Christianity......what I have learned on here.

[Dibby53]

Well, judging by your undeniable disparaging remarks about Christian theology, which covered God, the Universe & Salvation (throughout these threads), yes, I was quite convinced?

I,m questioning Christian theology not disparaging it. Sorry if it comes across that way. Sometimes I get passionate in defending a point, especially if it is against a proposition that promotes suffering, ie. hell and damnation, the genocide of people etc.

 

[Dibby53]

You don't have to be an active "devil worshiper". You are one by default by rejecting Christ's Sacrifice for you, and worshipping a god of your own mind and making.

Or I understand things differently to you and am willing to question received wisdom and contemplate God for myself ?

 

[Dibby53]

I don't want you to have anything my way. That makes me responsible for you.
It would be nice if you applied some reading comprehension skills to the things that I write to you.

But earlier you said it was selfish of me to contemplate the divine in my own way. By that I assumed that you feel I should see things the way you see them in Christianity? Sorry if I misunderstood x

 

[Dibby53]

It is indeed ominous. I could offer you Pascals wager but I don’t need to suggest for you to gamble. It is plain, that God exists and He loves you, because Jesus died and resurrected for you. You keep making it seem as if God has an ultimatum that is evil, but you are missing the saving aspect of His offer.

You are airborne, falling to your death. A certain death. You are condemned to death. Yet, salvation is available as someone is descending with you but has a parachute. They extend their hand to you, and you are left with an ultimatum. Grab his hand and embrace, to live or continue falling to your certain death. Ominous as it seems, that is where humanity finds itself. Condemned in need of a savior and that is Jesus Christ.

I would extend my hand. Since I know I will be splattered on the ground! But why should I give up my freedom of thought based on speculation of what may, or may not happen after death?

 

[Dibby53]

Accept it or reject it.. That's in your fee willed ability to do.. In the end i cannot cause anyone to believe and accept the will of God.. Each person has to personally make that jump of Faith when they come to the moment of decision..

In the end those that believe God will be saved..

John 3: KJV
17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. {18} ¶ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

I don't see it as black and white like that. I prefer the gradual growth in knowledge rather than the "jump of faith ". A jump in faith, it seems to me, is to accept most of the propositions I start with on this thread. I like to think for myself.

 

[Whispered]

Anyone who don't want to believe will find reasons, even if they have to make them up.

Perhaps we might consider that believers use the same formula.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

But earlier you said it was selfish of me to contemplate the divine in my own way. By that I assumed that you feel I should see things the way you see them in Christianity? Sorry if I misunderstood x

No!
I said that the Divine gave the Divine's way.

"My own way" is a problem.

That the way of the selfish isn't acceptable to the Divine.

See below.

And there in lies the problem. "My own way." " The Divine", being Divine logically gave the Divine way of doing it, and don't find the way of the selfish to be very acceptable.

I don't speak in code or implications. I say precisely what I mean.
Don't misinterpreted my words to fit your feelings and wants. It's not only disrespectful, it's dishonest, and selective ignorance. I personally don't care what your agenda is, or what your problem with Christianity is.
I'm no more interested in trying to convert you than Jesus was in converting Herod, or Pilot. It's not even within my power to do so.
I will however testify to the truth; not as I see it but as it was given to me, by the "Divine"; as you put it.

 

[Whispered]

I would extend my hand. Since I know I will be splattered on the ground! But why should I give up my freedom of thought based on speculation of what may, or may not happen after death?

I would say no one is persuaded to accept faith in Christ through bullying, intimidation, and derogatory remarks pelted at them by those who claim to example faith in Christ.

Not all who say they are Christian are. God knows there are enough wolves in television ministry fleecing the sheep on a regular basis to prove that.

 

[Whispered]

No!
I said that the Divine gave the Divine's way.

"My own way" is a problem.

That the way of the selfish isn't acceptable to the Divine.

See below.



I don't speak in code or implications. I say precisely what I mean.
Don't misinterpreted my words to fit your feelings and wants. It's not only disrespectful, it's dishonest, and selective ignorance. I personally don't care what your agenda is, or what your problem with Christianity is.
I'm no more interested in trying to convert you than Jesus was in converting Herod, or Pilot. It's not even within my power to do so.
I will however testify to the truth; not as I see it but as it was given to me, by the "Divine"; as you put it.

Maybe before expecting respect you might consider being respectful.
Just a thought.

 

[Dibby53]

No!
I said that the Divine gave the Divine's way.

"My own way" is a problem.

That the way of the selfish isn't acceptable to the Divine.

See below.



I don't speak in code or implications. I say precisely what I mean.
Don't misinterpreted my words to fit your feelings and wants. It's not only disrespectful, it's dishonest, and selective ignorance. I personally don't care what your agenda is, or what your problem with Christianity is.
I'm no more interested in trying to convert you than Jesus was in converting Herod, or Pilot. It's not even within my power to do so.
I will however testify to the truth; not as I see it but as it was given to me, by the "Divine"; as you put it.

I,m sorry to have upset you. I hope I,m not in the same league as Herod! You feel God has revealed the truth to you. Who am I to argue with what you have found? Peace x

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Maybe before expecting respect you might consider being respectful.
Just a thought.

Maybe you should read the full conversation in context without imposing your feelings before venturing into a conversation.
That's just a thought.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I,m sorry to have upset you. X

I'm not up set. Just making an emphatic statement.
This is why I say exactly what I mean in a text format. Attempting to interpret based on black letters on a white page only creates misinterpretation, and misunderstanding.
I know it can be difficult but read it again but leave off the attempt to apply feelings and unwritten intent.

 

[Whispered]

Maybe you should read the full conversation in context without imposing your feelings before venturing into a conversation.
That's just a thought.

Maybe you should bridle your tongue presuming I did not do that. Meanwhile, you continue as before. When you expect respect you should show respect first. Otherwise, you make yourself worthy of getting back exactly what you give to others.
This isn't a conversation invitation. I don't enjoy those who's hobby is rancor and levying insults toward others.
We won't speak again.

 

[Dibby53]

I'm not up set. Just making an emphatic statement.
This is why I say exactly what I mean in a text format. Attempting to interpret based on black letters on a white page only creates misinterpretation, and misunderstanding.
I know it can be difficult but read it again but leave off the attempt to apply feelings and unwritten intent.

I guess we disagree on the " my own way" being the problem. It's not a problem for me.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

. I hope I,m not in the same league as Herod!Peace x

Not my point there. I am not your judge, and neither would I desire to be.
My point is that it is not with in my power to convert you, therefore not in my interest to try. The metaphor was for comparison not in personage but in interest.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Maybe you should bridle your tongue presuming I did not do that. Meanwhile, you continue as before. When you expect respect you should show respect first. Otherwise, you make yourself worthy of getting back exactly what you give to others.
This isn't a conversation invitation. I don't enjoy those who's hobby is rancor and levying insults toward others.
We won't speak again.

Good then things are as intended.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I guess we disagree on the " my own way" being the problem. It's not a problem for me.

And that's fine that we disagree. It's no me that you will answer to, and I will not answer to you.
I will invite you however to consider an idea if you will. Of coarse you are free to decline.
But let's say that you have a step son (who is about 16 years old, not mentally disabled) and he decides to honor you by scratching thank you for being an awesome dad into the side of your new car. Would that be ok?

 

[Dibby53]

And that's fine that we disagree. It's no me that you will answer to, and I will not answer to you.
I will invite you however to consider an idea if you will. Of coarse you are free to decline.
But let's say that you have a step son (who is about 16 years old, not mentally disabled) and he decides to honor you by scratching thank you for being an awesome dad into the side of your new car. Would that be ok?

Funny scenario. But no, I wouldn't like it. After all if he thought I was awsome he wouldn't damage my car!

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Funny scenario. But no, I wouldn't like it. After all if he thought I was awsome he wouldn't damage my car!

Lol, what if it weren't something quite that hyperbolic, but maybe something like he calls you a name that you didn't give him to call you, like maybe; " mighty man peach".

 

[BenFTW]

I would extend my hand. Since I know I will be splattered on the ground! But why should I give up my freedom of thought based on speculation of what may, or may not happen after death?

Salvation isn’t just a “get out of jail free card.” Giving your life to Christ, believing in the Gospel, affects your life now. You don’t need to wait for eternity to experience the reality of the Bible and what it says. You can actually have a relationship with God, hear from God, and have Him direct your steps in this life.

I am not trying to use fear of Hell as the motivation, as real as it is, but rather I am emphasizing to you, that God is extending His hand to you. It is God’s goodness that leads men to repentance, to change their mind and actions.

Do you really wish to live life in all its vanity to no end? Surely the end is death, but what if the actions you take in this life were eternal? What if the peace you seek isn’t found in the garden but the One who formed it?