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The once saved always saved arguments are so varied you'll probably just have to pick out the parts of my posts that address your particular brand. 
Its not like they got different views on what it takes to lose it? Some say only if you stop believing you will lose it, some say its the big sins, some say its a mortal sin, some say its any willful sin, sometimes its continuing for a long time in willful sin, some say you are NEVER EVEN SAVED until you get to the other side and Jesus judges you to be good enough. Get a hold of that one!
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The once saved always saved arguments are so varied you'll probably just have to pick out the parts of my posts that address your particular brand.
Once saved then saved eternally.
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I would have to say that person has NEVER WAS BORN AGAIN, and thus never had justification that only comes via Christ's Mercy and Grace.
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
We have that kind of Justification Before Time Began, when He wrote our names in the Lamb's Book of Life. And received it the MOMENT we Genuinely Believed in HIM, receiving HIM out of LOVE as LORD.
I thought I was Justified because of my infant Baptism and Membership in the Lutheran Church.
I found out after 3 attempts at SUICIDE the last week of 1977, when I was almost 29 years of age, that I was not even Saved. Wave, after wave of guilt over my WHOLE Lifestyle, washed over me, I fell to my knees, and prayed, "Please forgive me, Please forgive me. Lord, if YOU have a purpose for my life, YOU are going to have come into my life and run it; because I am making a total mess of it."
I knew that I was totally trust HIM, and surrendering control of my life to HIM forever, because I LOVED HIM, from the moment I actually said that Prayer that night. No one ever taught me that Prayer, I believe it Came from the Holy Spirit, the Moment I needed it MOST. I continued for awhile in the Lutheran Church, but found they could not feed the HUNGER FOR THE WORD in my Soul. So after the Lord brought a GODLY woman into my life, we found a conservative evangelical style of Church, and have been in that style of Church ever sense, even though we moved a lot.
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All of these have elements of truth in them and can pretty much be reconciled with one another. I have found the arguments that say you can lose your salvation to be very consistent. As far as I know they all agree that the willful sin, whatever people think represents that best, is an in your face affront to the graciousness of God's forgiveness in Christ and will solicit the wrath of God reserved for his enemies, not his sons.
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It is when you consider that more and more people, even Calvinists (lol!), are asserting that you can even stop believing in Christ's blood for forgiveness and you are still justified by that blood. That's a sad, sad day for the church. The leaven is almost done working it's way through the whole batch of dough. We're near the end.
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DO YOU UNDERSTAND that SALVATION and Justification has NOTHING to do with US, it is a FREE GIFT FROM GOD, and part of that FREE GIFT is FAITH ? ? ?
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
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Praise God this is not true...... and I am so blessed to have been given the correct biblical instruction on the gift of eternal life when I was born again at the age of 21... I say a prayer of thanks for that man/teacher everyday.
Eternal life is eternal and we cannot out sin the cross.
Eternal life is eternal and we cannot out sin the cross.
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The once saved always saved arguments are so varied you'll probably just have to pick out the parts of my posts that address your particular brand.
No only you have a twisted concept of exactly what OSAS actually believe.
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I wonder how many realize that believing in Double Predestination, be they followers of Calvinism, Reformed Theologies Denominations, make for God being first and foremost the author of sin?
So that all things would happen as God predestined for His elect and for His non-elect.
And then He created the garden where it would all transpire, "In the beginning....." So that God could fulfill His will, and save those whom He had predetermined to save. And damn those He had necessarily due to that predetermination, predestined to damnation.
Therefore, when all that is God's doing, and the planning of a Sovereign creator, missionary work, Jesus' command as pertains to the Great Commission, proselytizing, and even the printed word distributed across the globe, is presupposed to be of non-effect. Because God has already predetermined by His own Sovereign will those whom He has saved. And those whom He shall damn.
Which means Jesus was just a man, yet another in that age of false self-proclaimed messiah's duping a gullible public.
Because who needs a savior who is God incarnate as Emmanuel (God with us) is, when holding faith in him is impossible for the worlds people made totally depraved by God's predetermination for their fate, when that same God has predetermined who in the world and for all time from beginning unto the end, He will force into His grace. And then force to have faith in Him, because He first predestined them unto the incapacity to choose Him.
Can we who are in Christ now, those among us who are former addicts of any kind, who were on our knees being beat down by the world as we sought a savior, say, we in our brokenness did not choose Jesus?
Can we say instead that the Calvinist way of thinking about God is true? And God's own words are made of none effect because God obeys Calvin's corruption of His word?
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
So that all things would happen as God predestined for His elect and for His non-elect.
And then He created the garden where it would all transpire, "In the beginning....." So that God could fulfill His will, and save those whom He had predetermined to save. And damn those He had necessarily due to that predetermination, predestined to damnation.
Therefore, when all that is God's doing, and the planning of a Sovereign creator, missionary work, Jesus' command as pertains to the Great Commission, proselytizing, and even the printed word distributed across the globe, is presupposed to be of non-effect. Because God has already predetermined by His own Sovereign will those whom He has saved. And those whom He shall damn.
Which means Jesus was just a man, yet another in that age of false self-proclaimed messiah's duping a gullible public.
Because who needs a savior who is God incarnate as Emmanuel (God with us) is, when holding faith in him is impossible for the worlds people made totally depraved by God's predetermination for their fate, when that same God has predetermined who in the world and for all time from beginning unto the end, He will force into His grace. And then force to have faith in Him, because He first predestined them unto the incapacity to choose Him.
Can we who are in Christ now, those among us who are former addicts of any kind, who were on our knees being beat down by the world as we sought a savior, say, we in our brokenness did not choose Jesus?
Can we say instead that the Calvinist way of thinking about God is true? And God's own words are made of none effect because God obeys Calvin's corruption of His word?
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
The revelation that the gospel is true is called faith. Faith is knowing something is true that you can't see. God gives everyone that knowledge through the testimony of the Holy Spirit. Some people respond to the faith God gives to know the gospel is true by placing their trust in what they heard and they are saved, and some don't and they are lost. The response of believing or not believing belongs to the person themselves. Just because we're the one's who do the trusting that hardly makes our believing us trying to earn our own salvation, lol. Paul said that believing is the exact opposite of trying to earn justification through works.
Romans 4:5 KJV
"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
Romans 4:5 KJV
"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
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Jesus himself said blaspheme of the Holy Spirit out sins the cross.
Calling the Holy Spirit who testifies about the Son a liar by not believing in what he says is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The blood of Christ does not cover that. Going back to unbelief, like the Galatians were doing, is not covered by the blood of Jesus.
Calling the Holy Spirit who testifies about the Son a liar by not believing in what he says is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The blood of Christ does not cover that. Going back to unbelief, like the Galatians were doing, is not covered by the blood of Jesus.
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Oh, and just an aside, those three little brothers mom miscarried? According to TULIP and Calvinism, they are to face Hell come time.
Because TULIP's god ... sends infants and children to hell because he has predetermined to do so. Because God knows ahead of time who would have grown up to become Christians.
Because TULIP's god ... sends infants and children to hell because he has predetermined to do so. Because God knows ahead of time who would have grown up to become Christians.