"All Have sinned," really?

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Ahwatukee

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It’s written in the Bible that “all have sinned,” then we watch the St. Jude adds on TV and wonder what sins these unfortunate handicapped and cancer patient children have committed. Do you wonder as I do about that? Some are but babes yet. Can someone explain please?
Good day Robo36,

I believe that there is an age of accountability. God is not going to condemn a child who doesn't even know what sin is or is not even aware of the world around him/her. However, God is just and it is His Sovereign decision.

"So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."

All who have come to an age of accountability are guilty of sin.
 
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Good day Robo36,

I believe that there is an age of accountability. God is not going to condemn a child who doesn't even know what sin is or is not even aware of the world around him/her. However, God is just and it is His Sovereign decision.

"So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."

All who have come to an age of accountability are guilty of sin.
I agree and I think accountability has nothing to do with rather a person has cancer or not young or old.
 

Ahwatukee

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I agree and I think accountability has nothing to do with rather a person has cancer or not young or old.
Regarding cancer, disease and such, it reminds me of this event which took place with Jesus and his disciples:

The bottom line is that, it is because of sin that we have all of these diseases, sicknesses, grow old and die. Praise be to God that we have the promise of new immortal and glorified bodies. There will be no more death, or pain or sorrow. For those things will have passed away.

"And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us."
 
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Regarding cancer, disease and such, it reminds me of this event which took place with Jesus and his disciples:

The bottom line is that, it is because of sin that we have all of these diseases, sicknesses, grow old and die. Praise be to God that we have the promise of new immortal and glorified bodies. There will be no more death, or pain or sorrow. For those things will have passed away.

"And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us."
Yes Sir, speaking on the little ones and the less fortunate, they will have the best seat in the house.

I think it is these who will have better rewards and rightly so, the children who don’t get to have a full life or suffer greatly because of this broken world will have a eternal life that will be full of rewards God hasn’t forgotten them or ignoring the state their in
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The rain falls on the just and the unjust.......
Who can say what God's ultimate plan is in the live of those affected by disease,disasters, or any misfortune.

We place our faith and trust in Him alone,for He is the creator!
Amen to that
 
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It’s written in the Bible that “all have sinned,” then we watch the St. Jude adds on TV and wonder what sins these unfortunate handicapped and cancer patient children have committed. Do you wonder as I do about that? Some are but babes yet. Can someone explain please?
The Bible says that the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones which means we are born innocent with no sin on our record, and the angels protect us spiritually until the time of accountability.

Adam and Eve were created knowing God and had an innocent nature, and we are not blamed for their sin for that is their sin and everybody will be responsible for their own sins.

It would of never entered their mind to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil unless an outside source tempted them.

So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she said that they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could know and think.

Then Satan tempted her with an alternate reality that she will be greater and they would be like gods and she sinned, and then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him she did not die and nothing bad happened to her and he sinned.

Then they had a choice between good and evil and would have to make a choice of what they would do.

So all their offspring were born with a choice and Eve is the mother of all living, so we are born not knowing God so we will do wrong before we do right and follow God, which all have sinned, done the act not born with it, and come short of the glory of God.

So we are born innocent with no sin on our record, and God knows the heart, and intelligence of people, and knows at what point they are accountable, and it could be some of the children at Saint Jude are not at the age of accountability, and some might have been and sinned but then went to the Hospital.

Just because they are handicapped or have cancer does not mean they did not sin but God knows when they are accountable.

If they understand right and wrong then they would be accountable and if they do not understand it they would not be accountable.

If they are mentally handicapped that is severe they might not ever be accountable if they do not understand but then how did they sin that they would be accountable for which they would not but would be like the babies, and young children that do not understand.

If a baby dies when it is two months old it would not be accountable for any sins then how can all people have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

But those children at Saint Jude are adorable and appear very mild mannered, but they could of stolen something small and knew it was wrong, or something minor.

We are only accountable if we know it is wrong and we do it and I am sure that we would have to understand it thoroughly and time given us to be accountable.

But it would seem like not all have sinned and come short of the glory of God when babies, and young children, are not accountable yet, and mentally handicapped might never be accountable, but that does not mean they might not have sinned but they are not accountable for it.

So it must mean only those accountable understanding it have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Maybe it is the guilt factor involved for a child if that young would not really feel guilty for stealing something that is lying around the house or saying no to the parents unless it is pointed out to them but then they still do not understand it fully.
 
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The Bible says that the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones which means we are born innocent with no sin on our record, and the angels protect us spiritually until the time of accountability.

Adam and Eve were created knowing God and had an innocent nature, and we are not blamed for their sin for that is their sin and everybody will be responsible for their own sins.

It would of never entered their mind to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil unless an outside source tempted them.

So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she said that they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could know and think.

Then Satan tempted her with an alternate reality that she will be greater and they would be like gods and she sinned, and then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him she did not die and nothing bad happened to her and he sinned.

Then they had a choice between good and evil and would have to make a choice of what they would do.

So all their offspring were born with a choice and Eve is the mother of all living, so we are born not knowing God so we will do wrong before we do right and follow God, which all have sinned, done the act not born with it, and come short of the glory of God.

So we are born innocent with no sin on our record, and God knows the heart, and intelligence of people, and knows at what point they are accountable, and it could be some of the children at Saint Jude are not at the age of accountability, and some might have been and sinned but then went to the Hospital.

Just because they are handicapped or have cancer does not mean they did not sin but God knows when they are accountable.

If they understand right and wrong then they would be accountable and if they do not understand it they would not be accountable.

If they are mentally handicapped that is severe they might not ever be accountable if they do not understand but then how did they sin that they would be accountable for which they would not but would be like the babies, and young children that do not understand.

If a baby dies when it is two months old it would not be accountable for any sins then how can all people have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

But those children at Saint Jude are adorable and appear very mild mannered, but they could of stolen something small and knew it was wrong, or something minor.

We are only accountable if we know it is wrong and we do it and I am sure that we would have to understand it thoroughly and time given us to be accountable.

But it would seem like not all have sinned and come short of the glory of God when babies, and young children, are not accountable yet, and mentally handicapped might never be accountable, but that does not mean they might not have sinned but they are not accountable for it.

So it must mean only those accountable understanding it have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Maybe it is the guilt factor involved for a child if that young would not really feel guilty for stealing something that is lying around the house or saying no to the parents unless it is pointed out to them but then they still do not understand it fully.
That’s a good read Matt you make some good points about accountability

I think when it says all people have sinned means all flesh born is accountable not the action of the individual that is a whole other issue.
 
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all flesh born into this world is accountable for sin outside of personal accountability
 
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Got to be careful not to mix the two, all have sinned isn’t about people’s actions that are of sin.
 
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The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Who among us has taught their child how to LIE? It is the nature we have from ADAM.......even our conception is in sin.....

Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

By one man and by one man......note the following profound truth.....and WHY!

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
 
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The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Who among us has taught their child how to LIE? It is the nature we have from ADAM.......even our conception is in sin.....

Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

By one man and by one man......note the following profound truth.....and WHY!

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
Reminds of a vid I seen today, haha
 
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Everyone is born wicked through Adam.
 
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The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Who among us has taught their child how to LIE? It is the nature we have from ADAM.......even our conception is in sin.....

Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

By one man and by one man......note the following profound truth.....and WHY!

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
On a serious note you made some interesting statements I’ve read that using the palms 58 with other mentioning of the original sin may not be so equally yoked,

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/793-does-psalm-58-teach-original-sin
 

Journeyman

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Where would that knowledge come from a child if not the word of God? People perish without that knowledge.( the gospel)

Because we are part of a corrupted creation we know as soon as a person is born. . . not having a faith that comes from hearing the word of God .They go forth telling lies . No training need for that. A good work , God working in us is needed from us to introduce the gospel . They are born under the authority of father of lies the god of this world.

Marvel not that all persons young or old must be born again. Perhaps some did hear the word of God while in their mother womb and leap like that of John the Baptist . To leap for joy is a metaphor used to represent being born again

Luke 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

It was revealed to David that his child was born again. He washed his face and went about business as usual being comforted with the mercy that God had on his child. We walk by faith. The unseen eternal.
I don't remember what it was like in my mothers womb, but I do remember believing in God because my parents told me he exists.