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The context is justification through and through. He's warning them not to become slaves of the law (the old covenant) because SLAVES DO NOT SHARE IN THE INHERITANCE. Slaves are not in line for the inheritance, only sons born by faith are.

Galatians 4:30
"the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”


That's how we know he isn't talking about them falling away from the growth of the believer in sanctification. The sanctification of the believer does not determine whether or not they possesses the inheritance (eternal life). Justification does.

If the discussion goes that way I'll share more about this matter of justification.

Is this a new method of biblical interpretation one verse out of its surrounding context:(

Read the entire passage ....the law does not justify.

Paul is not saying the law will unjustify.

Read on...." So brothers we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Free..that is the status of the believer, it does not change.....Paul is telling them to live in their new status in the new covenant.
 

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Is this a new method of biblical interpretation one verse out of its surrounding context:(

Read the entire passage ....the law does not justify.

Paul is not saying the law will unjustify.

Read on...." So brothers we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Free..that is the status of the believer, it does not change.....Paul is telling them to live in their new status in the new covenant.
Free from the law O' happy condition.
 
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Is this a new method of biblical interpretation one verse out of its surrounding context:(
I'm staying completely in context. The context is justification. You are the one who jumped out of context and said it's about sanctification.

Read the entire passage ....the law does not justify.
That is right. That is why Paul is warning the Galatians to not turn to the law of days, and seasons, and times for justification and away from Christ for justification. For if you do, Christ would become of no value to you (in justification--the context of the entire letter).

Paul is not saying the law will unjustify.
Then his warning of becoming slaves again (Galatians 4:9) is meaningless. For the context of the letter is justification.
He warns them that the sons of the old covenant (those born of the attempt to be justified through works of the law--days, seasons, etc.) are slaves and that slaves have no part in the inheritance. Only the sons born of the new covenant (born as the result of faith in Christ) have the inheritance. But if they have the promise of the inheritance no matter what, even if they seek justification through the law, then his warning about the sons of the old covenant not having the inheritance is meaningless.

Read on...." So brothers we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Yes, they are sons born as the result of the new covenant. Don't go back to being sons born as the result of the old covenant and the futile attempt to be justified by the law. Those sons, like Abraham's son Ishmael, have no part in the inheritance. That is his warning to them.

2 Peter 2:19 NIV
"for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved."
 
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I have to wonder why people are condemning law keepers to hell in this thread for believing they must keep the law of days, weeks, etc. if it's true that since they believe in Christ they can't be condemned to hell by their law keeping. :unsure:
 
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Isaiah 53:2
For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.

1 Corinthians 11:14

Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?
 

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HELI is the name in many our BIBLES. Eli is also spelled Heli.

Luke 3:23 (HCSB)
23 As He began ⌊His ministry⌋, Jesus was about 30 years old and was thought to be the son of Joseph, ⌊son⌋ of Heli,

Luke 3:23 (ASV)
23 And Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,

Luke 3:23 (KJV)
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Luke 3:23 (NKJV)
23 Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,

Luke 3:23 (NRSV)
23 Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his work. He was the son (as was thought) of Joseph son of Heli,

Luke 3:23 (ESV)
23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,

Luke 3:23 (NCV)
23 When Jesus began his ministry, he was about thirty years old. People thought that Jesus was Joseph’s son. Joseph was the son of Heli.

Luke 3:23 (NJB)
23 When he began, Jesus was about thirty years old, being the son, as it was thought, of Joseph son of Heli,

Luke 3:23 (NIV)
23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,

Luke 3:23-24 (YLT)
23 And Jesus himself was beginning to be about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, son of Joseph,
24 the son of Eli, . . .

Luke 3:23 (GWT)
23 Jesus was about 30 years old when he began {his ministry}. Jesus, so people thought, was the son of Joseph, son of Eli,

Luke 3:23 (NASB)
23 When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli,


Out of 12 Versions that I have open on my WORDsearch 10, only three have the name Eli, whereas the rest use Heli.
 

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I have to wonder why people are condemning law keepers to hell in this thread for believing they must keep the law of days, weeks, etc. if it's true that since they believe in Christ they can't be condemned to hell by their law keeping. :unsure:


It is not about keeping the SABBATH. You are permitted to do so if you want, but you do it out of the WRONG MOTIVE. It is NOT to earn something, it is only about LOVING GOD.

Romans 14:5 (HCSB)
5 One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind.

Galatians 5:14 (HCSB)
14 For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: Love your neighbor as yourself.

WHY YOU ASK ? ? ?

Because Born Again Christians KNOW, the only pure motive is out of the LOVE HE HAS GIVEN US.

You do not SERVE to GET SOMETHING FROM GOD, OR to try to SAVE or Protect Something; You Serve because HE LOVED US FIRST.

1 John 5:3 (NASB)
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

It is not a BURDEN only when it is DONE BECAUSE YOU LOVE HIM.

1 John 4:19 (HCSB)
19 We love because He first loved us.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Romans 4:4-5 (NIV)
4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.
5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.


If your Motive for Righteous Workings is NOT SOLELY BECAUSE YOU LOVE HIM, your selfish motives to try to earn HIS Love will FAIL.

WHY?

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.


James 2:10 (NIV)
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
 
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HELI is the name in many our BIBLES. Eli is also spelled Heli.
Out of 12 Versions that I have open on my WORDsearch 10, only three have the name Eli, whereas the rest use Heli.
His name was Eli.

It's a Hebrew name עֵלִי Eli.

Eleven out of sixty English Bible versions, at Bible Gateway , translate the name Eli... f.y.i.

Take it, or leave it, former volunteer chaplain orv.
I cannot read your tiny print.
That post is over 2 years old.
 
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I have to wonder why people are condemning law keepers to hell in this thread for believing they must keep the law of days, weeks, etc. if it's true that since they believe in Christ they can't be condemned to hell by their law keeping. :unsure:
No one keeps the law.....and that is what you cannot grasp......break the least = guilty of the whole...ALREADY GUILTY AND CONDEMNED.....

That is why the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST WITHOUT THE LAW IS IMPUTED TO US BY FAITH.....

But carry on with thinking you or anyone else keeps the law.....and I will remind you that from birth to death you must keep every applicable law 24/7/365 days a year, every second, every minute, every hour or YOU ARE A LAW BREAKER!
 
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It is not about keeping the SABBATH. You are permitted to do so if you want, but you do it out of the WRONG MOTIVE. It is NOT to earn something, it is only about LOVING GOD.

Romans 14:5 (HCSB)
5 One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind.

Galatians 5:14 (HCSB)
14 For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: Love your neighbor as yourself.

WHY YOU ASK ? ? ?

Because Born Again Christians KNOW, the only pure motive is out of the LOVE HE HAS GIVEN US.

You do not SERVE to GET SOMETHING FROM GOD, OR to try to SAVE or Protect Something; You Serve because HE LOVED US FIRST.

1 John 5:3 (NASB)
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

It is not a BURDEN only when it is DONE BECAUSE YOU LOVE HIM.

1 John 4:19 (HCSB)
19 We love because He first loved us.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Romans 4:4-5 (NIV)
4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.
5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.


If your Motive for Righteous Workings is NOT SOLELY BECAUSE YOU LOVE HIM, your selfish motives to try to earn HIS Love will FAIL.

WHY?

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.


James 2:10 (NIV)
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Your point is not clear. Can you summarize this in a sentence or two and tell me why people in this thread are telling Festival and Sabbath law keepers who believe in Jesus that they are going to hell even though it is also being said by those same people that believers who seek justification through the law (assuming that's what they're doing) are still justified and saved?