already showed you)
...and brought to your attention that post tribs skip totally. They skip the heart of the rapture. The gathering of the bride.
The ac kills all refusing the mark.
Rev 14 has a rapture by Jesus on a cloud.
Now,if the dead rise first,before the living,postribs place that backwards because we see the living raptured before 1 thes 4.
That alone disqualifies a post trib rapture.
Until you use words from God, I will never understand what you are trying to say.
Set out your scriptures in order, with commentary if you like,
and then maybe I will be able to see this" not the 1st advent and not the 2nd advent"
"coming of Jesus to take as His bride these not tested doctrine of Balaam, eating things sacrificed unto idols, committing fornication holders of the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which He hates, suffering Jezebel, neither cold nor hot (who He wants to spue out of His mouth) rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked, church",
to reign with Him and be Priests of His for the thousand years theory you are putting forth as the Truth of Gods Plan and I will let you know if it "fits" for me or not.
Because I don't follow YOUR words, or order of events, not that I haven't tried to see what you are saying, but I can't. I don't know any other way to say even this.
Set out your scriptures in order, with commentary if you like,
and then maybe I will be able to see this" not the 1st advent and not the 2nd advent"
"coming of Jesus to take as His bride these not tested doctrine of Balaam, eating things sacrificed unto idols, committing fornication holders of the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which He hates, suffering Jezebel, neither cold nor hot (who He wants to spue out of His mouth) rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked, church",
to reign with Him and be Priests of His for the thousand years theory you are putting forth as the Truth of Gods Plan and I will let you know if it "fits" for me or not.
Because I don't follow YOUR words, or order of events, not that I haven't tried to see what you are saying, but I can't. I don't know any other way to say even this.
Like most doctrines there roots as a foundation of the doctrine are set in Genesis the Old testament. .
Its not a literal mark but is the mark of Cain. A restless wanderer finding no sabbath rest with God's people who believe in, by and through a God not seen
Jesus said in a evil generation men as beast of the field those (666) Found with no faith in believing a God not seen . They seek after signs and wonders as to what the eyes see but none would be given. the last the sign of Jonas. which was fulfilled in the Son of man Jesus.
The buying and selling has to do with the spiritual truths of the gospel . Not food needed to maintain these bodies of death .
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
.God increased the work load of faithless Cain making it heavy laden a living suffering called hell. .The mark of God's words . The mark of one not yoked with Christ as was Abel.
Cain, after atheism, the religion of "out of sight out of mind" rid himself of his brothers work offering the gospel. Thinking killing the messenger kills the message. Just as the faithless Pharisees with Sadaucesss.
The work of the Spirit signified as blood of Abel still calls out today the be clothed with a new incorruptible body.
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. (the punishment that Christ bore alone, as our sabbath rest. ) Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the Lord said unto him, (mark my word) Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. (The death penalty ) And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.geneisis 4: 10-16
Cain suffered his whole life not finiding rest with the people of God. Changed my idea on the death penatly.
Its not a literal mark but is the mark of Cain. A restless wanderer finding no sabbath rest with God's people who believe in, by and through a God not seen
Jesus said in a evil generation men as beast of the field those (666) Found with no faith in believing a God not seen . They seek after signs and wonders as to what the eyes see but none would be given. the last the sign of Jonas. which was fulfilled in the Son of man Jesus.
The buying and selling has to do with the spiritual truths of the gospel . Not food needed to maintain these bodies of death .
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
.God increased the work load of faithless Cain making it heavy laden a living suffering called hell. .The mark of God's words . The mark of one not yoked with Christ as was Abel.
Cain, after atheism, the religion of "out of sight out of mind" rid himself of his brothers work offering the gospel. Thinking killing the messenger kills the message. Just as the faithless Pharisees with Sadaucesss.
The work of the Spirit signified as blood of Abel still calls out today the be clothed with a new incorruptible body.
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. (the punishment that Christ bore alone, as our sabbath rest. ) Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the Lord said unto him, (mark my word) Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. (The death penalty ) And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.geneisis 4: 10-16
Cain suffered his whole life not finiding rest with the people of God. Changed my idea on the death penatly.
We have a completely different take on all but "it is not a literal mark" so I thought I would just leave you with these, to ponder maybe.
I know it says "Absolutely" but that is just how my posts get quoted to her posts.
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Cain is in no way an atheist.
Genesis 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
I know it says "Absolutely" but that is just how my posts get quoted to her posts.
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Cain is in no way an atheist.
Genesis 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Genesis 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.