3 Tactics Calvinists Use Against Non-Calvinists

[garee]

Likely so in the case of that confession.
Powerful thing exampled as ego-centrism and pride.
To imagine one or many men are able to convene and then codify the supreme power within and behind all existence, unto the confines of their "confession", so as to delineate that supreme power's identity according to their preference.
And of course, their final creation loves them best. And only. And did before anything was created by that power at all.

I would agre we should be carefull how we give honor to men as the witness thereof. God does not accept the witness of men .His unseen witness of faith is greater

The non believing Jewish elders gathered themselves together, to set up the abomination of desolation. . . kings in Israel . The pagan form of worship. This is because of their jeapolosly of the surrounding nations. . The reformation restored the order where God again unseen reigns from heaven as King of kings.

1 Samuel 8:3-5 King James Version (KJV) And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment. Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

Or like Saul in Acts 22 under a law of the fathers. He had all the best teachers the credential for carrying out the pagan religion to include letter from the High priest. Authorizing the murdering the misperceived competition (flesh and blood) as a false Zeal for knowing God.

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

I do not see ANYTHING there regarding the necessity of being redeemed from inevitable eternal condemnation.

Its a vision statement, and I think what you're talking about is covered by 'Rooted in Christ'.....I don't think a simple vision statement is meant to take the place of something like a creed of which the CRC affirms three: The Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed

 

[Whispered]

I would agre we should be carefull how we give honor to men as the witness thereof. God does not accept the witness of men .His unseen witness of faith is greater

The non believing Jewish elders gathered themselves together, to set up the abomination of desolation. . . kings in Israel . The pagan form of worship. This is because of their jeapolosly of the surrounding nations. . The reformation restored the order where God again unseen reigns from heaven as King of kings.

1 Samuel 8:3-5 King James Version (KJV) And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment. Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

Or like Saul in Acts 22 under a law of the fathers. He had all the best teachers the credential for carrying out the pagan religion to include letter from the High priest. Authorizing the murdering the misperceived competition (flesh and blood) as a false Zeal for knowing God.

Lots to consider there and a very well thought out post. Thank you.

I would disagree that God is unseen. Everything in creation is of and from God, imo. Therefore, we see God in all things He created. Including our own reflection.

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/829154981380672852/

 

[Alby]

I don't know anything about Calvinists other than the book on Orthodox history I'm reading right now doesn't speak very highly of them.

 

[cv5]

May I ask the source of your assertion that David was a “student” in Samual's school?

 

[garee]

Lots to consider there and a very well thought out post. Thank you.

I would disagree that God is unseen. Everything in creation is of and from God, imo. Therefore, we see God in all things He created. Including our own reflection.

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/829154981380672852/

That is the Pagan formula.

Everything in creation is of but not God. We walk by faith the unseen. We do not know him after the things seen as rudiments of this world. He cannot be found under a microscope .

 

[Sipsey]

Thank you for the link. Yet another reason to reread and dig deeper to connect the dots.

 

[Whispered]

That is the Pagan formula.

No, it isn't. That's God's word telling you so.
One example. The Book of John chapter 1:1-5

Everything in creation is of but not God. We walk by faith the unseen. We do not know him after the things seen as rudiments of this world. He cannot be found under a microscope .

Of course He can. Because all things are of and from God.

How else can anything exist if it isn't created of and from the Creator of all that is?

 

[cv5]

Thank you for the link. Yet another reason to reread and dig deeper to connect the dots.

Professor Gore is a very potent formidable and gifted teacher. And a Calvinist and Presbyterian BTW.

 

[Whispered]

Professor Gore is a very potent formidable and gifted teacher. And a Calvinist and Presbyterian BTW.

Has he read the book of John chapter 6? It destroys John Calvin's invention fully.

 

[Whispered]

 

[cv5]

Has he read the book of John chapter 6? It destroys John Calvin's invention fully.

I submit to you that Prof. Gore has surely read John Ch 6 hundreds of times, referenced it thousands of times in reading various commentaries and conducting sermons and teaching sessions, and is utterly convicted and convinced of its power and authenticity, and is fully assured of its meaning and correct interpretation.

As for you, I have my doubts.

 

[Whispered]

I submit to you that Prof. Gore has surely read John Ch 6 hundreds of times, referenced it thousands of times in reading various commentaries and conducting sermons and teaching sessions, and is utterly convicted and convinced of its power and authenticity, and is fully assured of its meaning and correct interpretation.

As for you, I have my doubts.

I'm happy to tell you, I do not labor for your approval. Be sure your behavior doesn't let one to have doubts about you.
Wise advice for a handful here actually.

The Book of John chapter 6 shreds Calvinism. The video I shared is tough to get through I admit. However, I shared that because his demeanor is reminiscent of some I've encountered and I thought if he speaks their language they may learn from him.
John Calvin's god is not the God of scripture. Thank God.

 

[cv5]

Has he read the book of John chapter 6? It destroys John Calvin's invention fully.

John chapter 6 is a devastating refutation of the Arminian position.

"All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only"

John 6:

v37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

CHECK

v39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me

CHECK

v44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him

CHECK

v45
Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me

CHECK

v65
And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

CHECK

John 5:21
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.

CHECK

We could go on for literally days and days with similar results.
Shall we discuss the fact that no-one has absolutely anything to do with their first birth or rebirth, being born from above by the express choice and Will of God?

 

[cv5]

https://biblehub.net/searchnt.php?q=chosen

https://biblehub.com/greek/1586.htm

 

[cv5]

I'm happy to tell you, I do not labor for your approval. Be sure your behavior doesn't let one to have doubts about you.
Wise advice for a handful here actually.

The Book of John chapter 6 shreds Calvinism. The video I shared is tough to get through I admit. However, I shared that because his demeanor is reminiscent of some I've encountered and I thought if he speaks their language they may learn from him.
John Calvin's god is not the God of scripture. Thank God.

Can anyone rightfully deny that Romans Ch 9 delineates the fact of God's Sovereign Choice in election?

 

[ieuan]

TULIP is not a confessional standard of any church.
You will not find it stated in any church anywhere in the world.

The Convfesional standards of Belgium the Netherlands otherwise called the 17 provinces,
because they were joined at one time and written by Guido de Bray is the Belgic Confession (1561)
and later endorsed by the Sydnod of Dordrecht, a town in the Netherlands, otherwise called
the Synod of Dord (1610).

The statement of faith was drawn up by Guy (Guido) de Bray (in French: Bres) a former student
at Geneva with John Calvin. Guy was concerned that Calvin's Statement of faith was dedicated
to the French King, who was persecuting the Hugoenots. Guy wanted a statement of faith
dedicated to his own countrymen. Calvin wasn't too keen on this, but the confession laid down
the beliefs of the protestants who were fighting the Spanish church and government at that time.

There were at that time three main branches of the Christian faith: Roman Catholicism, and Protestantism
as found in: The Church of England, Calvinism, and Anabaptists, the latter three all variants of Protestantism.
The Church of England and Calvinism were in broad agreement, but here was fierce opposition between
Calvinists and Anna Baptists. Zwingli, the Swiss Reformer, drowned an Ana Baptist by placing him an a sack
and throwing into a river. Ana Baptists were burned by the Catholics, some buried alive. Torture was used
legally in those days and protestants were persecuted. When Calvinists came to power in the Netherlands
they did punish anabaptists, but generally avoided torture and the death penalty, usually they were
humiliated in public.

Through the activities of Jacobus Arminias of Leyden University (only professors could interpet scripture
in those days under the threat of death) and the five articles of the Remonstrance Arminianism and
the Baptists became popular and now is the major protestant denomination or denominations. Althoug
modern day Arminianism is greatly different from those times. See my thread on the Synod Of Dord and
the five points of the Remonstrance.

 

[John146]

Can anyone rightfully deny that Romans Ch 9 delineates the fact of God's Sovereign Choice in election?

Me, me, me...chapter 9 has nothing to do with salvation, but the election of Israel as God’s nation to bring forth the promised seed.

 

[Whispered]

John chapter 6 is a devastating refutation of the Arminian position.

"All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only"

John 6:

v37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

CHECK

v39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me

CHECK

v44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him

CHECK

v45
Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me

CHECK

v65
And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

CHECK

John 5:21
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.

CHECK

We could go on for literally days and days with similar results.
Shall we discuss the fact that no-one has absolutely anything to do with their first birth or rebirth, being born from above by the express choice and Will of God?

No, it isn't.
Picture the god John Calvin extolled and using TULIP.
That's not the Omniscient Omni-Benevolent Creator of the world. That's the adverse of the Omni-Benevolent Creator of the world.

 

[Whispered]

Can anyone rightfully deny that Romans Ch 9 delineates the fact of God's Sovereign Choice in election?

Point out where Romans 9 upholds TULIP in its entirety.
And just to save time, I'm not Arminian. Nor should it be assumed that anyone who opposes Calvin's doctrine or the TULIP formula are.