All things James

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So, I guess NONE of the Bible applies to ANYONE who is not a Jew.

Hmm.....

Just when I think things could not get more weird here, they get more weird here.... No wonder the world laughs at us.....
Paul’s epistles are directed to neither Jew or Gentile but the body of Christ. Yes, no wonder the world laughs. We force Jewish doctrines to the body of Christ. This is where we get works salvation, water baptism for salvation, tongues, no eternal security, etc...
 
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James points to Job as an example of patience through suffering. Job’s 42 chapters are likened to the 42 months of the great tribulation. The one who endures to the end without turning against God, will enjoy blessings greater than they’ve ever experienced in the Millennium.

James 5
10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
these things where true for the people who read it as well in 1700s 1800s 1900s and the twentieth century and beyond.

James 5
8 So also be ye patient, and fortify your hearts; for the advent of our Lord draweth nigh
9 Be not querulous one against another, my brethren, lest ye be judged: for lo, the judgment , standeth before the door.
10 For patience in your afflictions, my brethren, take to you the example of the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord.
11 For lo, we ascribe blessedness to them who have borne suffering. Ye have heard of the patience of Job; and ye have seen the result which the Lord wrought for him: for the Lord is merciful and compassionate.
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear ye not; neither by heaven, nor by the earth, nor by any other oath: but let your language be yes, yes, and no, no, lest ye become obnoxious to judgment.
 
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st.james sent a letter to people in first century not mail it to 21st century.
God declares the end from the beginning. James was talking to them and he was also talking to us today. We see this in matthew chapter 24 when Jesus was answering two questions at the same time. When would the Temple in Jerusalem be destroyed and when would the end of this age be that we are living in now. '“Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?" (Matthewe 24:3) The first thing Jesus did was to warn them about deception.
 
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So, I guess NONE of the Bible applies to ANYONE who is not a Jew.

Hmm.....

Just when I think things could not get more weird here, they get more weird here.... No wonder the world laughs at us.....
Why would one care if the world laughs let them
 

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these things where true for the people who read it as well in 1700s 1800s 1900s and the twentieth century and beyond.

James 5
8 So also be ye patient, and fortify your hearts; for the advent of our Lord draweth nigh
9 Be not querulous one against another, my brethren, lest ye be judged: for lo, the judgment , standeth before the door.
10 For patience in your afflictions, my brethren, take to you the example of the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord.
11 For lo, we ascribe blessedness to them who have borne suffering. Ye have heard of the patience of Job; and ye have seen the result which the Lord wrought for him: for the Lord is merciful and compassionate.
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear ye not; neither by heaven, nor by the earth, nor by any other oath: but let your language be yes, yes, and no, no, lest ye become obnoxious to judgment.
Spiritually, yes, but not literally. The return of the Lord was not near.

What about this? When elders pray over the sick, are they always healed? “shall save the sick.” Are sins forgiven through the prayers of others?

James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
 
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these things where true for the people who read it as well in 1700s 1800s 1900s and the twentieth century and beyond.
Yes but this is the latter rain. This is the time people in the past have looked forward to and people in the future will look back on when: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever." (Rev 11:15) The devil knows his time is short and he is putting up a fight but he was defeated at Calvary.
 

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God declares the end from the beginning. James was talking to them and he was also talking to us today. We see this in matthew chapter 24 when Jesus was answering two questions at the same time. When would the Temple in Jerusalem be destroyed and when would the end of this age be that we are living in now. '“Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?" (Matthewe 24:3) The first thing Jesus did was to warn them about deception.
Nope, chapter 24 is about the tribulation and the Lord’s return as King. In the tribulation, one must endure to the end to be physically saved.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 

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Yes but this is the latter rain. This is the time people in the past have looked forward to and people in the future will look back on when: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever." (Rev 11:15) The devil knows his time is short and he is putting up a fight but he was defeated at Calvary.
Yes, the latter rain points to the return of Christ. Elijah will return and make it not rain for 3 1/2 years, then it will rain and Jesus will return.
 
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Spiritually, yes, but not literally. The return of the Lord was not near.

What about this? When elders pray over the sick, are they always healed? “shall save the sick.” Are sins forgiven through the prayers of others?

James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
there are gifts that not everyone has and there are healings that don’t always come even from the gifted, you might ask why well God knows best.

a person who dies of a disease can as well be saved
 

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there are gifts that not everyone has and there are healings that don’t always come even from the gifted, you might ask why well God knows best.

a person who dies of a disease can as well be saved
James says no ifs, but shall be saved. During the tribulation the gifts of healing will return, as well as the other sign gifts proving to the Jews the message of the Lord’s return.
 
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Yes but this is the latter rain. This is the time people in the past have looked forward to and people in the future will look back on when: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever." (Rev 11:15) The devil knows his time is short and he is putting up a fight but he was defeated at Calvary.
huh well I wonder what Christian people thought about as you say latter rain of WW2
 
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Elijah will return and make it not rain for 3 1/2 years, then it will rain and Jesus will return.
This is when Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives. ""Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." (Acts 1:11) We know from the study of plate technotics that this event will be exactly as Zechariah tells us: On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south. (Zechariah 14:4)
 
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huh well I wonder what people thought about as you say latter rain of WW2
The WW2 people were very intent about rebuilding the world and repairing all the damage caused by the war. I am talking about what Moses tells us: :I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil." (Deut 11:14)
 
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The WW2 people were very intent about rebuilding the world and repairing all the damage caused by the war. I am talking about what Moses tells us: :I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil." (Deut 11:14)
i guess you missed my point but it’s ok

as far as Moses yea that is a everyday thing no tribulation there, everyone goes through seasons.
 
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The pure words of God as found in the KJV.
The pure word is found in the original Hebrew Language. This goes back to before God confused the Language at the Tower of Babel. I believe that God does honor the KJV when He ways He is watching over His word. All translations have their problems and the KJV is no exception. That is why we need to go back and study the origional language. Esp the Torah that we received from Moses.
 
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i guess you missed my point but it’s ok

as far as Moses yea that is a everyday thing no tribulation there, everyone goes through seasons.
There is not much to go on for a tribulation period. Neil Degrasse Tyson does talk about a 7 year period of time though that begins in the 2,000 year anniversary of the Church. Will actually Pentacost is 50 days after Passover. This is about all I have to go by.

 
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The pure word is found in the original Hebrew Language. This goes back to before God confused the Language at the Tower of Babel. I believe that God does honor the KJV when He ways He is watching over His word. All translations have their problems and the KJV is no exception. That is why we need to go back and study the origional language. Esp the Torah that we received from Moses.
when you go back to read the Torah read day three before day four I think that’s the way