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I think most people would be a little more than just irritated. Irritated is when someone cuts you off in traffic. Irritated is when something takes longer than it should. When people are throwing things in front of your face and yelling words in direct opposition to who you are praying to that is verbal and physical harrassment and it borders on criminal. THAT is why I say they are almost as bad as terrorists. BECAUSE THEY SHOW ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THIS MAN. That is not Christianity! That is HARASSMENT PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
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Let me lay down some facts:
Fact 1: Terrorists believe in forcing their religion down everyone's throats
Fact 2: Terrorists have no respect for other religions or for other's basic rights to worship as they please
Fact 3: Terrorists are not afraid to get in your face and chant at the top of their voice
Fact 4: These so-called Christians are guilty of 1,2 and 3!
NOTE: I said they were ALMOST as bad as terrorists!
Fact 1: Terrorists believe in forcing their religion down everyone's throats
Fact 2: Terrorists have no respect for other religions or for other's basic rights to worship as they please
Fact 3: Terrorists are not afraid to get in your face and chant at the top of their voice
Fact 4: These so-called Christians are guilty of 1,2 and 3!
NOTE: I said they were ALMOST as bad as terrorists!
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respond with love. bless those who curse you.
if I was praying and someone throw swords and chanted Allah I would ask them to get down and pray with me, and if I could pray for them because they seemed to be tormented by Anger which is a fruit of the flesh and sin.
Simply saying "May God bless you, I am praying for the state of the nation, homeless people and orphans, would you like to join me?"
will make most people step back, leave or start crying and telling you all their problems. It is very interesting, you should try it: just take your Bible and read in some very public place and see what happens.
I did it at McDonald's while my kids were playing and Jehovah Witnesses approached me and we talked about the Bible. Did you know they don't think Spiritual gift exist in this world? Strange.
It's all in God's hands, why worry? Just use it as an opening to talk of how Jesus came and saved the world.
if I was praying and someone throw swords and chanted Allah I would ask them to get down and pray with me, and if I could pray for them because they seemed to be tormented by Anger which is a fruit of the flesh and sin.
Simply saying "May God bless you, I am praying for the state of the nation, homeless people and orphans, would you like to join me?"
will make most people step back, leave or start crying and telling you all their problems. It is very interesting, you should try it: just take your Bible and read in some very public place and see what happens.
I did it at McDonald's while my kids were playing and Jehovah Witnesses approached me and we talked about the Bible. Did you know they don't think Spiritual gift exist in this world? Strange.
It's all in God's hands, why worry? Just use it as an opening to talk of how Jesus came and saved the world.
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You are absolutely correct in your assessment zero ...... and you can be certain that who you address this to is well aware. I was amused by an earlier post of his when he referred to the issue of "faux guilt" as the possible reason as to why some might find the actions of the "Christians" in that video offensive. A truer and more accurate assessment of this analysis would be to call it what it truly is...... that being "faux justification" for the unloving and unwarranted behaviour of those people. As I said in an earlier post on this thread ..... Hypocrisy and "justification" for unwarranted actions are one and the same. The "clever" attempts by anybody anywhere to veil this truth has it's origins based in a sense of false pride. Rest assured that if a group of Muslims acted in this manner towards his father, he would be more than "irritated" and would most certainly find it more than "no big deal". He fully realizes that we speak the truth. Let he who has ears to hear, hear.
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No one threw anything in front of the guy's face. They bent over and dropped some crosses at the guy's feet. Getting all worked up over that seems as fanatical and high strung as the people in this video being criticized.
Yes, yelling is immature, but one also has to consider that there was a large group of people and some of them were yelling to be heard. Whether someone would or should get more than irritated over yelling is a different matter. It's really not that big of a deal and it's a common occurrence in protests and large crowds.
That just looks like your overly emotional, irrational reaction. Isn't this somewhat similar to the type of reaction of the Christians in this video? Looks like it to me.
Look, (1) you are saying things in "direct opposition" to my belief here and (2) aren't caps the internet equivalent of yelling? Guess you're just a few steps behind being an internet terrorist.
"Forcing" your "religion down someone's throat" is such a tired cliche. If you did any witnessing at all, you'll soon realize that some unbelievers use this cliche to describe any attempt to share the gospel. What exactly qualifies as forcing your religion down someone's throat?
It's easy to make anyone looks like a terrorist if we "lay down facts" that are sufficiently broad. For example,
Fact: terrorists wear clothes.
Do you wear clothes? If so, does that make you more terrorist like than if you didn't wear clothes? Can you become less terrorist-like if you go nude?
You see the fallacy in this line of thought? I've seen this same behavior in your 3 facts in Democrats, Republicans, abortionists, pro-lifers, homosexual advocates, etc. etc. Does that mean all of them are almost as bad as terrorists? What you end up with is any protester being almost as bad as terrorists. Next time you see an animal rights activist group (or any group of protesters) outside picketing with signs walk up to them in a fur coat (or anything that opposes the group's ideology) and try to have a debate with them. You'll soon learn that everyone is "almost as bad as a terrorist" in that scenario.
You'll need a much stronger argument if you expect to be taken seriously in the "almost as bad as terrorists" charge.
Even if "these people" (who I think are starting to look similar to some people, including yourself, acting fanatical in this thread) have every quality in common with terrorists minus the desire to kill people for their faith that one missing quality would still be a huge and significant difference. There is a world of difference between being a disrespectful jerk and murdering people.... Apparently you have a hard time spotting that difference though?
Yes, yelling is immature, but one also has to consider that there was a large group of people and some of them were yelling to be heard. Whether someone would or should get more than irritated over yelling is a different matter. It's really not that big of a deal and it's a common occurrence in protests and large crowds.
That just looks like your overly emotional, irrational reaction. Isn't this somewhat similar to the type of reaction of the Christians in this video? Looks like it to me.
Look, (1) you are saying things in "direct opposition" to my belief here and (2) aren't caps the internet equivalent of yelling? Guess you're just a few steps behind being an internet terrorist.
"Forcing" your "religion down someone's throat" is such a tired cliche. If you did any witnessing at all, you'll soon realize that some unbelievers use this cliche to describe any attempt to share the gospel. What exactly qualifies as forcing your religion down someone's throat?
It's easy to make anyone looks like a terrorist if we "lay down facts" that are sufficiently broad. For example,
Fact: terrorists wear clothes.
Do you wear clothes? If so, does that make you more terrorist like than if you didn't wear clothes? Can you become less terrorist-like if you go nude?
You see the fallacy in this line of thought? I've seen this same behavior in your 3 facts in Democrats, Republicans, abortionists, pro-lifers, homosexual advocates, etc. etc. Does that mean all of them are almost as bad as terrorists? What you end up with is any protester being almost as bad as terrorists. Next time you see an animal rights activist group (or any group of protesters) outside picketing with signs walk up to them in a fur coat (or anything that opposes the group's ideology) and try to have a debate with them. You'll soon learn that everyone is "almost as bad as a terrorist" in that scenario.
You'll need a much stronger argument if you expect to be taken seriously in the "almost as bad as terrorists" charge.
Even if "these people" (who I think are starting to look similar to some people, including yourself, acting fanatical in this thread) have every quality in common with terrorists minus the desire to kill people for their faith that one missing quality would still be a huge and significant difference. There is a world of difference between being a disrespectful jerk and murdering people.... Apparently you have a hard time spotting that difference though?
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Nothing I said attempted to justify the people in this video. And I consistently used negative terms to describe them. That you or anyone else could take it as an attempt at justification only exhibits a lack of ability to rationally assess a position, due to an emotional, knee jerk response to a video (possibly motivated by faux guilt).
In other words, it evidences the same ignorant "act-from-my-gut-cuz-I-must-be-right!" that the people in this video exhibit... ironic.
In other words, it evidences the same ignorant "act-from-my-gut-cuz-I-must-be-right!" that the people in this video exhibit... ironic.
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Would you be so kind as to assist somebody that lacks the ability to rationally assess your position due to their emotional knee jerk responses ? Let's cut to the chase my friend. Your semantics and curve balls bore me. Your biggest criticism to date on this thread regarding the actions of the said protesters is that some acted "childishly" and that another was "immature" with her yelling. Hardly scathing and so please forgive my ignorant act-from-my-gut-cuz-I-must-be-right mentality because you also made these comments.
I thought it was "kinda funny" because it "didn't seem that bad to me".
A few people dropped crosses at the guy's feet. I don't really get what the point of doing this was, "but big deal". Hardly qualifies as "disgusting" or "more than wrong"...
One guy was holding a sign saying "Jesus Loves You"... Surely that's not "disgusting" or "more than wrong." .........(I suppose that this makes everything all right then ?)
One guy started thanking God for Egypt, Syria and other Middle Eastern countries and saying that Jesus loves them. Again, absolutely nothing wrong with that.....(Wasn't that nice of him ? This took place over the Muslim man while he was praying, no ? )
So, over all, "no big deal"......(To who ?? ......surely not the Muslim man or other Muslims that view this clip ?)
You want us to believe your sincerity ? Answer this simple question. Were the actions of these people acceptable behaviour for Christians in your view or were they unacceptable ? The gist of this entire thread revolves entirely around this question.......and each of us to date has given our opinions. What's yours ? And if you don't want anybody "misconstruing" your intent or thinking that you're attempting to justify, quit making up excuses. Their behaviour is either acceptable in your eyes or it isn't.
Ignoring the one person who clearly just wants to spark a controversy, I think it's pretty much popular opinion that, yes, these people are acting DISGUSTINGLY and they clearly do not have God in their hearts.
It's also very disrespectful and considered a personal insult to stand in front of a Muslim man or woman while they are praying. It's actually like saying "I am God" to them. Oh, how culture does not spread.
Also, I saw someone with a sign that said "to Hell" or something. Yes, so Christ-like.
It's also very disrespectful and considered a personal insult to stand in front of a Muslim man or woman while they are praying. It's actually like saying "I am God" to them. Oh, how culture does not spread.
Also, I saw someone with a sign that said "to Hell" or something. Yes, so Christ-like.
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No, there's nothing I can do for such a person. They've clenched their eyes shut and simply refuse to see. You're attempt here to "understand" is nothing more than attempt to take another stab at confirming what you already believe.
lol...
I referred to them as "odd," "immature," "childish," "maybe a bit cultish," implied that their "collective IQ to drop[ped] a few points," implied that they were "fanatical and high strung," and "disrespectful jerk."
That you think you have some "criticism" scale to weigh which one of those is the "biggest to date" is very amusing... but just empty rhetoric in the end.
That your criticism of my "biggest to date" is that it is "hardly scathing" is downright hilarious. And yes, your quoted remarks here look like you're grasping at straws with an ignorant "from-my-gut-cuz-I-must-be-right mentality." I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking you seriously here when all the huffing and puffing appears to be over the fact that my criticisms of these folks aren't up to snuff for you.
But that's not really what the huffing and puffing is about is it? No, it's most likely due to you having a taste of your own medicine when you called these people clowns and I said you were acting just as much like a clown. If I had come on this forum and just said:
"The Christians in this video or odd, childish, immature, a bit cultish, fanatical, high strung, disrespectful jerks whose collective IQ has appeared to dropped a few points."
no one would have probably even given my post much thought. It would have probably just been glanced over, to see if I was falling in line with the group-think of this thread. I find it highly implausible, even humorous, to think you would have responded "That's hardly scathing enough!"
No... the real source of the fire here is that I've pointed out similar tendencies and other criticisms of the people in this thread. You felt justified in criticizing these people and calling them clowns, but God save the man who should see clownish tendencies in yourself . A phenomena in social psychology, it's all facilitated by the group-think. This is what facilitates the Christians in this video to be so belligerent (add that to the list... I wonder if it weighs as the new "biggest" on your scale?) and its what facilitates the same belligerency of reactions by the group-think in this thread.
You appear incredulous at my suggestion of your irrational, knee-jerk response, yet here we have exhibit A (or C or D...). Nothing I said, to which this parenthetical remark refers, would indicate that "this makes everything all right." Yet you grasp at it. Why?
Yes, it was nice of him.
I don't know what you mean by "over"... yes, he said it while the Muslim man was praying. So what? I suppose you would have bowed your head in silent observance of the Muslim's prayers?
Yes, to the Muslim man in this video. He handled it very well. You and some others on this thread on other hand...
Since when has my sincerity been the issue? Do you think I don't believe what I'm saying? And why would you not believe that I believe what I'm saying? Anyway, an odd turn of events...
That is a very simple question. And anyone who reads my remarks in this thread without the irrational, "witch-hunt-those-who-step-outside-the group-think" mentality already knows the answer to the question. Those who don't know the answer to this question surely wouldn't be persuaded by a simple affirmation from me since what I've said is already much stronger than a simple affirmation. If they will not be persuaded by the stronger remarks neither will they be persuaded by the weaker.
What excuses have I come up with thus far?
lol...
I referred to them as "odd," "immature," "childish," "maybe a bit cultish," implied that their "collective IQ to drop[ped] a few points," implied that they were "fanatical and high strung," and "disrespectful jerk."
That you think you have some "criticism" scale to weigh which one of those is the "biggest to date" is very amusing... but just empty rhetoric in the end.
That your criticism of my "biggest to date" is that it is "hardly scathing" is downright hilarious. And yes, your quoted remarks here look like you're grasping at straws with an ignorant "from-my-gut-cuz-I-must-be-right mentality." I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking you seriously here when all the huffing and puffing appears to be over the fact that my criticisms of these folks aren't up to snuff for you.
But that's not really what the huffing and puffing is about is it? No, it's most likely due to you having a taste of your own medicine when you called these people clowns and I said you were acting just as much like a clown. If I had come on this forum and just said:
"The Christians in this video or odd, childish, immature, a bit cultish, fanatical, high strung, disrespectful jerks whose collective IQ has appeared to dropped a few points."
no one would have probably even given my post much thought. It would have probably just been glanced over, to see if I was falling in line with the group-think of this thread. I find it highly implausible, even humorous, to think you would have responded "That's hardly scathing enough!"
No... the real source of the fire here is that I've pointed out similar tendencies and other criticisms of the people in this thread. You felt justified in criticizing these people and calling them clowns, but God save the man who should see clownish tendencies in yourself
. A phenomena in social psychology, it's all facilitated by the group-think. This is what facilitates the Christians in this video to be so belligerent (add that to the list... I wonder if it weighs as the new "biggest" on your scale?) and its what facilitates the same belligerency of reactions by the group-think in this thread.You appear incredulous at my suggestion of your irrational, knee-jerk response, yet here we have exhibit A (or C or D...). Nothing I said, to which this parenthetical remark refers, would indicate that "this makes everything all right." Yet you grasp at it. Why?
Yes, it was nice of him.
I don't know what you mean by "over"... yes, he said it while the Muslim man was praying. So what? I suppose you would have bowed your head in silent observance of the Muslim's prayers?
Yes, to the Muslim man in this video. He handled it very well. You and some others on this thread on other hand...
Since when has my sincerity been the issue? Do you think I don't believe what I'm saying? And why would you not believe that I believe what I'm saying? Anyway, an odd turn of events...
That is a very simple question. And anyone who reads my remarks in this thread without the irrational, "witch-hunt-those-who-step-outside-the group-think" mentality already knows the answer to the question. Those who don't know the answer to this question surely wouldn't be persuaded by a simple affirmation from me since what I've said is already much stronger than a simple affirmation. If they will not be persuaded by the stronger remarks neither will they be persuaded by the weaker.
What excuses have I come up with thus far?
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It really is as simple as that FSUBoy
Any retorts made to me throughout this thread roll off me like water on a ducks back. I honestly couldn't care less. In the end, our friend is just seeking attention .....and if negative attention is all that's available, well, for some it's better than none at all. I harbor no malice towards him or anybody else here but threads like this one do help us to discern who is worthy of our respect and who isn't. God bless and keep you
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Psychologizing without any argument or reasons to back it up rings hollow.
I could say that the person who started this thread, Wolfywolfs, is the one who is trying to spark controversy and gain attention.
And some of the respondents to this thread are trying to spark controversy and gain attention. Isn't that one of the purposes of overly emotional, irrational response?
If a person can argue their case, then we have reason to think that their intention in the discussion is to make the case that they are arguing for.
But if a person can only repeat emotive cliches, does not interact with what's being said, straw-man's what the other person is saying, and psychocologizes with no argument to back it up, then we have reason to think that *this* is the person intending to spark controversy and get attention.
I could say that the person who started this thread, Wolfywolfs, is the one who is trying to spark controversy and gain attention.
And some of the respondents to this thread are trying to spark controversy and gain attention. Isn't that one of the purposes of overly emotional, irrational response?
If a person can argue their case, then we have reason to think that their intention in the discussion is to make the case that they are arguing for.
But if a person can only repeat emotive cliches, does not interact with what's being said, straw-man's what the other person is saying, and psychocologizes with no argument to back it up, then we have reason to think that *this* is the person intending to spark controversy and get attention.
I am emotional because this behavior is exactly the sort of thing that gives Christians a bad name.
This is exactly how Hollywood depicts Christians, as bible-thumping, insensitive people who love yelling at people who are just minding their own business and are full of themselves.
If that is ok with you, then I guess I will just have to respect your opinion.
This is exactly how Hollywood depicts Christians, as bible-thumping, insensitive people who love yelling at people who are just minding their own business and are full of themselves.
If that is ok with you, then I guess I will just have to respect your opinion.
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