Is the doctrine of limited atonement biblical?
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Maybe the God you serve looks at you as a dummy, but the God that I serve is one who teaches those who do not know. Do you look at your children as dummies? If you don't then in the same manner, my God does not look at me as a dummy, but as a student who is willing to learn his ways.
You are making preposterous statement that can take it to mean that God create dummies.
You are making preposterous statement that can take it to mean that God create dummies.
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As I previously stated, many distort the word of God because instead of allowing the Spirit of God to give them an understanding of the truth of God's word what God made clear when he first spoke, they go into the Scripture trying to interpret the word of God. If you have to interpret God's word then your God was not clear when he first spoke.
Your comment "regeneration comes first then conversion" makes no sense of all. If you are born-again it states that you have converted because you have repented. Those of you that are so caught up in this distorted teachings, let me call it what it is that you believe... a false teaching, one that is not scriptural. In your distorted view, one who is born-again does not mean that they will convert.
Even though you avoided my previous question, I will ask you another one... The Scriptures tell us that Israel is God's chosen people, my question to you, will all Israel enter eternal life to be with God, even those who served other gods? Remember that God show Israel.
Many of you guys have become oxumōron (Greek - oxus sharp + mōros stupid) in other words, pointedly stupid and sharp in it, stuck in stupidity. Stupid means slow to learn or understand just in case you don't know.
If you cannot substantiate your distorted view with Scriptures then do not bother responding. What I posted sounds harsh, but one needs to call it what it is that many of you guys are doing, distorting the word of God
As I previously stated, many distort the word of God because instead of allowing the Spirit of God to give them an understanding of the truth of God's word what God made clear when he first spoke, they go into the Scripture trying to interpret the word of God. If you have to interpret God's word then your God was not clear when he first spoke.
Your comment "regeneration comes first then conversion" makes no sense of all. If you are born-again it states that you have converted because you have repented. Those of you that are so caught up in this distorted teachings, let me call it what it is that you believe... a false teaching, one that is not scriptural. In your distorted view, one who is born-again does not mean that they will convert.
Even though you avoided my previous question, I will ask you another one... The Scriptures tell us that Israel is God's chosen people, my question to you, will all Israel enter eternal life to be with God, even those who served other gods? Remember that God show Israel.
Many of you guys have become oxumōron (Greek - oxus sharp + mōros stupid) in other words, pointedly stupid and sharp in it, stuck in stupidity. Stupid means slow to learn or understand just in case you don't know.
If you cannot substantiate your distorted view with Scriptures then do not bother responding. What I posted sounds harsh, but one needs to call it what it is that many of you guys are doing, distorting the word of God
Romans 9:6 says all Israel is not of Israel. Part of rightly dividing the word of truth is to understand that every time the scriptures refer to Israel it is not referring to the nation of Israel, but to Jacob, who is representative of God's elect people, Romans 9:11. God changed Jacob's name to be called Israel, Gen 32:28, And he said, thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel; for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. To answer your question, No not all of the nation of Israel will enter eternal heaven, only Jacob/Israel, which includes all of God's elect from Adam to the last one that will be born a natural birth. I am sorry to have to ask, but I thought I had answered all of your questions. Respectfully, can you call my attention to the question that I did not answer, and I will attempt an answer. Thanks. I have a question for you. Do you ever consult the original Greek meaning of words in the scriptures? I wonder how anyone can glean the true meaning of some scriptures without consulting the original Greek.
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Posthuman, I am responding to Forestgreencook and to those who say those who God chose cannot lose their salvation and if it is the case, then according to their view all from the tribe of Israel will have eternal life because God chose all Israel (not some) to be his people. For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you (Israel) to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth (Deuteronomy 7:6)
Posthuman, when one says the children of Israel, one is talking about the 12 tribes that came out of Jacob and most of the kings of the house of Israel did that which was evil in the sight of God, causing Israel to sin against God and follow after other gods and for this recent God removed them out of his sight and brought them to captivity under the Assyrians. My question to the calvinist, if God chose Israel will everyone from the 12 tribes have eternal life? Is no, it goes to show that the calvanist will only use the word chosen as the way they believe to fit their views.
Posthuman, when one says the children of Israel, one is talking about the 12 tribes that came out of Jacob and most of the kings of the house of Israel did that which was evil in the sight of God, causing Israel to sin against God and follow after other gods and for this recent God removed them out of his sight and brought them to captivity under the Assyrians. My question to the calvinist, if God chose Israel will everyone from the 12 tribes have eternal life? Is no, it goes to show that the calvanist will only use the word chosen as the way they believe to fit their views.
I made it clear prior to your post, I am referring to the 12 tribes and I mentioned the changing of Jacob's name. I do not look at any other translation than the KJV to make something clear, I go to the original language to see what it is meant. So, to you those of the tribe of Israel who died in their sins doing that which was evil in the sight of God have eternal life? This is a yes or no question.
Jeroboam the son of Nebat, a member of the Tribe of Ephraim did that that which was evil in the sight of God and caused Israel to sin and go against God, will he have eternal life and be with God, remember that he is of the tribe of Ephraim? Yes or No?
Jeroboam the son of Nebat, a member of the Tribe of Ephraim did that that which was evil in the sight of God and caused Israel to sin and go against God, will he have eternal life and be with God, remember that he is of the tribe of Ephraim? Yes or No?
Proverbs 3:5-7
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
No one dumber than someone that doesn't realize that they are dumb. Does this mean that we don't have the capacity to learn? No. It just means we are a bunch of dummies arguing over things we mostly don't even comprehend fully. Only dummies do that.
Trying to convince someone who thinks he is wise that he doesn't know what he is talking about is probably pretty dumb as well.
But here we are...
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
No one dumber than someone that doesn't realize that they are dumb. Does this mean that we don't have the capacity to learn? No. It just means we are a bunch of dummies arguing over things we mostly don't even comprehend fully. Only dummies do that.
Trying to convince someone who thinks he is wise that he doesn't know what he is talking about is probably pretty dumb as well.
But here we are...
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The inspired, by God, scriptures are not written to the natural man that cannot discern them and thinks they are foolishness, 1 Cor 2:14, But are written to all the born again, elect, children who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and are able to discern the scriptures. The scriptures tell us that we have eternal life and have the imputed righteousness of Christ, therefore, we do not have to go about trying to establish our own righteousness by our good works. There are no instructions informing us how to "get eternally saved", but the instructions contained in the scriptures are instructing us as to how God wants us to live our lives as we sojourn here on the earth. Rightly dividing the word includes rightly dividing "same words with different meanings", such as; World, salvation, all men, life, death, Israel, etc. This division is accomplished only by the revelation of the scriptures by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and with the help of Greek interpretation and the harmony of the scriptures. There may be some typographical errors made by the translators. Salvation by Greek translation means = "a deliverance". We are delivered (saved) eternally and we are delivered (saved, not eternally, but here in time) many times as we sojourn here on this earth. The scriptures are written as a mystery and can only be solved by the revelation of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and whomsoever he desires to reveal it to, by the process of us rightly dividing the word of truth, in line with harmonizing the scriptures.
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Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Do you understand these scriptures? Only the Children of God have eternal life.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Do you understand these scriptures? Only the Children of God have eternal life.
These questions cannot be answered by a simple yes or no, because your question does not designate which Israel you are referring to, whether it be the nation of Israel or Jacob/Israel. If you are referring to Jacob/Israel, then, Yes, they have eternal life because Christ paid for all of their sins upon the cross. The doctrine that Jesus taught is a comforting doctrine in the fact that if you are a part of Jacob/Israel and die suddenly without repenting of a sin you will go to heaven.
Proverbs 3:5-7
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
No one dumber than someone that doesn't realize that they are dumb. Does this mean that we don't have the capacity to learn? No. It just means we are a bunch of dummies arguing over things we mostly don't even comprehend fully. Only dummies do that.
Trying to convince someone who thinks he is wise that he doesn't know what he is talking about is probably pretty dumb as well.
But here we are...
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
No one dumber than someone that doesn't realize that they are dumb. Does this mean that we don't have the capacity to learn? No. It just means we are a bunch of dummies arguing over things we mostly don't even comprehend fully. Only dummies do that.
Trying to convince someone who thinks he is wise that he doesn't know what he is talking about is probably pretty dumb as well.
But here we are...
Proverbs 3:5-7
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
No one dumber than someone that doesn't realize that they are dumb. Does this mean that we don't have the capacity to learn? No. It just means we are a bunch of dummies arguing over things we mostly don't even comprehend fully. Only dummies do that.
Trying to convince someone who thinks he is wise that he doesn't know what he is talking about is probably pretty dumb as well.
But here we are...
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.
No one dumber than someone that doesn't realize that they are dumb. Does this mean that we don't have the capacity to learn? No. It just means we are a bunch of dummies arguing over things we mostly don't even comprehend fully. Only dummies do that.
Trying to convince someone who thinks he is wise that he doesn't know what he is talking about is probably pretty dumb as well.
But here we are...
Grandpa, maybe you are responding to the wrong person, I was comment on the person who said God looks at everyone as dummies and that was inappropriate. If you read what I wrote you will see that I am responding to a comment being made. Maybe you were the one that made that blunt statement that God looks at everyone as dummies, do he? I don't them think and I would never make such a preposterous statement.
You appear to be responding with truly reading what I posted. I never stated they are all Israel, I was referring to the 12 tribes, and to mention the Scriptures does say that Israel will be saved. By the way, the Gentiles are grafted in becoming part of the commonwealth of Israel.
I never said anything about the children of God, I was asking a question on the word chosen because calvinist uses that word only when they want it to fit their distorted view. I suggest you read carefully and respond according.
I never said anything about the children of God, I was asking a question on the word chosen because calvinist uses that word only when they want it to fit their distorted view. I suggest you read carefully and respond according.
You appear to write like he he did not died for all and I gave you Scriptures and you did not respond. You cannot answer with a simple yes or no because the only way calvinism be try to prove their distorted view is by writing what they think. Read my post, I was talking about the 12 tribes of Israel.
Tell me directly, are you a calvinist, YES or NO, you need not to explain.
Tell me directly, are you a calvinist, YES or NO, you need not to explain.