Is unconditional election biblical?
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Its hard to explain because God uses EVERYTHING to His Good Purpose.
And yet scripture says God is NOT the Author of sin.
James 1:13-17
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
And yet scripture says God is NOT the Author of sin.
James 1:13-17
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
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The crucifixion was what I was alluding to when I said He was active in the most atrocious act known to mankind. He used ppl’s desires to fulfill it. By His determinate counsel and foreknowledge...
God was also active in Job’s afflictions, too. I never said God tempts ppl with evil, as He obviously doesn’t. But He is still active in fulfilling His will.
God was also active in Job’s afflictions, too. I never said God tempts ppl with evil, as He obviously doesn’t. But He is still active in fulfilling His will.
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That's why it is hard to explain.
Because God uses things that aren't good to His Good Purpose.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Even things that we would consider as bad, still works together for the good to them that Love God and are called according to His Purpose.
Because God uses things that aren't good to His Good Purpose.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Even things that we would consider as bad, still works together for the good to them that Love God and are called according to His Purpose.
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Not really, because passive decrees work towards his goal.
I don't think God causes me to choose what color socks to wear in the morning. But, does it violate his will? I don't think so. He is indifferent about it.
If we can show examples how God actively decrees events to fulfill his will, that doesn't prove that events occur that are not actively decreed.
As mentioned, God is not the author of sin. He doesn't cause people to sin. He doesn't really have to, because they have a fallen nature. In fact, he restrains sin as a common grace per Romans 1. By pulling back on his restraint of sin, sin occurs, though. He is not the author of sin, though.
I don't think God causes me to choose what color socks to wear in the morning. But, does it violate his will? I don't think so. He is indifferent about it.
If we can show examples how God actively decrees events to fulfill his will, that doesn't prove that events occur that are not actively decreed.
As mentioned, God is not the author of sin. He doesn't cause people to sin. He doesn't really have to, because they have a fallen nature. In fact, he restrains sin as a common grace per Romans 1. By pulling back on his restraint of sin, sin occurs, though. He is not the author of sin, though.
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Where is your Scriptural evidence for this contradiction to the Gospel?
However, I will provide you with just one verse to refute what you have said.
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (John 1:29)
Even John Calvin could not controvert this. Kindly read his commentary on this exact verse on Bible Hub. And after you have read it, please retract your above statement, and agree with God that Christ died for the sins of the whole world. It could not be otherwise.
Those who disagree with God and Christ place themselves in great jeopardy.
However, I will provide you with just one verse to refute what you have said.
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (John 1:29)
Even John Calvin could not controvert this. Kindly read his commentary on this exact verse on Bible Hub. And after you have read it, please retract your above statement, and agree with God that Christ died for the sins of the whole world. It could not be otherwise.
Those who disagree with God and Christ place themselves in great jeopardy.
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IF there is no sin in the world then EVERYONE is saved. With or without belief in Christ. We know this is not the case.
OBVIOUSLY, The Lamb of God has taken away the sin of all who believe in Him, in the world.
People who don't believe in Christ don't have their sins taken away.
How is this not obvious to you??? (And to your commentary?)
OBVIOUSLY, The Lamb of God has taken away the sin of all who believe in Him, in the world.
People who don't believe in Christ don't have their sins taken away.
How is this not obvious to you??? (And to your commentary?)
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Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
The analogy has nothing to do with the ‘Limited Atonement’ that Christ saves his own body, that he gave himself of it in the sense he only atones them. Why there is a need to atone if it was already a part of the body? What did Paul mean when he used the term “save”? By the context, this saving and giving of himself are to feed and to take care of his body, the church. This is not about the pre-salvation but a rather post-salvation experience.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
The analogy has nothing to do with the ‘Limited Atonement’ that Christ saves his own body, that he gave himself of it in the sense he only atones them. Why there is a need to atone if it was already a part of the body? What did Paul mean when he used the term “save”? By the context, this saving and giving of himself are to feed and to take care of his body, the church. This is not about the pre-salvation but a rather post-salvation experience.
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