Who was formed before the earth was formed?

[NEWS]

The LORD spoke to Job out of the storm, "Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand." (Job 38:1-4)
And in verse 21 the God said, "Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!" And the God also said “Look at Behemoth, which I drew along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox" (Job 40:15)
Is this true that a man Job and an animal were born before the earth was formed?. But on the contrary, it founds in the Bible that after creating the earth, God made man and all the livestock and wild animals out of the dust of the earth, as it is written, "Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name" (Genesis 2:19)
Think over this matter, and kindly answer! Is it a big mistake or mystery?

 

[breno785au]

I think you missed the sarcasm in God's statement.

 

[Sipsey]

The LORD spoke to Job out of the storm, "Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand." (Job 38:1-4)
And in verse 21 the God said, "Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!" And the God also said “Look at Behemoth, which I drew along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox" (Job 40:15)
Is this true that a man Job and an animal were born before the earth was formed?. But on the contrary, it founds in the Bible that after creating the earth, God made man and all the livestock and wild animals out of the dust of the earth, as it is written, "Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name" (Genesis 2:19)
Think over this matter, and kindly answer! Is it a big mistake or mystery?

Sarcasm for sure, with a question mark where your translation has an exclamation point!

 

[Locoponydirtman]

This is why you should have paid attention in English/literature class.

 

[DB7]

...and sorry for creating a diversion here, but this has always been my grievance about biblical interpretation. What just occurred here is something that neither sound hermeneutical, nor exegetical practices can circumvent. There comes a point where one's wisdom and interpretation overrides all the foundational principles that may have initially been applied.
What started off as a perceived intriguing discussion worthy of a length thread, was debunked by the first post with a 10 word sentence (maybe something that we've all been guilty of).
NEWS, i don't mean to be brutal or sarcastic, this is a lesson to all of us, i.e. what are the requirements of sound biblical exegesis?
I personally believe that, again, after all the hermeneutical and exegetical fundamental principles have been applied, there comes an intangible insight derived from maturity and wisdom that is mandatory in interpreting the text, and that one cannot be certain where this endowment comes from.
i.e. the worst exegetes I know are the ones who state 'I just read what it says', or 'I ask the Holy Spirit for guidance'!
Again, sorry guys, if this is neither the time or place for this. My apologies again NEWS, I don't mean to be disparaging, but i see this on every thread so far, real far-fetched analysis of the scriptures.

 

[MattforJesus]

The LORD spoke to Job out of the storm, "Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand." (Job 38:1-4)
And in verse 21 the God said, "Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!" And the God also said “Look at Behemoth, which I drew along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox" (Job 40:15)
Is this true that a man Job and an animal were born before the earth was formed?. But on the contrary, it founds in the Bible that after creating the earth, God made man and all the livestock and wild animals out of the dust of the earth, as it is written, "Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name" (Genesis 2:19)
Think over this matter, and kindly answer! Is it a big mistake or mystery?

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

God is not saying that Job was born before He laid down the foundation of the earth, but said how do you know how I created things, and the understanding of those things, for were you there, and do you have that kind of intellect, which God said where were you when I laid down the foundation of the earth which Job was not there.

It is like a person that tells a story and someone adds to it and they say how do you know were you there.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

...and sorry for creating a diversion here, but this has always been my grievance about biblical interpretation. What just occurred here is something that neither sound hermeneutical, nor exegetical practices can circumvent. There comes a point where one's wisdom and interpretation overrides all the foundational principles that may have initially been applied.
What started off as a perceived intriguing discussion worthy of a length thread, was debunked by the first post with a 10 word sentence (maybe something that we've all been guilty of).
NEWS, i don't mean to be brutal or sarcastic, this is a lesson to all of us, i.e. what are the requirements of sound biblical exegesis?
I personally believe that, again, after all the hermeneutical and exegetical fundamental principles have been applied, there comes an intangible insight derived from maturity and wisdom that is mandatory in interpreting the text, and that one cannot be certain where this endowment comes from.
i.e. the worst exegetes I know are the ones who state 'I just read what it says', or 'I ask the Holy Spirit for guidance'!
Again, sorry guys, if this is neither the time or place for this. My apologies again NEWS, I don't mean to be disparaging, but i see this on every thread so far, real far-fetched analysis of the scriptures.

I guess that I may be missing your point here, but what is so intriguing to discuss about this subject?
My grievance about Biblical interpretation is that people read the Bible looking for mystical, mysterious, stuff that just isn't there.
There is mystery and intrigue in the Bible. I would rather discuss that, not read comprehension errors.
If you think there is merit to this thread, go on and tease it out for us. If you come up with something I'll be glad to discuss it with everyone.

 

[DB7]

I guess that I may be missing your point here, but what is so intriguing to discuss about this subject?
My grievance about Biblical interpretation is that people read the Bible looking for mystical, mysterious, stuff that just isn't there.
There is mystery and intrigue in the Bible. I would rather discuss that, not read comprehension errors.
If you think there is merit to this thread, go on and tease it out for us. If you come up with something I'll be glad to discuss it with everyone.

Well, like I said, it may be a bit untimely for this thread, and more appropriate for its own thread. But, it was just the fact that such a blatant error took place, that i thought that I'd catch the culprit as it happened.
I agree with you about people extrapolating too much from a text that isn't warranted, and correlating passages that have no association, as major grievances too.
But again, I felt that this was a prime example of the sobriety, prudence and wisdom, ie. intangibles, required to interpret sacred text.
And, if I may, you may have missed the point as you stated, if you don't see the necessity of addressing such a topic. Heresies abound from such indiscretions and misconstruing the intent behind a pericope. Expressing conclusions is valid exercise, as is equally, how we got there.
Again, I apologize if it was an inappropriate manner in which I broached this subject. And I apologize to NEWS if I offended him or appeared to have sabotaged his thread.

 

[Nehemiah6]

And in verse 21 the God said, "Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!" And the God also said “Look at Behemoth, which I drew along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox" (Job 40:15)
Is this true that a man Job and an animal were born before the earth was formed?.

This is what happens when people use faulty translations.

JOB 38:21 -- A RHETORICAL QUESTION
Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
JOB 40:15 -- BEHEMOTH A CONTEMPORARY OF JOB
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

What is God telling Job? That no man was present at the creation of the universe. That Job cannot possibly comprehend the wonders of creation. And that there is no Savior other than God.

 

[DeighAnn]

Maybe the questions should be: Are there things that could only be explained by an age before this age? And everyone said "Oh my God that would be crazy". Yet not a single person would say that about the new age that is coming, would they?

Are there things written IN THE WORD OF GOD, that straight out tell us YES, there was an age before this one? Yes.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water
2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished (who knows what PERISHED means?)
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (you can stay willingly ignorant, or you can seek and find)

And everyone says "that was the flood of Noahs time". So tell me this, was Creation after the flood of Noah, or before?
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Another question one might ask themselves is "DID GOD create the earth without form and void and in darkness? What does the WORD OF GOD say?
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens God himself that formed the earth and made it he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

So if God himself formed the earth, created not in vain, formed it to be inhabited "How is it "it became without form and void and darkness upon the face of the deep" as we find in Gen 1:2? Does the WORD OF GOD speak to this??
Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart, my heart maketh a noise in me, I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT SKIP OVER THAT VERSE LIKE IT IS JUST ANOTHER VERSE IN THE WORD.

I don't know how many have lost someone suddenly and unexpectedly and in a devastating fashion but IF you have, you know, you become almost hollow on the inside, you can't breathe, your guts hurt and feel like they are in a vice, you can feel your heart almost, melting, forgetting how to beat. It drops you to your knees and prayer to God is the only thing possible and only by the strength of God do you take that next breath, and stand again. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST DEVASTATING VERSES IN THE BIBLE.

Don't miss that sound of the trumpet, it shall be sounding again soon.
Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me they are sottish children, and they have none understanding, they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate yet will I not make a full end.
Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Some will say "this is future", but no, that is coming by fire because "no more floods", remember the rainbow.
Some will say "this is Noahs flood" but THERE WAS A MAN IN NOAHS FLOOD, when you compare the two events you will find them to be VERY DIFFERENT. Did the earth become without form and void and WAS THE SKY BLACK, WITHOUT LIGHT? And everyone knows what happens when a meteor hits the earth and the dust blocks out the sun for a while? Imagine a sky with NO LIGHT, that would get cold quite fast.

And everyone does know why.

Now once you get a hold of that concept, that knowledge, hopefully you will pray for some wisdom and understanding.

And when you receive that, then ask to receive this. If you don't, this all just sounds like Blah blah blah.

Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Job 38:14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

Job 38:15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.


It really answers more questions than it asks.

How was there evil in the garden of Eden. God didn't create Satan evil, He created him the full pattern. When did he change?
Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau?
How is it if all have free will, can he 'PREORDAIN" some?
How is it He foreknew?
Why did He say "RE plenish" the earth
What did Peter mean when he said "the earth that was" and the earth that now is?
How are some chosen to be Gods "the elect"?
When did Satan draw 1/3 of Gods children?


Everyone know that you can not understand the END without knowing the beginning?

 

[DeighAnn]

JOB 40:15 -- BEHEMOTH A CONTEMPORARY OF JOB
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee he eateth grass as an ox.

Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

Job 40:18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

Job 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

Job 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

Job 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

Job 40:22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

Job 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

Job 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.


Fitting description of a Diplodocus carnegii, or a Brachiosaurus

 

[DeighAnn]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Fitting description of a Diplodocus carnegii, or a Brachiosaurus

Except that the dinosaurs were extinct by then. It could apply to the rhino or the hippo. Evidently dinosaurs disappeared after the Flood.

 

[DeighAnn]

Except that the dinosaurs were extinct by then. It could apply to the rhino or the hippo. Evidently dinosaurs disappeared after the Flood.

So you believe that dinosaurs roamed in the times of Adam and Eve? All the way up until the time of Noah?


WHEN was this?

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

By the time we see Satan, iniquity has been found in him, he is now in the role of the serpent in the garden.