Has an equal opportunity for salvation been given to all people in all time periods?

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Has an equal opportunity for salvation been given to all people in all time periods?

  • Yes, an equal opportunity for salvation has been given to all people in all time periods

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No, an equal opportunity for salvation has not been given to all people in all time periods

    Votes: 9 56.3%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16

UnitedWithChrist

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The question is pretty simple.

Has an equal opportunity for salvation been given to all people in all time periods?

My conviction is NO. No one receives salvation outside of Christ, and many have never heard his name nor been told about a coming Redeemer.

Those who are saved are presented with a gospel message about Christ (or a coming sacrifice for sin), and the Holy Spirit quickens them, causing them to respond in faith and repentance. Faith in what? Faith in Jesus.

Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Romans 10:8-13 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

What about Old Testament saints?

My position is that 1) many knew a future redeemer was coming and 2) those that didn't knew God would make a provision for them in some manner.

They may not have understood all the details, but they were not in denial about their sinfulness and their need for salvation.

Job 19:25 For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth.

Why is this an issue? Free-willers, who believe in a universal salvation opportunity, claim that everyone has received an opportunity for salvation. Some even claim that salvation was about works for them, and about faith for others.

Why? Because of their entitlement mentality, which is a Western presupposition.

Often, they cite Romans 1, 2 in this regard.

Romans 1, 2 is discussing general revelation. All have received a witness to God's existence. Romans 3 indicates that all are under sin, though..in other words, despite this general revelation (or even specific revelation that the Jews had), they continued to sin and rebel against God.

Romans 3:9-20
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”[b] 13 “Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.” “The poison of vipers is on their lips. 14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 ruin and misery mark their ways, 17 and the way of peace they do not know.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

The Gentiles, who did not know the law, "knew" God, in a sense, through the revelation of nature and their messed-up consciences, yet still disobeyed. The Jews, who knew God through the law rebelled against him despite their advanced special revelation.

That is why justification by grace through faith is needed, and has always been needed (read Romans 4, which says that both Abraham and David received imputed righteousness through faith in Jesus).

Additionally, can anyone be saved by works? NO. No one has been perfectly obedient, even by their own standards, so they cannot be justified by works. The Gentile who knew about Christ, no matter what civic virtue he exercised, was still a sinful human being, therefore could not be justified by works.

Yet, universal salvation opportunity people claim that all mankind has received sufficient (and sometimes equal) knowledge of Jesus or a coming sacrifice for sin in order to place their faith in Him, or the coming redeemer.

Do I think this is true? NO. The problem is that Acts states that AT THAT TIME a door was opened to Gentiles for salvation:

Acts 14:27 And when they arrived and gathered the church together, they declared all that God had done with them, and how he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles.

The door was opened at that time, not before. There were some scattered Gentiles saved in the OT, including Rahab, as a type of what would happen in the future, but Gentiles as a whole were not offered salvation.

Now, we need to be careful to re-cast Scripture (and God) into how we think things MUST be rather than how they are, and to minimize the greatness of what Jesus did at the Cross, because of our equal opportunity presupposition. Remember that God drown all but eight people in the Flood.

So, here's the basic question: has everyone in all time periods received an equal opportunity for salvation?

Support your response with Scripture, if you disagree and are able to prove your view, in context.

If you think I'm wrong, explain to me how I am wrong, IN CONTEXT. I welcome serious challenges.
 

UnitedWithChrist

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By the way, at least two cults claim that there is a post-mortem opportunity for salvation due to their acknowledgement of this "problem" if one holds a free-willer position that everyone has received an equal opportunity for salvation.

These groups claim that no one but their group has received an opportunity for salvation, but that the rest will receive such an opportunity in the reign of Jesus or Jehovah in the Millennium.

One group is the Armstrongites (followers of Herbert Armstrong). The other is the Jehovah's Witnesses.

This is how they deal with the question. I don't think God has offered an equal opportunity for salvation to everyone, nor do I think he is required to. Salvation isn't an entitlement.

I believe there has always been a "remnant" of believers, though, who were brought to faith by God, across all time periods. In Noah's day, it was eight people. Now, it is a lot of people from many tribes, tongues and nations.

But, I am not naive enough to think that everyone has heard of the only name by which they can be saved, or that a man can be saved outside of this name.
 

UnitedWithChrist

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John 14: 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

By the way, cults prey on those that insist there is another solution to the unevangelized unsaved.

They also tend to teach annihilationism, to appeal to individuals who don't think eternal punishment is "fair".
 
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The question is pretty simple.

Has an equal opportunity for salvation been given to all people in all time periods?

My conviction is NO. No one receives salvation outside of Christ, and many have never heard his name nor been told about a coming Redeemer.

Those who are saved are presented with a gospel message about Christ (or a coming sacrifice for sin), and the Holy Spirit quickens them, causing them to respond in faith and repentance. Faith in what? Faith in Jesus.

Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Romans 10:8-13 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

What about Old Testament saints?

My position is that 1) many knew a future redeemer was coming and 2) those that didn't knew God would make a provision for them in some manner.

They may not have understood all the details, but they were not in denial about their sinfulness and their need for salvation.

Job 19:25 For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth.

Why is this an issue? Free-willers, who believe in a universal salvation opportunity, claim that everyone has received an opportunity for salvation. Some even claim that salvation was about works for them, and about faith for others.

Why? Because of their entitlement mentality, which is a Western presupposition.

Often, they cite Romans 1, 2 in this regard.

Romans 1, 2 is discussing general revelation. All have received a witness to God's existence. Romans 3 indicates that all are under sin, though..in other words, despite this general revelation (or even specific revelation that the Jews had), they continued to sin and rebel against God.

Romans 3:9-20
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”[b] 13 “Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.” “The poison of vipers is on their lips. 14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 ruin and misery mark their ways, 17 and the way of peace they do not know.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

The Gentiles, who did not know the law, "knew" God, in a sense, through the revelation of nature and their messed-up consciences, yet still disobeyed. The Jews, who knew God through the law rebelled against him despite their advanced special revelation.

That is why justification by grace through faith is needed, and has always been needed (read Romans 4, which says that both Abraham and David received imputed righteousness through faith in Jesus).

Additionally, can anyone be saved by works? NO. No one has been perfectly obedient, even by their own standards, so they cannot be justified by works. The Gentile who knew about Christ, no matter what civic virtue he exercised, was still a sinful human being, therefore could not be justified by works.

Yet, universal salvation opportunity people claim that all mankind has received sufficient (and sometimes equal) knowledge of Jesus or a coming sacrifice for sin in order to place their faith in Him, or the coming redeemer.

Do I think this is true? NO. The problem is that Acts states that AT THAT TIME a door was opened to Gentiles for salvation:

Acts 14:27 And when they arrived and gathered the church together, they declared all that God had done with them, and how he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles.

The door was opened at that time, not before. There were some scattered Gentiles saved in the OT, including Rahab, as a type of what would happen in the future, but Gentiles as a whole were not offered salvation.

Now, we need to be careful to re-cast Scripture (and God) into how we think things MUST be rather than how they are, and to minimize the greatness of what Jesus did at the Cross, because of our equal opportunity presupposition. Remember that God drown all but eight people in the Flood.

So, here's the basic question: has everyone in all time periods received an equal opportunity for salvation?

Support your response with Scripture, if you disagree and are able to prove your view, in context.

If you think I'm wrong, explain to me how I am wrong, IN CONTEXT. I welcome serious challenges.
The Gentiles were largely ignored by God ever since Genesis 12, until Paul was raised as our Apostle.

So the answer is no, definitely not equal opportunity. Ephesians 2 stated

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
 
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@UnitedWithChrist thank you for this thread, and to the staff for approving it. (y)

Now, Paul said 1 Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.[Romans 3] Now, Paul plainly stated that the Jews had been entrusted with the very oracles(word) of God. I want @Nehemiah6 and @notuptome to show me any place in the OT where anyone other than the nation of Israel had been entrusted with the oracles(word) of God. Show me this. I want them to show me that God used them to spread His word amongst other nations. I want them to show me the relationship they had that was the same with Israel. Surely if God wishes all to be saved, He would have entrusted them with His word, too, right?

Then later on in Romans 9 Paul wrote 1 I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, 5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.[Romans 9] I want @Nehemiah6 and @notuptome to show me where any other nation other than Israel had all these which I bolded. I want them to show me where any other nation other than Israel had a high priest that interceded to God on their behalf. I want them to show me where God gave them a sacrificial system that atoned for their sins. I want them to show me where they had a scapegoat that expiated their sins as well.

“You only have I chosen among all the families of the earth; Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.”[Amos 3:2] The KJV uses 'known' where as the NASB uses 'chosen' as they both mean the same exact thing. God 'knowing' them means an intimate relationship with them, not merely prescience. I want @Nehemiah6 and @notuptome to show me where He told any other nation other than Israel "You only have I choisen among al the families of the earth; Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.”

And I don't want this saying that God chose Israel for this or that, or that the other nations were more wicked than Israel, as He plainly said why He chose Israel 7 The LORD did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, 8 but because the LORD loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers, the LORD brought you out by a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.[Deuteronomy 7] There was nothing special in Israel that attracted God to them. There was nothing missing in the other nations that Israel had that made Him chose them, either.

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1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. 2 The Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, along with some of the vessels of the house of God; and he brought them to the land of Shinar, to the house of his god, and he brought the vessels into the treasury of his god.[Daniel 1]

but into the second, only the high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance.[Hebrews 9:7]

Now, only the High Priest was allowed to enter into the holy place in the temple, and that with blood. How was it that these Babylonians were able to go in without blood and take these vessels and not suffer death? No other Jew other than the High Priest was allowed to enter, and he could only do this once a year, and not any time he chose to. Yet these Babylonians waltzed right in there and took possession of some of these vessels. Hmmmm...

1 Now the Philistines took the ark of God and brought it from Ebenezer to Ashdod. 2 Then the Philistines took the ark of God and brought it to the house of Dagon and set it by Dagon.[1 Samuel 5]

6 But when they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out toward the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen nearly upset it. 7 And the anger of the LORD burned against Uzzah, and God struck him down there for his irreverence; and he died there by the ark of God.[2 Samuel 6]

Now, why did God slay Uzzah for touching the Ark of the Covenant, but the Philistines were not harmed when they carried it and laid it by their god Dagon? Hmmmm...


Here's why. The Babylonians and Philistines were not in a covenant with God and the demands God placed upon Israel in regards to going into the holy place and touching the Ark of the Covenant were not binding upon the other nations surrounding Israel. That is why they could do what they did and not incur death, where as the Jews, when they did that, they incurred God's wrath. :)
 

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The Old Testament Patriarchs did not know Christ, but they will meet with God. We know God looks on the heart and I do not believe a loving God would condemn people to hell because they were born in the wrong era or the wrong place.
 

TooFastTurtle

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Of course not. In the OT the odds of a man being saved were signifcantly less because the Holy Spirit was not yet sent and the grace of God bringing salvation to all people had not appeared yet.

You had to join the nation of Israel, or follow your conscience to the point of Jesus coming to preach the gospel to you during that 3day period that Peter talks about.

The way of salvation today is believe the Gospel
 

notuptome

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Contrary to the grandiose proclamations of our hyper Calvinist friends God has been saving souls by grace through faith since Adam in the garden.

Job is a very old book and gives testimony to the concept of salvation by grace through faith. Where did this theology come from? I suggest that the word of God was known throughout the world from Adam forward and restored with Noah after the flood. Romans chapter one testifies that men are not without a witness of God because all of nature testifies to Him and His goodness.

The premise posed in the OP is false and intended to provoke false ideas that have no basis in biblical truth. God deals with men through the covenants of time but always by grace through faith. I'm surprised that we want to go into dispensational teaching here due to its lack of favor among many. Well let's go and see what else he does not know about God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Lightskin

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The question is pretty simple.

Has an equal opportunity for salvation been given to all people in all time periods?

My conviction is NO. No one receives salvation outside of Christ, and many have never heard his name nor been told about a coming Redeemer.

Those who are saved are presented with a gospel message about Christ (or a coming sacrifice for sin), and the Holy Spirit quickens them, causing them to respond in faith and repentance. Faith in what? Faith in Jesus.

Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Romans 10:8-13 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

What about Old Testament saints?

My position is that 1) many knew a future redeemer was coming and 2) those that didn't knew God would make a provision for them in some manner.

They may not have understood all the details, but they were not in denial about their sinfulness and their need for salvation.

Job 19:25 For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth.

Why is this an issue? Free-willers, who believe in a universal salvation opportunity, claim that everyone has received an opportunity for salvation. Some even claim that salvation was about works for them, and about faith for others.

Why? Because of their entitlement mentality, which is a Western presupposition.

Often, they cite Romans 1, 2 in this regard.

Romans 1, 2 is discussing general revelation. All have received a witness to God's existence. Romans 3 indicates that all are under sin, though..in other words, despite this general revelation (or even specific revelation that the Jews had), they continued to sin and rebel against God.

Romans 3:9-20
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”[b] 13 “Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.” “The poison of vipers is on their lips. 14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 ruin and misery mark their ways, 17 and the way of peace they do not know.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

The Gentiles, who did not know the law, "knew" God, in a sense, through the revelation of nature and their messed-up consciences, yet still disobeyed. The Jews, who knew God through the law rebelled against him despite their advanced special revelation.

That is why justification by grace through faith is needed, and has always been needed (read Romans 4, which says that both Abraham and David received imputed righteousness through faith in Jesus).

Additionally, can anyone be saved by works? NO. No one has been perfectly obedient, even by their own standards, so they cannot be justified by works. The Gentile who knew about Christ, no matter what civic virtue he exercised, was still a sinful human being, therefore could not be justified by works.

Yet, universal salvation opportunity people claim that all mankind has received sufficient (and sometimes equal) knowledge of Jesus or a coming sacrifice for sin in order to place their faith in Him, or the coming redeemer.

Do I think this is true? NO. The problem is that Acts states that AT THAT TIME a door was opened to Gentiles for salvation:

Acts 14:27 And when they arrived and gathered the church together, they declared all that God had done with them, and how he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles.

The door was opened at that time, not before. There were some scattered Gentiles saved in the OT, including Rahab, as a type of what would happen in the future, but Gentiles as a whole were not offered salvation.

Now, we need to be careful to re-cast Scripture (and God) into how we think things MUST be rather than how they are, and to minimize the greatness of what Jesus did at the Cross, because of our equal opportunity presupposition. Remember that God drown all but eight people in the Flood.

So, here's the basic question: has everyone in all time periods received an equal opportunity for salvation?

Support your response with Scripture, if you disagree and are able to prove your view, in context.

If you think I'm wrong, explain to me how I am wrong, IN CONTEXT. I welcome serious challenges.
God is merciful to whomever He chooses to be merciful. His words, not mine.
 

UnitedWithChrist

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The Gentiles were largely ignored by God ever since Genesis 12, until Paul was raised as our Apostle.

So the answer is no, definitely not equal opportunity. Ephesians 2 stated

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Thanks for that Scripture. There are times when I wonder why I didn't think about this or that Scripture when formulating my argument on something...this is one of those occasions :)

By the way, this Scripture is a plain statement AGAINST free-willer claims that all have received an opportunity (or equal opportunity) for salvation, and that this is necessary for a fair God.

The fair thing is that all would go to eternal punishment..the gracious thing is that God saves the elect through Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice.
 

Lightskin

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Thanks for that Scripture. There are times when I wonder why I didn't think about this or that Scripture when formulating my argument on something...this is one of those occasions :)

By the way, this Scripture is a plain statement AGAINST free-willer claims that all have received an opportunity (or equal opportunity) for salvation, and that this is necessary for a fair God.

The fair thing is that all would go to eternal punishment..the gracious thing is that God saves the elect through Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice.
Jesus has stated quite clearly that He will lose none of whom the Father has given Him. God is not encased in our concept of time, therefore if God chose to give Jesus anyone who walked the Earth before Jesus did, then so be it.
 

Laish

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The Old Testament Patriarchs did not know Christ, but they will meet with God. We know God looks on the heart and I do not believe a loving God would condemn people to hell because they were born in the wrong era or the wrong place.
God dose not use the qualifications you state in the above highlighted area. Nor is anyone arguing that he dose . That is a falsehood , a straw man argument.

Romans 3:21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

It is the sin that the guilty are judged not because of location or the time one is in .
Again
Romans 3:
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Blessings
Bill
 
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Contrary to the grandiose proclamations of our hyper Calvinist friends God has been saving souls by grace through faith since Adam in the garden.

Job is a very old book and gives testimony to the concept of salvation by grace through faith. Where did this theology come from? I suggest that the word of God was known throughout the world from Adam forward and restored with Noah after the flood. Romans chapter one testifies that men are not without a witness of God because all of nature testifies to Him and His goodness.

The premise posed in the OP is false and intended to provoke false ideas that have no basis in biblical truth. God deals with men through the covenants of time but always by grace through faith. I'm surprised that we want to go into dispensational teaching here due to its lack of favor among many. Well let's go and see what else he does not know about God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Instead of the customary insult, care to respond to my post # 5? All you guys do when you can’t answer is deflect and say you have bigger fish to fry, or ignore it, or just insult. But you won’t address that which shoots a gaping hole in you theology.

Now, will you please address post # 5 instead of offering an insult?