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EleventhHour

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If we are in WILlFUL Sin WE are promoting bondage and ignoring or devaluing JESUS, HIS WORK, GRACE and the Fact that the debt of sin has been PAID IN FULL
:eek: The sun must have been in my eyes when typing

Correction...

What devalues Grace, His Work and Jesus, is stating the work of his death and resurrection is insufficient to save completely and that there is something we add to His work.
 

Lightskin

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There is so much wrong with this I it would take a month to dismember it.

However I do find this statement very troubling.



Why is so hard to understand that only Jesus is righteous, and salvation is a free gift....received by faith apart from works!

Your righteous living cannot add to it. And yes God is concerned about sin in the believers life because He loves us and He knows sin is always destructive.

So please do not confuse salvation (a one time event, born from above) and growing in Christ.

And please provide the link. Thank you.
Welcome to CC, EleventhHour. You’re a breath of fresh air. May God always bless you as you share His free, unmerited, irrevocable grace with others in a glorifying manner. 😎
 
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Welcome to CC, EleventhHour. You’re a breath of fresh air. May God always bless you as you share His free, unmerited, irrevocable grace with others in a glorifying manner. 😎
Thank you, when I really understood the "completed work of Christ" even though I had been a born again believer for a while, it was a game changer.

Words cannot express my joy at having gained this deeper understanding ... it did come at a cost but well worth it. :)

and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith.…
Phil 3:9
 
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EleventhHour

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Where sin abounds, GRACE ABOUNDS THE MORE <-- written to believers

ALL SIN has been dealt with at the cross.....the problem ->> deceivers that place more emphasis upon sin while promoting bondage and ignoring or devaluing JESUS, HIS WORK, GRACE and the Fact that the debt of sin has been PAID IN FULL......
In reading that whole passage that was posted, a painful experience I might add, so true most of the emphasis on sin and little on the work of Jesus.
 

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That's early. I also woke up at about 4am this morning (it is currently 6pm here) I had a dream that I was on the titanic and knew it was about to sink. I could see the ship slowly filling up with water and then I woke up. Have no idea what that means?
Dear, dear friend of God, your dream has already been interpreted, others have already had your dream and interpretted it for you. The Titanic was considered unsincable; this world's sistem and its so called supper powers, considered insinkable. Some say the economic colapse will happen at the end of this year. I did not believe it, but with your dream of the ship already begining to fill with water... I am aware that the economic colapse already began, as America is already bankrupt and its just a matter of time, but i was still thinking: not this year. Though righ now I see your dream relates to the Church filling up with watter as being filling up with and conformed to the world, and I had a deam of us becoming like the world this morning. First to explain, in revelation there is a whore standing on many waters, "These are the nations she has power over." We know the True Church will not sink or at least those who overcome the world will make it in the life boats. Did you know that many of the Churches in america believe and are thought that they are powerless and believe it; remaining babes in Christ quareling among one another. I warned Dcontroversial of his judgmental attitude yesterday and for a moment there was unresolved anger in me, tho i did let it go and as I went to bed the Holy Spirit warned me to watch that it dosent hapoen to me. Then i dreampt that i was being attacked in my dream by two such quarelsome babes, I was afraid and angry and as I repeated: why are you doing this, I cut of the fingers of my left hand, somehow they calmed down and one with blond hair told me: you can put your fingers back on now. I told Him: I dont know how, I gues I will have to go to the doctor. Interestingly in the dream, I had cut the fingers of my left hand off, having the sword in my right hand but when i looked it was my right hand holding the sword missing the fingers: what we think we are doing to others we are doing to ourselves. I knew this and its why I only had the unresolved anger for a moment and let it go, but the Lord still warned me and showed me the consequences. That would be why babes are powerless: as we quarel we unable to walk in thevHoly Spirit and unable to rightly hold the Sword of the Spirit...
 

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The writer in Hebrews is stating if we reject the full work of Christ ( an act of grace) then no sacrifice for willful sin remains, because there was none under the old system......so in essence you have completely backwards.

And btw most all sins are willful.
Yes, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle in the context of Hebrews 10 shows a continuous rejection of the full work of Christ and no sacrifice remains/no further offering in which to look forward.
 
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Most people remain in the first Revelation of salvation they receive, few go on to perfection. Few learn obedience through suffering, and remain cough up with thwmaelves rather than cough up to God. Thought there is nothing they can do, but not thought that, "If you believe, all things are possible with God." Many have faith without obedience of Love and remain babes, babes are described in the bible as quarelsome and divided. A time of trouble such as never was is apointed for us to grow in Love "Faith works by Love."
Perhaps you have not read the following...

John 10:27-28
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Or perhaps, your prejudice has blinded you to think only a few believers will be saved.

Revelation 7:9-14
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”
13Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” 14I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

"babes are described in the bible as quarelsome and divided"
You need to look in the mirror and realize you are pointing at yourself!
 
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EleventhHour

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Yes, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle in the context of Hebrews 10 shows a continuous rejection of the full work of Christ and no sacrifice remains/no further offering in which to look forward.
Thank you for the response.... I really like it when people engage me in discussion

Yes I would agree, but there is more.....we have to be careful because we know salvation cannot be forsaken or taken away.

Would you agree that these are Jews who have been converted, accepted Jesus as Savior but are now returning to the works of the law....probably because of tremendous pressure?
 
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In reading that whole passage that was posted, a painful experience I might add, so true most of the emphasis on sin and little on the work of Jesus.
Exactly.....such are the ways of salvation losers, workers for and Cainologists......all about them...very little, if anything to do with Jesus and his work. One reason I rarely engage him and a handful of others on this site! They constantly devalue Jesus and drag him through the hyper religious mud pit by their fraudulent gospels!
 
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Exactly.....such are the ways of salvation losers, workers for and Cainologists......all about them...very little, if anything to do with Jesus and his work. One reason I rarely engage him and a handful of others on this site! They constantly devalue Jesus and drag him through the hyper religious mud pit by their fraudulent gospels!
Their eyes are focused on themselves and prefer their own darkness rather than the light.... maybe I am wrong but that is what I think.
 
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This is not about wether Jesus paid it all or not: we know He did. This is about, "Where your treadure is, there your heat will be also," and many other like things Jesus also said. "Strive to enter in at the straight gate, for I say to you that many shall seek to enter in and shall not be able." Do you know why they are umable to? You should know? I just mentioned, the verse before. Some of you think the bible cant be taken out of context, practically saying the bible dosent aply to you, and the part you believe, you distort and judge others like me who see difetently and put yourself under judgment of the dead works you speak against, while we go free, knowimg your quarelsome spirit is not of God; while you remain a babe who dosent want to grow up. Neither am I here trying to help, i know I cant. just leaving warnings here as I come across, to clear my conscience. This is happening all over America and has been for years. Now America is as Babilon the city of confusion, where languages are confused because people dont walk in Love, and the Lord is saying "Come out of her my people, that you be not partakers of her plagues." Do you think I woud dare say something so serious as jusgment coming on America like many prophets have, if I did not know it to be so.
God ia going to judge and burn the entire world...you are no prophet pal! And yes.....AMERICA will be judged, just like every other nation on the planet!
 
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Hebrews 10:26 (AMP) - For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward]. The present tense indicates this is their lifestyle, their habitual practice. It describes an abiding state of willful, deliberate sinning. Those who are born of God are not sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time (1 John 1:8-10), but sinning is not their willful, habitual, continual practice once they are born again. *1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin.. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)
Some of these people have no concept of context........they either make it up as they go oe just whip religious babbel out of the hat of ignorance......
 
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What devalues this if Jesus the Christ is stating the work of his death and resurrection is insufficient to save completely and that there is something we add to His work.

That is the complete nullification, devaluing of the work of the cross!

The "willful" sin in Hebrews means exactly that.....there was no sacrifice under the old complex system for sins committed purposefully ..there was grace. The law was a schoolmaster.

The writer in Hebrews is stating if we reject the full work of Christ ( an act of grace) then no sacrifice for willful sin remains, because there was none under the old system......so in essence you have completely backwards.

And btw most all sins are willful.
Amen.........so true!
 

BillG

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That's early. I also woke up at about 4am this morning (it is currently 6pm here) I had a dream that I was on the titanic and knew it was about to sink. I could see the ship slowly filling up with water and then I woke up. Have no idea what that means?
Does it have to mean anything?

We all have random dreams.
 

stillness

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There is so much wrong with this I it would take a month to dismember it.

However I do find this statement very troubling.



Why is so hard to understand that only Jesus is righteous, and salvation is a free gift....received by faith apart from works!

Your righteous living cannot add to it. And yes God is concerned about sin in the believers life because He loves us and He knows sin is always destructive.

So please do not confuse salvation (a one time event, born from above) and growing in Christ.

And please provide the link. Thank you.
You know, I perceive there is Love in you, that means you have the Holy Spirit and that your not a quarelsome babe. First of all Salvation being a one time event is when Jesus died and rose. "Salvation belongs to our God," and that's why it cant be lost, and He will reward everyone according to His work. "Behold I come quickly and My reward is with me to reward every one acccding to His work." Now tel me, what is the reward Jesus is brigning with Him, but the Resurrection. There are verses from the appostles that confirm this: That we will receive according to our labour. "Not by works, lest any man should boast," was only ment to say: we should not think we are better than others, since it's all by the Grace of God; the influence of the Holy Spirit enabling us to Love as Jesus Loves. The New comandment was only posible by the Holy Spirit; following Jesus in His sufferings, to cease from sin and Love our enemies.
but before I get too carried away, the link? A yes it began with me looking up:
my-visitations-part-3-jesus-appeared-in-life-changing-dream

You should read this first, its one hour of reading. I read it 3 times: was most blessed the second time, and the third time realised I had to discipline miself to do the work of walking in the Holy Spirit, to receive mre: to walk in Love, that is mentioned by her ad well, or if you prefer, be disciplined by the Lord to walk in His Love: possible by the Holy Spirit. But can you see that saying the same thing diferently causes quarels until we walk in Love. God confused our languages so that we dont attain unity of the spirit without the Holy Spirit.
The link your looking for, you just had to copy the title in brouser even tho I left the word eternal out of peril, as it sais people will be released from death and hell to be judged according to their works, these, "The rest of the dead, are not raised until the thousand years is fulfilled" "The sea will give up the dead that are in them, death and hell will give up the dead that are in them, and everyone will be judged according to his works. Its the people in the lake of fire that dont apear to be released, as I undetstand, thete is no Love in their heart for them to be released, no final judgment necesary. But ignore this, lets not fight over my view even tho I believeve its corect and dont try tonteach this to others you agree lol, babes will be babes and we cant help God and His help constantly.
So your looking for:
Scriptures warning Christians of eternal peril.
Shortened the page in half to fit here. Dont forget to read her dream, your a godly you will benefit.
By the way, the Way I benefited reading 3 times coresponds to,
Little children who are forgiven: receiving the former rain of the Holy Spirit moderatly.
Father: those who know the Love of the Father and nurture children; receiving "The former and laiter rain together in the same Mont." Then: "Young men who are strong and the Word of God abides in you and have overcome the evil one." This woman receives the crown of life in her dream. I am not there, just entering in at the second level of entering in at the Straiight Gate, still working out putting away my divided spirit. We always have the Grace we need, but the last level of maturity is aboult learning obedience through suffering.
My study journal and her dream are about the same thing. This is her third experience of visitation. I asked the Lord for this earlier this year (before I knew her experience) and he told me: Your not ready, but told me to: Go, this is a time of prayer, its the only way you'l succed... and many other words of confirmation. I faced my unpreparedness and shallow prayer life in the wilderness last spring and its all good, no regrets with no visitation, as He is always with us.