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Rosemaryx

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No, I mean according to Christianity. Do you think you would still be saved?
I believe when Jesus said
Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
 
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EleventhHour

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I believe when Jesus said
Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Agree... they look to trip us up... we do not fall for there tricks!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I believe when Jesus said
Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
How many murders did Saul/Paul commit!
 

Lightskin

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Suppose you murdered someone, would you still be saved?
Yes, otherwise what you’re proclaiming is that the power of sin is greater than the power of God’s saving grace. Thank God His grace is sufficient.
 

VCO

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Actually James and Paul were addressing different groups of believers.

If you are willing to accept that, then there is no contradiction. If you try to mix the audience together, there will be.

I agree with Posthuman, they are addressing, all the Disciples of Jesus Christ, however SOME OF THEM ARE NOT SAVED.

In the Parable of the Gates:

Matthew 7:13-23 (NASB)
13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are
few who find it.
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
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"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you
[that is the inner, personal, Love Relationship, that only comes when you receive HIM as LORD meaning MASTER] DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'


Both WAYS, are only filled with disciples of Jesus Christ, and unbelievers are not even in this picture.

One WAY leads to the Destruction of Hades/Hell.

The Other WAY leads to Eternal Life.

This absolutely should be read in CONTEXT, because the MANY in verse 22 refers to the MANY in verse 13.

THEY ALL ARE DISCIPLES, which only means FOLLOWERS, and does not MEAN that they are SAVED.

HOWEVER, only those who enter the small Gate onto the narrow WAY, are Born Again Christians.

AND NOTICE, only a FEW find that WAY.


John 3:3 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied,I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:6 (HCSB)
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 

Rosemaryx

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That's you trusting in God. The very thing I said for you to do.
John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I know Jesus is who He says He is...
I have had many days in my early walk with our LORD where I did not understand Him , days when I thought I could lose my Salvation , or had lost my Salvation , but that was because I was relying on my own understanding , even through my dark doubts , He held me and has repeatedly told me through His word , He is faithful to keep hold of me...

To doubt our LORD is to trust in ourselves , He will never let me go , nor any other child of His , I never want to go back to doubting Jesus and live in fear that on certain days , I am not good enough , I am a daughter of the King most High ...
 

Rosemaryx

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John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I know Jesus is who He says He is...
I have had many days in my early walk with our LORD where I did not understand Him , days when I thought I could lose my Salvation , or had lost my Salvation , but that was because I was relying on my own understanding , even through my dark doubts , He held me and has repeatedly told me through His word , He is faithful to keep hold of me...

To doubt our LORD is to trust in ourselves , He will never let me go , nor any other child of His , I never want to go back to doubting Jesus and live in fear that on certain days , I am not good enough , I am a daughter of the King most High ...
We are either saved or we are not , there is no inbetween , goodness me :rolleyes:
 

PS

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I believe when Jesus said
Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Wrong answer. Jesus was talking to the Pharisees who were of the devil who sins from the beginning. Now we come to the Christian era, and we read:

(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 1Jn 3:8-10 KJV

In brief, a child of God cannot sin because it would grieve the Holy Spirit who dwells in them thereby committing blasphemy against the Spirit which as your post says will not be forgiven. Good luck to any OSAS member who believes they can sin and are always saved.
 

Rosemaryx

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Wrong answer. Jesus was talking to the Pharisees who were of the devil who sins from the beginning. Now we come to the Christian era, and we read:

(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 1Jn 3:8-10 KJV

In brief, a child of God cannot sin because it would grieve the Holy Spirit who dwells in them thereby committing blasphemy against the Spirit which as your post says will not be forgiven. Good luck to any OSAS member who believes they are always saved.
You can dig as deep as you want into your barrel , the further you dig the darker it gets , as for me , I lift up my eyes to our LORD , where my help comes from , you know the light , the LORD who tells us never will I leave you nor forsake you...
 
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The writer of Hebrews did not use the words, "lose your salvation" and I've heard numerous people who believe salvation can be lost claim you can get it back again. Maybe they believe it depends on the circumstances on how one lost it in the first place. :unsure:
Yes. It's called mitigating circumstances.
God gave the Galatians room to come back.
Why?
How long?
We don't know, it doesn't say. But I think it had much to do with their level of immaturity. Paul says God knew them, but pulled back from saying they knew Him.

Galatians 4:9 NAS
9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God...


I suggest that less room for coming back is given to the person who God knows but who also know Him to some degree.

By the way, 'known by God' puts them firmly in the camp of the genuinely saved (and chapter 3 says they have the Holy Spirit). Yet they fell away from justification in Christ. The very thing that Calvinism says can not happen or else it reveals you to have never been saved to begin with and places you among the particular group of people to whom Christ will say, "I never knew you". But as it is, we have this plain truth right in our Bibles that shows us genuine believers can 'leave' and be shown to have indeed been known by God and have the Holy Spirit in salvation.
 
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You can dig as deep as you want into your barrel , the further you dig the darker it gets , as for me , I lift up my eyes to our LORD , where my help comes from , you know the light , the LORD who tells us never will I leave you nor forsake you...
Just don't forsake Him and his promise will remain rock solid for you.
And you said you were trusting in Him, so you're on the rock solid ground of God's promise. (y)