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You can question his prophecy, there is nothing wrong in that, there are many ways you can do it by it, Comparing between the book which he claim that it is from the lord, and the other books which the other groups believe in it as the word of God, and you as a christian can put Qur'an in that test in front of The Bible.
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Genesis 2:1- 3 (( Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he restedon the seventh day ))
Qur'an 50:38 (( We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.))
Is the True God is the god of Genesis 2:1- 3 or the god of Qur'an 50:38
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Does God saying that about himsef
Revelation17:14 but the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings
Revelation19:7 because the wedding celebration of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
Qur'an 37:180-182{Glorified is your Lord, Lord of Honour, (and free) from all that they attribute to Him., and peace on the Messengers, and all praise is only for God, Lord of the Universe}
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JUDGES 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Qur'an 35:44 Allah(God) is not such that anything in the heavens or in the earth escapes Him. Verily, He is All¬Knowing, All¬Omnipotent.
Qur'an 3:160 If Allah(God) helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you?
Qur'an 6:65 Say: "He has power to send torment on you from above or from under your feet.
Qur'an 4:133 If He wills, He can take you away, O people, and bring others. And Allah is Ever All¬Potent over that.
Qur'an 48:11. Say: "Who then has any power at all (to intervene) on your behalf with Allah, if He intends you hurt or intends you benefit?
Qur'an 18:45 and Allah is over everything potent.
Qur'an 10:49 Say : "I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except what Allah may will.
Qur'an 14:19 Do you not see that Allah has created the heavens and the earth with truth? If He will, He can remove you and bring (in your place) a new creation!
Qur'an 3:26 Say : "O Allah! Possessor of the kingdom, You give the kingdom to whom You will, and You take the kingdom from whom You will, and You endue with honour whom You will, and You humiliate whom You will. In Your Hand is the good. Verily, You are Able to do all things.
Qur'an 2:165 All power belongs to Allah and that Allah is Severe in punishment.
Qur'an 67:1 Blessed is He in Whose Hand is the dominion, and He is Able to do all things.
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Gn.32:24-28 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.” But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[f] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
Qur'an 72:22 Say: "None can protect me from Allah's punishment (if I were to disobey Him), nor can I find refuge except in Him.
Qur'an 13:16." Say: "Allah(God) is the Creator of all things, He is the One, the Irresistible."
Qur'an 6:18 And He is the Irresistible (Supreme), above His slaves(creatures).
Qur'an 12:21And Allah has full power and control over His Affairs, but most of men know not.
Qur'an 23:88 Say "In Whose Hand is the sovereignty of everything (i.e. treasures of each and everything)? And He protects (all), while against Whom there is no protector, (i.e. if Allah(God) saves anyone none can punish or harm him, and if Allah punishes or harms anyone none can save him), if you know?"
Qur'an 6:103 Vision comprehendeth Him not, but He comprehendeth (all) vision. He is the Subtile, the Aware.
Genesis 2:1- 3 (( Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he restedon the seventh day ))
Qur'an 50:38 (( We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.))
Is the True God is the god of Genesis 2:1- 3 or the god of Qur'an 50:38
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Does God saying that about himsef
Revelation17:14 but the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings
Revelation19:7 because the wedding celebration of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
Qur'an 37:180-182{Glorified is your Lord, Lord of Honour, (and free) from all that they attribute to Him., and peace on the Messengers, and all praise is only for God, Lord of the Universe}
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JUDGES 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Qur'an 35:44 Allah(God) is not such that anything in the heavens or in the earth escapes Him. Verily, He is All¬Knowing, All¬Omnipotent.
Qur'an 3:160 If Allah(God) helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you?
Qur'an 6:65 Say: "He has power to send torment on you from above or from under your feet.
Qur'an 4:133 If He wills, He can take you away, O people, and bring others. And Allah is Ever All¬Potent over that.
Qur'an 48:11. Say: "Who then has any power at all (to intervene) on your behalf with Allah, if He intends you hurt or intends you benefit?
Qur'an 18:45 and Allah is over everything potent.
Qur'an 10:49 Say : "I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except what Allah may will.
Qur'an 14:19 Do you not see that Allah has created the heavens and the earth with truth? If He will, He can remove you and bring (in your place) a new creation!
Qur'an 3:26 Say : "O Allah! Possessor of the kingdom, You give the kingdom to whom You will, and You take the kingdom from whom You will, and You endue with honour whom You will, and You humiliate whom You will. In Your Hand is the good. Verily, You are Able to do all things.
Qur'an 2:165 All power belongs to Allah and that Allah is Severe in punishment.
Qur'an 67:1 Blessed is He in Whose Hand is the dominion, and He is Able to do all things.
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Gn.32:24-28 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.” But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[f] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
Qur'an 72:22 Say: "None can protect me from Allah's punishment (if I were to disobey Him), nor can I find refuge except in Him.
Qur'an 13:16." Say: "Allah(God) is the Creator of all things, He is the One, the Irresistible."
Qur'an 6:18 And He is the Irresistible (Supreme), above His slaves(creatures).
Qur'an 12:21And Allah has full power and control over His Affairs, but most of men know not.
Qur'an 23:88 Say "In Whose Hand is the sovereignty of everything (i.e. treasures of each and everything)? And He protects (all), while against Whom there is no protector, (i.e. if Allah(God) saves anyone none can punish or harm him, and if Allah punishes or harms anyone none can save him), if you know?"
Qur'an 6:103 Vision comprehendeth Him not, but He comprehendeth (all) vision. He is the Subtile, the Aware.
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worship thank you for the quotes and you do seem to seek after God or Allah as you call it. but we are Christians and though I love all people and have many Muslims friends, I must tell you that I am a disciple of Jesus and the Holy Spirit resides inside my heart and the Quran does not speak of these mysteries. It can not explain the testimony of my life.
What does it say about spiritual gifts? the gift of prophecy, discernment of spirits, giving, faith, wisdom?
WHat does it call its followers to do? How does it redeem them of their sin against Almighty God or Allah? If Jesus is just a prophet as Islam states then how can HE SAVE THE WORLD?
I'm sorry as much as I know of Islam it is based on ideas of the Old testament and doing WORKS to be GOOD ENOUGH for God, but Jesus teaches something totally different.
Christianity is based on the concept of GRACE
YouTube - Leann Rimes - Amazing Grace
I read from Dan Allender the following quote:
"Love is radical, makes you live on the edge and move past the status quo. love is a reflection of God and we show others a taste of God's character through loving them as God loves us"
I'm sorry I can not follow a prophet that has more than one wife, who does not live as the BIBLE tells us all GODLY men should live.
It is not YOUR faith or GOD/ALLAH that I question but the prophet Muhammad and His Quran, which misleads the faithful followers of GOD/Allah by teaching the law without the grace and love of God through the redemption of Jesus Christ on the cross for our sins and transgression. I can not condone the teaching of a religion that does not speak of the HOLY SPIRIT that lives and resides in the hearts of all believers. I can not allow seeds of doubts to enter into my heart for that is how the darkness gets into our minds and corrupts our souls.
I send you my love and will pray for you and all others who truly seek to know God's love and truth, but I must state that I believe you may be walking down a road that leads to danger.
Lord please be merciful to those lost and wandering souls. send your angels to guide them back home. In Jesus name we pray, amen.
What does it say about spiritual gifts? the gift of prophecy, discernment of spirits, giving, faith, wisdom?
WHat does it call its followers to do? How does it redeem them of their sin against Almighty God or Allah? If Jesus is just a prophet as Islam states then how can HE SAVE THE WORLD?
I'm sorry as much as I know of Islam it is based on ideas of the Old testament and doing WORKS to be GOOD ENOUGH for God, but Jesus teaches something totally different.
Christianity is based on the concept of GRACE
YouTube - Leann Rimes - Amazing Grace
I read from Dan Allender the following quote:
"Love is radical, makes you live on the edge and move past the status quo. love is a reflection of God and we show others a taste of God's character through loving them as God loves us"
I'm sorry I can not follow a prophet that has more than one wife, who does not live as the BIBLE tells us all GODLY men should live.
It is not YOUR faith or GOD/ALLAH that I question but the prophet Muhammad and His Quran, which misleads the faithful followers of GOD/Allah by teaching the law without the grace and love of God through the redemption of Jesus Christ on the cross for our sins and transgression. I can not condone the teaching of a religion that does not speak of the HOLY SPIRIT that lives and resides in the hearts of all believers. I can not allow seeds of doubts to enter into my heart for that is how the darkness gets into our minds and corrupts our souls.
I send you my love and will pray for you and all others who truly seek to know God's love and truth, but I must state that I believe you may be walking down a road that leads to danger.
Lord please be merciful to those lost and wandering souls. send your angels to guide them back home. In Jesus name we pray, amen.
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For the christains reading this thread, here is your sword:
Matthew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
Mark 13:21-23 (New King James Version)
21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
Matthew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
Mark 13:21-23 (New King James Version)
21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
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Ex:3:22 (But every woman shall ask of her neighbor and the woman who lives in her house, articles of silver and articles of gold, and clothing; and you will put them on your sons and daughters Thus you will plunder the Egyptians.)
Qur'an 8:58{ Lo! Allah(God) loveth not the treacherous }
Qur'an 4:58 {Verily! Allah commands that you should render back the trusts to those, to whom they are due.}, Qur'an 22:38{verily Allah loveth not any treacherous ingrate },{ Lo! Allah loveth not one who is treacherous and sinful }Qur'an 4:107.
Qur'an 8:58{ Lo! Allah(God) loveth not the treacherous }
Qur'an 4:58 {Verily! Allah commands that you should render back the trusts to those, to whom they are due.}, Qur'an 22:38{verily Allah loveth not any treacherous ingrate },{ Lo! Allah loveth not one who is treacherous and sinful }Qur'an 4:107.
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OK Worship, i hear you but I can not respond until I finish reading all the Qur'an. which I can't start until after Lent, but I will comment on this afterwards. Any Christians who have read the Qur'an have a response?
as for that verse from the Bible: the things were not STOLEN they were GIVEN by the Egyptians to the Hebrews who were leaving their land after God's demonstration of power through the plagues. therefore, the people were NOT treacherous in that instance.
But the Bible does talk about God's GRACE which is a gift from God, and not spoken about in Islam. Christians believe that is not through our works that we are saved but through grace and faith in the redemption of Jesus Christ who died for our sins and sends us the HOLY SPIRIT to guide us and help us to be more like HIM. we are not perfect but working towards loving others as God loves us and helping others because God first helped and loved us.That is the meaning of Grace and I'm not sure it is found in Islam.
Is there a concept of grace in Islam? or do you obtain salvation and rightness with God only through works?
as for that verse from the Bible: the things were not STOLEN they were GIVEN by the Egyptians to the Hebrews who were leaving their land after God's demonstration of power through the plagues. therefore, the people were NOT treacherous in that instance.
But the Bible does talk about God's GRACE which is a gift from God, and not spoken about in Islam. Christians believe that is not through our works that we are saved but through grace and faith in the redemption of Jesus Christ who died for our sins and sends us the HOLY SPIRIT to guide us and help us to be more like HIM. we are not perfect but working towards loving others as God loves us and helping others because God first helped and loved us.That is the meaning of Grace and I'm not sure it is found in Islam.
Is there a concept of grace in Islam? or do you obtain salvation and rightness with God only through works?
Well, many christians talk of forgiveness so much.They say ,muslims take revenge .....well,.After 9/11 ,muslims were not forgiven...It was not sure whether they were involved in this incident or not.Afghanistan is such a barren and remote area and American security system is wonderful.But, they were punished badly.in Iraq, there were not even weapons of mass destruction but, it was destroyed...Muslims r always punished.Infact, every where muslims r in trouble and pain...And if they try to defend themselves or try to take revenge .Then, it is said,they donot forgive or they r extremists.........
some talk about God of christians or God of muslims.....Well, God Almighty is one and he is God of all people whether they r muslims or christians or jews etc.....
Well,basic teachings of different Prophets is same because God sent them and guided them.....But some people changed teachings with the passage of time...... Holy prophet Muhammed(pbuh)brought these teachings with the Will of God.And these teachings were needed badly.He(PBUH) told us,God Almighty is one.God does not have any son or daughter.He is above such things.Donot worship idols.donot kill daughters.Islam gave respect to women and gave them share in property !400 years ago and in this way provided them security...All people r equal according to Islam.Muslims were given gift of Five times prayer By God.
Islam is a religion that is so close to human nature and marriage is a good thing in Islam.It also provides security to women...
As far as salvation is concerned,everyone is responsible for his/her own deeds.No one is responsible for other,s sins.We, muslims, ask for forgiveness before God for our sins and he is merciful and kind and we hope of his forgiveness.If people should not b responsible for their deeds and if this is a good law,Then, why people r punished in this world by governments for their crimes.Why they r not set free and this should b made a law......Infact, on the day of judgement ,we will have to answer before God for our own deeds......
some talk about God of christians or God of muslims.....Well, God Almighty is one and he is God of all people whether they r muslims or christians or jews etc.....
Well,basic teachings of different Prophets is same because God sent them and guided them.....But some people changed teachings with the passage of time...... Holy prophet Muhammed(pbuh)brought these teachings with the Will of God.And these teachings were needed badly.He(PBUH) told us,God Almighty is one.God does not have any son or daughter.He is above such things.Donot worship idols.donot kill daughters.Islam gave respect to women and gave them share in property !400 years ago and in this way provided them security...All people r equal according to Islam.Muslims were given gift of Five times prayer By God.
Islam is a religion that is so close to human nature and marriage is a good thing in Islam.It also provides security to women...
As far as salvation is concerned,everyone is responsible for his/her own deeds.No one is responsible for other,s sins.We, muslims, ask for forgiveness before God for our sins and he is merciful and kind and we hope of his forgiveness.If people should not b responsible for their deeds and if this is a good law,Then, why people r punished in this world by governments for their crimes.Why they r not set free and this should b made a law......Infact, on the day of judgement ,we will have to answer before God for our own deeds......
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Fozi, now you are mixing politics with religion. Christians did not respond to the attack of 9/11, a worldly Government did. The United States is not only made of Christians, we have muslims, jews, buddhist, and many other religions in the country. Its called the 1st amendment.
therefore the concept of "forgiveness" is not in government policy but is a religious concept and ideal. In the United states we have something called "separation of church and state" which means the church does not DIRECTLY influence government policy and the government allows freedom of religious expression within reason.
Muhammed did bring a lot of good changes to the Middle East giving freedoms to women that they did not know before.
However Jesus did that as well. why a new book and not a translation? why trace the lineage down Ishmael and not Issac?
."Infact, on the day of judgement ,we will have to answer before God for our own deeds......" that opens another realm of question about the two judgement and the meaning of Revelation,
but in the end the important thing is to follow the Laws of God as we understand them. Because the Bible states:
Matthew 12:35-37 (New King James Version)
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart[a] brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
YouTube - Leann Rimes - Amazing Grace
I fall back on prayer and the Grace of God for the forgiveness of sins through Christ sacrifice on the Cross.
therefore the concept of "forgiveness" is not in government policy but is a religious concept and ideal. In the United states we have something called "separation of church and state" which means the church does not DIRECTLY influence government policy and the government allows freedom of religious expression within reason.
Muhammed did bring a lot of good changes to the Middle East giving freedoms to women that they did not know before.
However Jesus did that as well. why a new book and not a translation? why trace the lineage down Ishmael and not Issac?
."Infact, on the day of judgement ,we will have to answer before God for our own deeds......" that opens another realm of question about the two judgement and the meaning of Revelation,
but in the end the important thing is to follow the Laws of God as we understand them. Because the Bible states:
Matthew 12:35-37 (New King James Version)
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart[a] brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
YouTube - Leann Rimes - Amazing Grace
I fall back on prayer and the Grace of God for the forgiveness of sins through Christ sacrifice on the Cross.
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we do not judge them according to the flesh but according to the words that proceeds out of the mouth of their prophet and Islamic followers.
For what proceedth out of the mouth shows what dwells in the heart of a person.
Many profess very bibilical sounding things, but when you dig deeper it is just another demon parading as GOD.
why do you think Satan was casted out of HEAVEN? He told everyone HE was GOD.
He does it still today.
Do all Muslims worship Satan? no
Do all Christians worship God? no
How can you tell? by their words and actions. by looking into their hearts and praying to God to show you their REAL nature.
Muslim, Christian you can have whatever title you want but unless you do the will of the HEAVENLY FATHER then you will be casted into Hell. It matters not what you call yourself or how you justify yourself.
Only true justification is GOD"s
therefore live just and honest lives so that when you stand in front of GOd you can answer truthfully that you followed HIS WILL and not yours.
what is God's will?
Jesus breaks it down to two:
1. Love God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul, have no idols, place nothing before your worship of GOD
2. Love your neighbor as yourself (forgive and bless those who curse you, for if you love only those who love you how are you better then others in the world, even sinners do thusly.)
ok now off to Bible study. Peace of the Lord be with all who walk in the will of Our Heavenly Father.
In the name of Jesus, stick to the path of TRUTH. amen
For what proceedth out of the mouth shows what dwells in the heart of a person.
Many profess very bibilical sounding things, but when you dig deeper it is just another demon parading as GOD.
why do you think Satan was casted out of HEAVEN? He told everyone HE was GOD.
He does it still today.
Do all Muslims worship Satan? no
Do all Christians worship God? no
How can you tell? by their words and actions. by looking into their hearts and praying to God to show you their REAL nature.
Muslim, Christian you can have whatever title you want but unless you do the will of the HEAVENLY FATHER then you will be casted into Hell. It matters not what you call yourself or how you justify yourself.
Only true justification is GOD"s
therefore live just and honest lives so that when you stand in front of GOd you can answer truthfully that you followed HIS WILL and not yours.
what is God's will?
Jesus breaks it down to two:
1. Love God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul, have no idols, place nothing before your worship of GOD
2. Love your neighbor as yourself (forgive and bless those who curse you, for if you love only those who love you how are you better then others in the world, even sinners do thusly.)
ok now off to Bible study. Peace of the Lord be with all who walk in the will of Our Heavenly Father.
In the name of Jesus, stick to the path of TRUTH. amen
no my dear, it does not work that way; oil and water does not mix, can not force it by human logic. the bible and the quran are two opposites: the bible sais Jesus is the son of God: the quran says,no he is just a prophet:Jesus said, no man can come to God but by me: the quran says, no, you can go by mohamad: jesus was crucified; the quran says, no, judas iscariot was crucified instead: Jesus claimed to be the son of God: the quran says, no, God can not have a son, because God does not have a wife: Jesus said,i will come back: the quran says, the 12th mahdi will come back: i can go on.
so it is either the bible or the quran, can not believe in both. jesus says, the prophets are untill john: along came mohamad 630yrs later as a prophet: was jesus wrong,or lying?
thank you for your patience.
''wakeup''.