CHRISTMAS

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Locoponydirtman

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Judges1318 said:
Fair enough, but so many Christians automatically call another believer's conviction to do something, or not to do something that they don't agree with 'legalistic'.

I can think of at least two uses of the word 'legalism' in the Bible.
1) Trying to earn salvation through 'legalistic' works, and
2) doing something in a 'legalistic' way that removes the original intent or meaning of what that something was supposed to accomplish.

Does Christmas fall into either of those categories?
With all due respect, I don't see the Christmas non-observant believer refraining for either of those reasons. But maybe somebody can show me otherwise.
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Many refrainers, will make the claim that by celebrating you violate the law of God. So it qualifies.
 
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Celebrating Christmas is not biblical, so we should be careful how we do it. Is what we’re doing honoring to God? That’s all.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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John146 said:
Celebrating Christmas is not biblical, so we should be careful how we do it. Is what we’re doing honoring to God? That’s all.
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Neither is driving a car, or typing messages into a forum, or microwave ovens, or literally millions of stuff that is part of our everyday lives.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Neither is driving a car, or typing messages into a forum, or microwave ovens, or literally millions of stuff that is part of our everyday lives.
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Absolutely, so we better be careful what we place in the microwave.😂
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Neither is driving a car, or typing messages into a forum, or microwave ovens, or literally millions of stuff that is part of our everyday lives.
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If something is not biblical, then we should look to bible principles that we could apply to that situation.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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John146 said:
Absolutely, so we better be careful what we place in the microwave.😂
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What if I just commit what I put in the microwave to the Lord with thanks giving before I eat it?
 
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Locoponydirtman

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John146 said:
If something is not biblical, then we should look to bible principles that we could apply to that situation.
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Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
Colossians 2:16 NASB

In respect to a festival. Yep looks like we are free to celebrate as long as we do it in a God honoring way.
 
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mailmandan said:
Amen! If certain people are convinced that they cannot, in good conscience, observe a particular Christmas tradition, then they don't need to observe it. If such people are convinced that a particular tradition is too steeped in paganism then they are free to forsake that tradition, yet there is no need to be legalistic about it. At the same time, if we are convinced that we can honor and worship God during Christmas, then we should honor and worship God. For Christians, Christmas can be an important part of the celebration of the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and it reminds us of that wonderful event that changed the world! So for Christians who celebrate Christmas, let us celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
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tradition is not pagan. Some very well maybe no the word Tradition does not mean all is ungodly or pagan.
 
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Judges1318 said:
3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth - Romans 14:3

Just replace 'eateth' with whatever disputable custom or observance you want, but the point is clear that we need to let people be governed by their own conscience without despising or judging them.
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Rejoicing in the Lord always need not be governed. Celebrating Christmas is one such way to rejoice in the Lord.
 
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Judges1318 said:
Fair enough, but so many Christians automatically call another believer's conviction to do something, or not to do something that they don't agree with 'legalistic'.

I can think of at least two uses of the word 'legalism' in the Bible.
1) Trying to earn salvation through 'legalistic' works, and
2) doing something in a 'legalistic' way that removes the original intent or meaning of what that something was supposed to accomplish.

Does Christmas fall into either of those categories?
With all due respect, I don't see the Christmas non-observant believer refraining for either of those reasons. But maybe somebody can show me otherwise.
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The basis of the OP is legalistic. If I’m wrong let the OP state as much.
 
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John146 said:
Celebrating Christmas is not biblical, so we should be careful how we do it. Is what we’re doing honoring to God? That’s all.
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watching the NFL is not Biblical we should be care how we do that.
 
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Judges1318 said:
Read the last part of the passage you quoted:

3For the customs of the peoples are delusion;
Because it is wood cut from the forest,
The work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool.

4“They decorate it with silver and with gold;
They fasten it with nails and with hammers
So that it will not totter.

5“Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they,
And they cannot speak;
They must be carried,
Because they cannot walk!
Do not fear them,
For they can do no harm,
Nor can they do any good.” Jeremiah 10:3-5 NAS

And this:

"we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one." - 1 Corinthians 8:4 KJV

For those who know and are convinced in their heart, idols and false gods are nothing. That is the knowledge that allows some Christians to celebrate Christmas.
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So we should celebrate something that is nothing? Why celebrate what God looks down on?
 
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Kim82

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Judges1318 said:
Ah, I see you posted the rest of the passage. :)
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They cannot do any good. They are useless, nonsense.

We are to busy ourselves with the things of God and not the things of the world. Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen
 
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Kim82

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Judges1318 said:
A little knowledge can educate a person's conscience about this matter and set them free to do the things you listed above.
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There is no such knowledge to set a Christian FREE to celebrate Christmas.
 
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Kim82 said:
So we should celebrate something that is nothing? Why celebrate what God looks down on?
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can you show me were in the Bible is Christmas not to be be celebrated? Then I ask you do you celebrate the yearly Passover that Jews did ? and IF you do why?
Judges1318 said:
Read the last part of the passage you quoted:

3For the customs of the peoples are delusion;
Because it is wood cut from the forest,
The work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool.

4“They decorate it with silver and with gold;
They fasten it with nails and with hammers
So that it will not totter.

5“Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they,
And they cannot speak;
They must be carried,
Because they cannot walk!
Do not fear them,
For they can do no harm,
Nor can they do any good.” Jeremiah 10:3-5 NAS

And this:

"we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one." - 1 Corinthians 8:4 KJV

For those who know and are convinced in their heart, idols and false gods are nothing. That is the knowledge that allows some Christians to celebrate Christmas.
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Please what a joke. This legalistic talk happen every year. yet many of these type don't even pay child support let alone buy gifts for their children. I would see more support for the birth of Christ from atheist LOL.
 
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Bah humbug
 
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Kim82 said:
They cannot do any good. They are useless, nonsense.

We are to busy ourselves with the things of God and not the things of the world. Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen
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And so is your useless nonsense.

We will celebrate Christmas.
You know the day that God in the flesh was born of Mary who came to save this world.
 
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Kim82

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blue_ladybug said:
Except a tree is not a graven image. Graven images are created, not grown naturally as a tree is..
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Did I hear you correctly? Did you say graven images are not grown? Read Isaiah 44:13-20

"A tree is not a graven image. Graven images are created." Would the fake christmas tree fall into that category?
 
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