Penal Substitution is NOT a “Theory”

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Judges1318

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ForestGreenCook said:
Christ paid in full for the sins of those that God gave him. If they are paid for why then would one of our sins keep us out of heaven?
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You misunderstand.
Sin doesn't keep the believer out of heaven......Except the sin of unrepentant, willful unbelief.
That is the one sin that can not be covered by the blood of Christ.
You can do a lot of things wrong and still be saved, but, ultimately, going back to unbelief is not one of them.
No sacrifice exists to cover the sin of rejecting the only sacrifice for sin there is, Jesus Christ.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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Nehemiah6 said:
RUBBISH. Read your Bible and stop spouting nonsense.

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (1 Timothy 1:15)

JOHN 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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In trying to understand what your thinking is, I ask this question; Do you think that sins were not paid for by Jesus's sacrifice? I am sure that I have explained the interpretation of the scriptures you have quoted, especially John 3:16.
 
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Judges1318 said:
You misunderstand.
Sin doesn't keep the believer out of heaven......Except the sin of unrepentant, willful unbelief.
That is the one sin that can not be covered by the blood of Christ.
You can do a lot of things wrong and still be saved, but, ultimately, going back to unbelief is not one of them.
No sacrifice exists to cover the sin of rejecting the only sacrifice for sin there is, Jesus Christ.
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Scripture please.
 
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garee

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Judges1318 said:
That is correct. That is what faith in Christ does for us. That's why we should keep having faith in Christ.

23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful - Heb. 10:23 NAS

For if we turn our back in unbelief to Christ's ministry of forgiveness we lose access to that forgiveness. That is the one sin that can not be forgiven, the sin of blasphemy of the Spirit, because you can't have the benefit of God's forgiveness in Christ if you reject the testimony of the Spirit about that forgiveness.

12Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. 13But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. - Hebrews 3:12-13 NAS
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I would offer. The fool has said in their heart there is no God. Christians do foolish things like deny Christ. But in the end of the matter Christ cannot deny us if he has begun the good work he will finish it. He who works in us is our confidence. We put no confidence in the flesh . . . what the eyes see.The temporal

:For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ :philippians 1:6

Saying we are saved by grace. . is hearing what the Spirit says to us. That same hearing of faith will continue to work out Christ's labor of love or work of faith in us. Can't septate his work from his faithfulness.

Galatians 3:1-5 King James Version (KJV) O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
 
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