3 Tactics Calvinists Use Against Non-Calvinists
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But because you don't want to quote the whole verse and it's context, I'll give you which to really strengthen my position that upon hearing the word either one is to receive ( believed) it or reject it.
JOHN 12:
44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
King James Version (KJV)
Also the power of God unto salvation is the preaching of the gospel. So a sinner is saved once he believed. Simply salvation is a result of believing.
Romans 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Can a sinner knew God? Is there a capacity for a sinful nature of man to understand him? Yes but the problem is that they reject Him and his truth.
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
This preaching is in demonstration of the Spirit and of power so that our faith would not withstand in man's wisdom. is then my faith in him after hearing the gospel is of man's wisdom? NO!
1 Corinthians 2:
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The spiritual man (having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit) is able to discern the things of the Spirit. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him; NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned. The natural man does not know a spiritual God and neither will he him until he is born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So, if that which may be known of God (things of the Spirit) is manifest in them, they would have to have been born again, because the natural man thinks they are foolish and neither can he know them. If Romans 1 is talking about the natural man, then it would not harmonize with 1 Cor 2:14. I believe the scriptures harmonize, unless you are interpreting them wrong. Also, you do not have a good understand how depraved we are, although we have been born again. You will never understand grace, until you understand how depraved by nature that we are.
The whole chapter 2 of 1 Cor is pointing out the differences in the natural man and the spiritual man. Paul even states that he limits his preaching of God's wisdom to them that are perfect (mature) and not to the new born babes in Christ. The babes in Christ start out being nourished by the milk of the word, until they are strong enough digest the meat (wisdom of God). The natural man is not in Christ at all, until they have been regenerated, Eph 2.
The Greek interpretation of salvation = "a deliverance" You are misinterpreting scripture, if you apply all salvation scriptures to eternal deliverance. We are delivered many times here in this world. Those that Christ died for have had their sins blotted out, so, as far as our eternal deliverance is concerned, that has been taken care of and our eternal inheritance is assured. After we have been born again, and commit a sin it separates us from our fellowship with God, until we repent and he forgives us. When that happens we have just witnessed a deliverance (salvation). this deliverance is a result of believing.
The "salvation" in Romans 1:16 is not eternal deliverance, but a timely deliverance and is caused by believing.
Because you don't want the Spirit inspired word, you opted to tweak the meaning. It is a childish response if not a heretical view. Common theological/ecclesiastical meaning of salvation is the saving of the soul and I agree that it is the deliverance from sin and admission to eternal bliss, wrought for man by the atonement of Christ.
Well, if one is already saved, born again and sin, the scriptures says he needs to confess it and God s faithful to forgives us. In summary, when one sinned as saved, born again accordingly, we are forgiven as a result:
Scripture: from confession
ForrestGreenCook: of believing
King James Bible
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Paul speaks about the gospel of Christ and what it does to the sinners. He even certify that his preaching of the gospel is not of man. An this gospel is based on the dbr is what the Corinth were saved. Simply put are you having another gospel? Sorry man, you cannot handle scripture as it is.
King James Bible
Gal. 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Answer me this question; Once you were born again and given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, do you ever commit a sin? If so, does that do away with the forgiveness of the sins that Christ has already paid for on the cross? And if it does, would not Christ have died in vain?
Paul's audience is "those who are the church at Corinth". These people are promised an eternal deliverance when Christ comes back at the last day and gathers his elect. Is it your belief that the promise of eternal deliverance will be taken away from them, if they do not keep in memory what he preached? I believe the scriptures to teach that they will lose their fellowship with their God, temporary, until they repent and God forgives them. What say ye?
I think that we see it differently as to what was accomplished on the cross. I believe that Christ paid for the sins of all that the Father gave him, John 6:39, And I think that you believe that his death on the cross was just an offer to pay for their sins. Is this true, or not?
Its ongoing eternal work of faith or labor of love. . He as a work of Christ's faith begins the work as to how many the father gave to the Son drawing us to the Father . Those who do come he will in no wise cast out. . But will continue to work in them to both will and do the good pleasure of the father until the last day.
Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
The corrupted flesh profits for nothing.
You must realize though that FGC believes Christ's atoning sacrifice on the cross was only for those people God predetermined to save before the world came to exist. His TULIP tradition does not believe that Jesus died to save the worlds people and thus all who come to Him in faith.
Predestined to Heaven, those God chose to save and so sent Jesus to die for them alone.
Predestined to Hell, all those people God did not predetermine or elect to save when Jesus died on the cross.
FGC's Primitive Baptist faith is not grounded in the Gospel when it espouses the tenets of TULIP.
And yet and still again, John 3:16 nullifies that belief. That Jesus died on the cross and paid the sin debt for only those God predetermined to salvation.
That is your misinterpretation of John 3:16. You do not take in consideration that all scriptures must harmonize in order to see the truth of Christ's doctrine. The natural man, 1 Cor 2:14, will not believe in the things of the Spirit, until he has been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and then is able to discern spiritual things and become a "believer". God so loved the world of those believers and loved not the natural world, nor the things that are in that world. 1 John 2:15.
I would offer. No one can come unless the father enables. And if he has begun the good work he will finish it.
No man of his own volition understands therefore no one could seek. He as our prememince in all things must do the first work.
Romans 3: 11-10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rising on the last day is the result of mercy .Those who do not know Christ do not rise.
Death never to rise to new spirit life is the wage of sin.