Not By Works

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Works do not save, we are saved by the grace of God. However, we do need to live according to His will.
if this is required for salvation (justification) like you teach, and not a direct result of salvation (sanctification) like i preach

it is salvation by works.. period.


you saying it is not does not change that fact

if your working for a reward it is works or earning a wage

if your obedient because of gratitude, change and faith, it is called works of love, not to try to earn or maintain salvation
 
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Seriously... that is a silly question.

The issue is false doctrine that cannot save.... and those that promote or teach it.
it is becoming very obvious that this person is sliding in under the radar.....ONE gospel not two.....if one denies eternal security, they have not trusted the JESUS of the bible....end of the story....

My bible says eternal life....not temporary based upon performance.
 
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Seriously... that is a silly question.

The issue is false doctrine that cannot save.... and those that promote or teach it.
So Wesley is in hell for not being osas. Ok. I wonder if Keith Green believed in OSAS. Did he? I don’t want to believe he’s in hell.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I do not call the apostles liars. The things that are said by some on here are dreadful..
You have done it so many times I lost count

Paul said there is one gospel

according to you’re lied,

John said people who at one timeclaimed to believe but now do not believe were never saved

you said he lied

James said if you keep the whole law yet STUMBLE in one point your guilty of the whole law

you teach he lied,
 
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@EleventhHour you see how these guys devalue the truth and use moot points to try and make a point........amazing how many claim Christ and yet will embrace something that is false in an ecumenical way and then try and say a MAN that believes in the LOSS of salvation is a BROTHER with one that believes in eternal security....ALL while denying....TWO cannot walk together unless agreed.....this is exactly why biblical Christianity is beginning to wane.......a little false dogma here, a little there....embrace this fallacy here a little there and let's just all get together and sin Kum BA YAH.........
 
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You have said enough.
Let me tell you I am not even getting started......as long as men like you devalue the truth and JESUS by what you peddle I will SHOUT it from the roof tops pal......and DO not for one MINUTE mistake my zeal for ANGER.......because I am as happy as they come!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So Wesley is in hell for not being osas. Ok. I wonder if Keith Green believed in OSAS. Did he? I don’t want to believe he’s in hell.
it does not matter who it is

if they teach god does not perfect forever those being sanctified, and they must maintain salvation something is seriously wrong

paul said one gospel not 2 not 3 not many

 
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it is becoming very obvious that this person is sliding in under the radar.....ONE gospel not two.....if one denies eternal security, they have not trusted the JESUS of the bible....end of the story....

My bible says eternal life....not temporary based upon performance.
Incorrect. My posts clearly defend eternal security. I just condemn nosas people to hell, like you do, especially when their position might change in five years. I was saved,but did not have knowledge of eternal security. God corrected me. By your standard, I was not saved until I believed osas. That is basing salvation on correct doctrine of osas, instead of the new birth.
 

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it does not matter who it is

if they teach god does not perfect forever those being sanctified, and they must maintain salvation something is seriously wrong

paul said one gospel not 2 not 3 not many
Nobody is perfect.