Who is the Harlot of Rev

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thus Satans only Hope is to stop God from fulfilling his promise to the "physical seed" of Abraham, which is why Satan has tried and is still trying to wipe out the seed. When The beast attacks Jerusalem, it is Satans last ditch effort to Keep God from fulfilling his covenant, which would make God a liar and set Satan free.

God has fulfilled His Promise.
but you deny that.
the harlot is Jerusalem, and she is to be burned with fire (the punishment for the daughter of a priest who fornicates)

the attack on Jerusalem is Providence my friend. JUDGMENT.

Rev 17 and 18 makes it clear she is completely destroyed, Since the city is destroyed, the power that rules her "system" is destroyed with it. Remember, She thought she could not die, The fact she is utterly destroyed by the beast and false prophet, Means that her system and influence is destroyed. And her doctrines will destroyed with it. Remember, It is the beast who claims to be the messiah, And the world is forced to worship him, which means the Harlots false system must be destroyed, So her followers will see her false system (how could the God who formed her allow her to be destroyed. The fact she is destroyed will prove to the world her God was false. And everyone will then be free to worship the beast.

ya.

the great city where our Lord was crucified: JERUSALEM...who is in bondage with her children, and says she sits a Queen and is No Widow. EVEN TODAY.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God has fulfilled His Promise.
but you deny that.
the harlot is Jerusalem, and she is to be burned with fire (the punishment for the daughter of a priest who fornicates)

the attack on Jerusalem is Providence my friend. JUDGMENT.





ya.

the great city where our Lord was crucified: JERUSALEM...who is in bondage with her children, and says she sits a Queen and is No Widow. EVEN TODAY.

If your going to keep babbling this nonsense. Prove Jerusalem fullfills the 5 things I keep asking you to prove. Or prove your nothing but a hypocrite. and a liar!

You do know silence speaks louder than words do you not? Your silence is loud and clear! And there for all to see!!

 

[Ricke]

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Ah yes!, But the passage says the MOTHER will be destroyed, so this is who we should concentrate on, for if we find the mother, we know who it is.

why, it is MAMMA CHURCH, the Ugliest "Woman" in the World....

 

[zone]

If your going to keep babbling this nonsense. Prove Jerusalem fullfills the 5 things I keep asking you to prove.

Or prove your nothing but a hypocrite. and a liar!

You do know silence speaks louder than words do you not? Your silence is loud and clear! And there for all to see!!

you're too lazy to search the Scriptures yourself.
your prophecy books and televangelists and dvds tell you Rome is the harlot...so why bother reading the bible?

i've posted HUNDREDS of posts and threads on this issue.

and the truth is EASY for anyone who cares.

you clearly do not care.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

uh....hello?
IN THE DAYS OF THOSE KINGS...Jesus WAS the Stone cut without Hands, He DID smash those kingdoms (toes) AT THE FIRST ADVENT.

first the HERODS and the Harlot Jerusalem fell in 70AD...and then Empire also fell (though not completely).

but, as a dispy xtian zionist you have to have that ALL in the future. you can't see the eschaton for what it is because you don't even have Jesus fulfilling Dan 9.

tsk tsk.

What an idiot. The 4th beast destroyed Jerusalem (the people of the prince who is to come) Just like daniel prophesied they would, The prince who is to come was later to sign a treaty with Daniels people. Which has not yet happened.

Yes Jesus did fulfilled Dan 9. HE WAS CUT OFF (KILLED) At the end of the 69th week. Then about 35 years later, The people of the prince who was to come (ROME) destroyed jersualem, Just as daniel said they would Since they were the people of one who was to come, The prince had not come yet. Jesus fulfilled his part. The beast has not!

uh...no...sorry. wrong again.

Only in your head

GOOD FOR YOU!
a remnant BELIEVES...exactly as i have ALWAYS SAID. BEFORE the Second Advent.

THEN The Second Advent and Judgment.

but, as a Scofield/Wescott & Hort man, you still need a 1,000 years and a third resurrection and 2nd flesh bodies so all israel can be saved.

eeeeeya. mkay.

Well if this is what Scofield and wescott says they are wrong.

All Isreal is saved at the end of the 7 years.That was the purpose of the 70 years. Not at the end of the 1000 years.which follows the 70 years. It is while the final beast is attacking Jerusalem that Chjrist returns, and slaughters evil. Those remaining (those who believe him not the beast) will enter the 1000 years.

But you do not believe in a literal years, even though ALl prophesy has been literally fulfilled. so you can not believe what the bible says.

By the way, You should read what people say, and not assume you know what they believe, otherwise, you prove you have been spoonfed. Which would explain why you keep getting things wrong!


yawn...

Jesus, during His meeting and conflict with the Pharisees and Scribes says this to the Scribes:

Luke 11:52
Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering.”

do you understand what He said?

they DID NOT ENTER eternal life, and had stopped others from doing so.

Yeah, Why? Because they were following babylonialism? NO. BECAUSE THE MISINTERPRETED THE LAW.

see that? THEY ARE NOT GETTING IN. and they had stopped (and are stopping) others from getting in too.

Yeah, And so are many churches who misinterpret the Gospel.

so what's your 1,000 years for? are you overturning Christ's condemnation so they can be raised into flesh bodies and be ministered to by christians in spirit bodies for a mystery 1,000 years?

I do not question why God does things. Ask him

uh...ya....shah.

The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple. All maintream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.
Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jerusalem wasn't the harlot then, and assuredly she isn't now. no, for a christian zionist who believes that, ROME or THE WORLD must be the harlot, or better yet, Christ's New Covenant church shall be the harlot.

The Jewish religious people were not playing with foreign Pegan Gods, They did not worship foriegn Gods by practicing pagan ritual. The romans were practicing pegan rituals, not the jews. The jews mistake was they misinterpreted the law. And thought they were saved by the law. They did not believe the law showed their need for a savior. thus they were not looking for a savior.

Your ignorance amazes me!!

after all,

a) the ancient Hebrew exist today with "untainted blood" and this means something.
b) and that even if they WERE genetically 'pure" sons of Abraham, what JOHN THE BAPTIST told them 2,000 years ago was wrong:

This makes no sense!

Matthew 3:9
And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.

Yes Jesus was telling him that being abraham's sons does not make them saved. As they thought it did. This does not make them the harlot. Or playing the harlot. The harlot was the roman theology. The jews were not mixing roman theology with their law. They just misinterpreted the purpose of their law. GET A CLUE!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you're too lazy to search the Scriptures yourself.
your prophecy books and televangelists and dvds tell you Rome is the harlot...so why bother reading the bible?

i've posted HUNDREDS of posts and threads on this issue.

and the truth is EASY for anyone who cares.

you clearly do not care.

Interpretaion:

I can't so stop asking

I find it amazing you will spend hours posting all kinds of stuff. But refuse to answer those questions. Again, Silence speaks louder than words. Your fooling no one but yourself!

I would have more respect for you if you at least tried. or said you are not sure and can't, then doing what your doing., Your a hypocrite. you demand everything from others. But you refuse to do what you demand

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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why, it is MAMMA CHURCH, the Ugliest "Woman" in the World....

No because if we find the mother we know who the harlot is, for the mother is the harlot

 

[zone]

What an idiot. The 4th beast destroyed Jerusalem (the people of the prince who is to come) Just like daniel prophesied they would, The prince who is to come was later to sign a treaty with Daniels people. Which has not yet happened. !

SIGN A TREATY????? ROTFLMHO!!!!
according to Tim Lahaye? John Hagee?

he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: THIS IS JESUS!

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

and what you just can't grasp because you don't know how to follow the subject and identify the object using simple rules of grammar, is that the above passage in blue is talking about TITUS.

but you read along and think the whole PASSAGE APPLIES TO SOME DEVIL IN THE FUTURE. now it goes back to the SUBJECT: MESSAIH at The First Advent.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Yes Jesus did fulfilled Dan 9. HE WAS CUT OFF (KILLED) At the end of the 69th week. !

at the end of the 60th week? even IF He was cut off in the 69th (which He wasn't) you say He was cut off at the end...the Bible says he was cut off in THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.

since the SUBJECT of the ENTIRE passage is about JESUS, it now returns to Jesus Messiah, "and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" this ALSO refers to Him, as causes the animal sacrifices TO CEASE FOREVER.

ever heard of Calvary? The Lamb of God?

Then about 35 years later, The people of the prince who was to come (ROME) destroyed jersualem, Just as daniel said they would Since they were the people of one who was to come, The prince had not come yet. Jesus fulfilled his part. The beast has not!!

yuck.
but...i'll correct it to be faithful to the Lord's Word (even if you are not).

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

remember this part is about TITUS?
HIS PEOPLE DESTROYED THE CITY.

he-e-e-l-l-l-o-o-o-o?

Only in your head !

how embarrassing for you.

All Isreal is saved at the end of the 7 years.!

too bad you still deny Messiah Fulfilled all 70 weeks.
He was cut off in the 70th week.
there's no future 7 years Scofield fan.

too bad you deny He Finished the Work His Father gave Him to do.
you'd see He Fulfilled His Promise, and the jews (apostles and disciples who DID believe) - the remnant were later (Acts) called CHRISTIANS.

New Covenant...ever heard of it?

if you weren't so lazy you could find out the truth in about an hour of honest study.

That was the purpose of the 70 years. Not at the end of the 1000 years.which follows the 70 years. It is while the final beast is attacking Jerusalem that Chjrist returns, and slaughters evil. Those remaining (those who believe him not the beast) will enter the 1000 years.

But you do not believe in a literal years, even though ALl prophesy has been literally fulfilled. so you can not believe what the bible says.

By the way, You should read what people say, and not assume you know what they believe, otherwise, you prove you have been spoonfed. Which would explain why you keep getting things wrong!!

yawn... blah blah blah....

"Jesus didn't Fulfill all 70 weeks, so i'll believe the Scofields and Hagees and cut off the 70th week and drag it to the future for the GREAT DECEPTION...but everyone will think i'm a g-g-r-r-e-e-a-a-a-t-t student of prophecy"

The Jewish religious people were not playing with foreign Pegan Gods, They did not worship foriegn Gods by practicing pagan ritual.

The romans were practicing pegan rituals, not the jews. !!

not even a blush of shame on your face for knowing NOTHING about The Bible.

Your ignorance amazes me!!!

Yes Jesus was telling him that being abraham's sons does not make them saved. As they thought it did. This does not make them the harlot. Or playing the harlot. The harlot was the roman theology. The jews were not mixing roman theology with their law. They just misinterpreted the purpose of their law. GET A CLUE!

1) JOHN THE BAPTIST spoke that.
2) you claimed their supposed moder-day racial "purity", "untainted" by gentile blood was what was proof of prophecy unfolding.
3) JERUSALEM IS CALLED THE HARLOT. stop making it about jews.

too bad you didn't know ANYTHING about even The Lord's Bloodline.

too bad you're as much a supremacist as others we've seen.

too bad you have no clue what the CHURCH in Ephesians is.

too bad you didn't know ABRAM was a gentile, and received the PROMISE by faith before he ever received the circumcision.

misinterpreted the Purpose of THEIR LAW? ROTFLMHO.

you don't know what happened during the babylonian captivity and after, huh?

you have no idea what the ORAL TRADITIONS Jesus spoke of were (and are, huh)?

why don't you STUDY?

 

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The Jewish religious people were not playing with foreign Pegan Gods, They did not worship foriegn Gods by practicing pagan ritual. The romans were practicing pegan rituals, not the jews.

Ezekiel 8
1And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me. 2Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. 3And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. 4And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.

5Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry. 6He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

7And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. 8Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. 9And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.

10So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. 11And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

12Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. 13He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

14Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

16And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

17Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

where do you think the judaized ROMAN CHURCH learned it? the daughter learned it from HER MOTHER of The MOTHER of HARLOTS and ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

 

[zone]

Interpretaion:

I can't so stop asking

I find it amazing you will spend hours posting all kinds of stuff. But refuse to answer those questions. Again, Silence speaks louder than words. Your fooling no one but yourself!

I would have more respect for you if you at least tried. or said you are not sure and can't, then doing what your doing., Your a hypocrite. you demand everything from others. But you refuse to do what you demand

you're too lazy to read the hundreds of posts i've made on the subject.
you can't be bothered reading the Bible with comprehension.
you like your dispensational televangelist prophecy thrills.
you apparently don't know how to use the resources everyone else has at their disposal.

tut tut....

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you're too lazy to read the hundreds of posts i've made on the subject.
you can't be bothered reading the Bible with comprehension.
you like your dispensational televangelist prophecy thrills.
you apparently don't know how to use the resources everyone else has at their disposal.

tut tut....

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I have read them! You have not answered them!

If you answered them, I would not keep asking.

Not to mention. You find it easy to cut and paste (you do it alot) so it should be easy for you to do it with this.

Again, your silence is loud and clear. Why are you running? Are you afraid?? Whats wrong??

I am not letting up on this, Your personal attacks on everyone that does not agree with you are outlandish, SO I am going to keep on till you answer those question which would prove your right.

 

[zone]

I have read them! You have not answered them!

If you answered them, I would not keep asking.

Not to mention. You find it easy to cut and paste (you do it alot) so it should be easy for you to do it with this.

Again, your silence is loud and clear. Why are you running? Are you afraid?? Whats wrong??

I am not letting up on this, Your personal attacks on everyone that does not agree with you are outlandish, SO I am going to keep on till you answer those question which would prove your right.

sorry pal.
i've answered more than enough times concerning THE GREAT CITY. 1 hour could give you your answers.

you're too lazy to search for yourself.

you're not letting up on this?

hilarious. keep posting. fill your boots.

The Jewish religious people were not playing with foreign Pegan Gods,

They did not worship foriegn Gods by practicing pagan ritual.

The romans were practicing pegan rituals, not the jews. The jews mistake was they misinterpreted the law. And thought they were saved by the law. They did not believe the law showed their need for a savior. thus they were not looking for a savior.

Your ignorance amazes me!!

WHO IS THIS IN EZEKIEL 8?

a) the Pope and cardinals

b) the pagan Romans

c) the "Jewish religious people "

d) i don't know



Ezekiel 8
1And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me. 2Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. 3And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. 4And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.

5Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry. 6He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

7And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. 8Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. 9And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.

10So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. 11And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

12Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. 13He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

14Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

16And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

17Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and,lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.



Tammuz
(Assyrian: ܬܡܘܙ, Hebrew: תַּמּוּז, TransliteratedHebrew: Tammuz, Tiberian Hebrew: Tammûz, Arabic: تمّوز Tammūz; Akkadian: Duʾzu, Dūzu; Sumerian: Dumuzid (DUMU.ZI(D) "faithful or true son") was the name of a Sumerian god of food and vegetation

Ritual mourning
In Babylonia, the month Tammuz was established in honor of the eponymous god Tammuz, who originated as a Sumerian shepherd-god, Dumuzid or Dumuzi, the consort of Inanna and, in his Akkadian form, the parallel consort of Ishtar.

The LevantineAdonis ("lord"), who was drawn into the Greek pantheon, was considered by Joseph Campbell among others to be another counterpart of Tammuz,[1] son and consort. The Aramaic name "Tammuz" seems to have been derived from the Akkadian form Tammuzi, based on early Sumerian Damu-zid.[citation needed] The later standard Sumerian form, Dumu-zid, in turn became Dumuzi in Akkadian.

Beginning with the summer solstice came a time of mourning in the Ancient Near East, as in the Aegean: the Babylonians marked the decline in daylight hours and the onset of killing summer heat and drought with a six-day "funeral" for the god. Recent discoveries reconfirm him as an annual life-death-rebirth deity: tablets discovered in 1963 show that Dumuzi was in fact consigned to the Underworld himself, in order to secure Inanna's release,[2] though the recovered final line reveals that he is to revive for six months of each year (see below).

In cult practice, the dead Tammuz was widely mourned in the Ancient Near East. Locations associated in antiquity with the site of his death include both Harran and Byblos, among others. A Sumerian tablet from Nippur (Ni 4486) reads:
She can make the lament for you, my Dumuzid, the lament for you, the lament, the lamentation, reach the desert — she can make it reach the house Arali; she can make it reach Bad-tibira; she can make it reach Dul-šuba; she can make it reach the shepherding country, the sheepfold of Dumuzid"O Dumuzid of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully, "O you of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully. "Lad, husband, lord, sweet as the date, [...] O Dumuzid!" she sobs, she sobs tearfully.[3]These mourning ceremonies were observed even at the very door of the Temple in Jerusalem to the horror of the Israelite prophet Ezekiel, whose Biblical prophecy expresses Yahweh's anger at His people's apostate worship of idols:

"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Then said he unto to me, 'Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these." —Ezekiel 8:14-15

The Jewish religious people were not playing with foreign Pegan Gods,

They did not worship foriegn Gods by practicing pagan ritual.

The romans were practicing pegan rituals, not the jews. The jews mistake was they misinterpreted the law. And thought they were saved by the law. They did not believe the law showed their need for a savior. thus they were not looking for a savior.

Your ignorance amazes me!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

sorry pal.
i've answered more than enough times concerning THE GREAT CITY. 1 hour could give you your answers.

you're too lazy to search for yourself.

you're not letting up on this?

hilarious. keep posting. fill your boots.

Yeah, You have given us your interpretation of what you think it is. I did not ask you this now did I??'

I asked you to prove how Jerusalem could fulfill 5 of the characteristics which even you yourself gave. which you have NEVER answered, and continue to refuse to answer!!

So I will ask again, and wait for more excuses!

WHO IS THIS IN EZEKIEL 8?

a) the Pope and cardinals

b) the pagan Romans

c) the "Jewish religious people "

d) i don't know



Ezekiel 8
1And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me. 2Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. 3And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. 4And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.

5Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry. 6He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

7And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. 8Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. 9And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.

10So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about. 11And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

12Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth. 13He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

14Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

16And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

17Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and,lo, they put the branch to their nose. 18Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

Ezekial 8 is the jews, WHO AT THE TIME were playing the HARLOT. How many times did God condemn Israel for PLAYING THE HARLOT in the OT.. You can not play the harlot if you are the harlot. For you would be playing with yourself.

Not to mention. Just because the jews PLAYED the harlot in the temple. does not prove that today Jerusalem is the Harlot that will be destroyed in the last days. now does it.

See what I mean, you keep showing passages which you say prove your right. WHEN YOU ARE NOT EVEN ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS I HAVE POSED.

2nd, The jews at the time of Christ who ran the temple would have killed anyone who tried to do this. why? they were not playing the harlot at the time of Christ!!

Tammuz
(Assyrian: ܬܡܘܙ, Hebrew: תַּמּוּז, TransliteratedHebrew: Tammuz, Tiberian Hebrew: Tammûz, Arabic: تمّوز Tammūz; Akkadian: Duʾzu, Dūzu; Sumerian: Dumuzid (DUMU.ZI(D) "faithful or true son") was the name of a Sumerian god of food and vegetation

Ritual mourning
In Babylonia, the month Tammuz was established in honor of the eponymous god Tammuz, who originated as a Sumerian shepherd-god, Dumuzid or Dumuzi, the consort of Inanna and, in his Akkadian form, the parallel consort of Ishtar.

The LevantineAdonis ("lord"), who was drawn into the Greek pantheon, was considered by Joseph Campbell among others to be another counterpart of Tammuz,[1] son and consort. The Aramaic name "Tammuz" seems to have been derived from the Akkadian form Tammuzi, based on early Sumerian Damu-zid.[citation needed] The later standard Sumerian form, Dumu-zid, in turn became Dumuzi in Akkadian.

Beginning with the summer solstice came a time of mourning in the Ancient Near East, as in the Aegean: the Babylonians marked the decline in daylight hours and the onset of killing summer heat and drought with a six-day "funeral" for the god. Recent discoveries reconfirm him as an annual life-death-rebirth deity: tablets discovered in 1963 show that Dumuzi was in fact consigned to the Underworld himself, in order to secure Inanna's release,[2] though the recovered final line reveals that he is to revive for six months of each year (see below).

In cult practice, the dead Tammuz was widely mourned in the Ancient Near East. Locations associated in antiquity with the site of his death include both Harran and Byblos, among others. A Sumerian tablet from Nippur (Ni 4486) reads:
She can make the lament for you, my Dumuzid, the lament for you, the lament, the lamentation, reach the desert — she can make it reach the house Arali; she can make it reach Bad-tibira; she can make it reach Dul-šuba; she can make it reach the shepherding country, the sheepfold of Dumuzid"O Dumuzid of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully, "O you of the fair-spoken mouth, of the ever kind eyes," she sobs tearfully. "Lad, husband, lord, sweet as the date, [...] O Dumuzid!" she sobs, she sobs tearfully.[3]These mourning ceremonies were observed even at the very door of the Temple in Jerusalem to the horror of the Israelite prophet Ezekiel, whose Biblical prophecy expresses Yahweh's anger at His people's apostate worship of idols:
"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Then said he unto to me, 'Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these." —Ezekiel 8:14-15

LOL you do not get it do you. I did not ask about the time of Ezekial. I AM ASKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW!

The jews in the time of exekial were not the harlot. they were playing the harlot. The harlot was the pagan rituals they were practicing. Can't you see this? Where, in the last 1800 years, has the city of Jerusalem been the center for pagan worship which has influence throughout the whole earth??

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The Jewish religious people were not playing with foreign Pegan Gods,

They did not worship foriegn Gods by practicing pagan ritual.

The romans were practicing pegan rituals, not the jews. The jews mistake was they misinterpreted the law. And thought they were saved by the law. They did not believe the law showed their need for a savior. thus they were not looking for a savior.

Your ignorance amazes me!!

So Ezekial was alive while Christ walked the earth? I did not know this. Especially since THIS IS THE TIME I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!

Do you see what I mean when I say you do not read what we say?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let me give you a hand Zone, I will give you three example.

Babylon was the founder of the harlot system

During the greek empire. Greece was the center of the harlot system (the harlot)

During the roman empire. Rome was the center of the harlot system (the harlot)

I do not know who was the center of this system during ezek 8. or who the harlot was.

My question is, How can Jerusalem be the center today? or ever, She has never been the center.

 

[zone]

Yeah, You have given us your interpretation of what you think it is. I did not ask you this now did I??'

I asked you to prove how Jerusalem could fulfill 5 of the characteristics which even you yourself gave. which you have NEVER answered, and continue to refuse to answer!!

nope, sorry.
you'll have to remain in your own error regarding the harlot (it may be God's Will that you remain in it, since you are so blind). if you see he truth on your own, then that's His Will.

i've done enough for you regarding the harlot, and an 8 year old can find out she is Jerusalem.

So I will ask again, and wait for more excuses!!!

do the work yourself.

Ezekial 8 is the jews, WHO AT THE TIME were playing the HARLOT. How many times did God condemn Israel for PLAYING THE HARLOT in the OT.. You can not play the harlot if you are the harlot. For you would be playing with yourself.

typical.
vehemently and repeatedly deny Jerusalem is the harlot, then when you're shown to be in error, pretend you aren't, scramble to make qualifications, ad nauseum.

"You can not play the harlot if you are the harlot."

HAHAHAHHAAHAA......that's rich.

Not to mention. Just because the jews PLAYED the harlot in the temple. does not prove that today Jerusalem is the Harlot that will be destroyed in the last days. now does it.

ppfffttt. if you say so.

See what I mean, you keep showing passages which you say prove your right. WHEN YOU ARE NOT EVEN ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS I HAVE POSED. .

i gave you a freebie with Ezekiel 8.
you can find the same anywhere in the Old and New Testaments.
but clearly you've never read the Bible.

i'm only ansering because I FEEL LIKE IT. you don't deserve ANY answers, since you're lazy and presumptuous.

2nd, The jews at the time of Christ who ran the temple would have killed anyone who tried to do this. why? they were not playing the harlot at the time of Christ!!

they Crucified THE LORD.
but, since you clearly have never even read the Bible, you wouldn't know this.

LOL you do not get it do you. I did not ask about the time of Ezekial. I AM ASKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW!

nothing's changed today.
the same babylonian Religion Jesus confronted is the religion in Jerusalem today.
again, you're too lazy to do ANY learning on your own, so naturally you wouldn't know this.

either that or you are wolf come in to create trouble. i'm leaning towards the second option at this point.

asking? what are you asking me or anyone else for? STUDY YOURSELF.

The jews in the time of exekial were not the harlot. they were playing the harlot. The harlot was the pagan rituals they were practicing. Can't you see this? Where, in the last 1800 years, has the city of Jerusalem been the center for pagan worship which has influence throughout the whole earth??
So Ezekial was alive while Christ walked the earth? I did not know this. Especially since THIS IS THE TIME I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!

Do you see what I mean when I say you do not read what we say?
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blah blah blah.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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nope, sorry.
you'll have to remain in your own error regarding the harlot (it may be God's Will that you remain in it, since you are so blind). if you see he truth on your own, then that's His Will.

i've done enough for you regarding the harlot, and an 8 year old can find out she is Jerusalem.

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do the work yourself.

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typical.
vehemently and repeatedly deny Jerusalem is the harlot, then when you're shown to be in error, pretend you aren't, scramble to make qualifications, ad nauseum.

"You can not play the harlot if you are the harlot."

HAHAHAHHAAHAA......that's rich.
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ppfffttt. if you say so.
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i gave you a freebie with Ezekiel 8.
you can find the same anywhere in the Old and New Testaments.
but clearly you've never read the Bible.

i'm only ansering because I FEEL LIKE IT. you don't deserve ANY answers, since you're lazy and presumptuous.



they Crucified THE LORD.
but, since you clearly have never even read the Bible, you wouldn't know this.
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nothing's changed today.
the same babylonian Religion Jesus confronted is the religion in Jerusalem today.
again, you're too lazy to do ANY learning on your own, so naturally you wouldn't know this.

either that or you are wolf come in to create trouble. i'm leaning towards the second option at this point.

asking? what are you asking me or anyone else for? STUDY YOURSELF.



blah blah blah.

Well it is obvious you do not know what the harlot is. or what the system is. Buts thats fine, Remind blinded. I fear you will find out one day, and will not like what you see.

Jesus did not confront the harlot. The Jews were not practicing pagan ritual in the days of Christ. Your flat wrong. At the time of Christ. The city of Rome was the harlot. The high priest was in Rome, NOT JERUSALEM.

But remain blind.

And blah blah yourself.

 

[Ramon]

Zone and Eternally, both of you are out of line here. You are both talking head knowledge. Just stop before it gets worse.

 

[zone]

Let me give you a hand Zone, I will give you three example.

My question is, How can Jerusalem be the center today? or ever, She has never been the center.

HINT: CLICK TALMUD


The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple. All maintream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.

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This article is about the Jewish religion. For consideration of ethnic, historic, and cultural aspects of the Jewish identity, see Jews.

eJudaism is the "religion, philosophy, and way of life" of the Jewish people.[1]

Originating in the Hebrew Bible (also known as the Tanakh) and explored in later texts such as the Talmud, it is considered by Jews to be the expression of the covenantal relationship God developed with the Children of Israel.

According to traditional Rabbinic Judaism, God revealed his laws and commandments to Moses on Mount Sinai in the form of both the Written and Oral Torah.[2]

This was historically challenged by the Karaites, a movement that flourished in the medieval period, retains several thousand followers today and maintains that only the Written Torah was revealed.[3] In modern times, liberal movements such as Humanistic Judaism may be nontheistic.[4]

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Mark 7
1Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. 2And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. 3For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. 4And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. 5Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[zone]

Zone and Eternally, both of you are out of line here. You are both talking head knowledge. Just stop before it gets worse.

hi ramon.
yes, i'm acting rude. i apologize for that....hard not to tho

as for head knowledge...i've read the bible and know what it says.
the bible is God's Word.

i make NO apologies for THAT.
zone.

 

[zone]

Well it is obvious you do not know what the harlot is. or what the system is. Buts thats fine, Remind blinded. I fear you will find out one day, and will not like what you see.

Jesus did not confront the harlot. The Jews were not practicing pagan ritual in the days of Christ. Your flat wrong. At the time of Christ. The city of Rome was the harlot. The high priest was in Rome, NOT JERUSALEM.

But remain blind.

And blah blah yourself.

sure thing.
believe what you want.