Harry Potter Jesus figure

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daddydanny

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let the flamewars begin!

If you have read the books as opposed to just listening to people who haven't read them condemn them then you know this is the case.

Harry has to die in order for Voldermort to be destroyed. Jesus died on the cross in order to destroy sin and give us the chance to be redeemed by God.
 
Demi777

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Uhm...are u seriously pulling parallels between a wizard from a fiction series and Jesus? Seriously?
 
blue_ladybug

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Apparently you watch too many Harry Potter movies.. :rolleyes:
 
daddydanny

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Demi777 said:
Uhm...are u seriously pulling parallels between a wizard from a fiction series and Jesus? Seriously?
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read the books. Harry suffers. his Aunt and Uncle hate him for what he is. when he gets to hogwarts because of the mystique that has grown around him hes uncomfortable. His parents best friend betrays them his Mother dies for him and imparts protection against evil.

i could go on and on.
 
daddydanny

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blue_ladybug said:
Apparently you watch too many Harry Potter movies.. :rolleyes:
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nope ive read the books multiple times over. the Christian imagery is a lot more in the books. the movies took it out to appeal to a more secular audience.
 
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let the flamewars begin

that tells me you actually know better

feel free to enjoy the Potter series, but trying to compare a holy God and Savior to a witch (what Potter actually is) is siding with the devil

the devil comes as an angel of light...and he presents that light to the 'saved' trying to lead them astray

I pray you turn from this sad and frivolous occupation of believing a witch actually represents God who is holy and just
 
NotmebutHim

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I'm beginning to wonder if it's troll season around these parts. Not just this thread, but other recent ones as well...... :rolleyes:
 
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Religious themes can make for some very compellingly popular literature... if you can call Harry Potter that :giggle:

I wonder if in J.K. Rowlings case it was as deliberate as Tolkien's :unsure:

Over the years, some religious people, particularly Christians, have decried Rowling's books for supposedly promoting witchcraft. Rowling identifies as a Christian. She once said, "I believe in God, not magic." Early on she felt that if readers knew of her Christian beliefs they would be able to predict plot lines of characters in her books.

In 2007, Rowling said she was the only one in her family who went regularly to church; she was an adherent of the Church of England. As a student she became annoyed at the "smugness of religious people" and attended less often. Later, she started to attend a Church of Scotland congregation at the time she was writing Harry Potter. Her eldest daughter, Jessica, was baptised there.

In a 2006 interview with Tatler magazine, Rowling noted that, "like Graham Greene, my faith is sometimes about if my faith will return. It's important to me." She has said that she has struggled with doubt, that she believes in an afterlife, and that her faith plays a part in her books. In a 2012 radio interview, she said that she was a member of the Scottish Episcopal Church, a province of the Anglican Communion. from wiki
 
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I checked out your profile, which I sometimes do with people who make remarks such as yours, and you state you are not sure of your spiritual status

that could explain what you think about the Potter books

do you believe Jesus took your place on the cross? that He died so that you could be rid of your sin and guilt and approach God?

that is the beginning of a Christian.

do you see this in Harry? does he cleanse people of sin and create a new nature by the Holy Spirit within them?

again, Harry and the whole lot at Hogwart's are witches and the enemy of God

God actually states in the Old Testament that a witch should not be allowed to live

from that evidence alone, we can conclude that no, Harry Potter is not a savior...the concept is fake and allows the devil to lead people into even more confusion and deception
 
daddydanny

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7seasrekeyed said:
I checked out your profile, which I sometimes do with people who make remarks such as yours, and you state you are not sure of your spiritual status

that could explain what you think about the Potter books

do you believe Jesus took your place on the cross? that He died so that you could be rid of your sin and guilt and approach God?

that is the beginning of a Christian.

do you see this in Harry? does he cleanse people of sin and create a new nature by the Holy Spirit within them?

again, Harry and the whole lot at Hogwart's are witches and the enemy of God

God actually states in the Old Testament that a witch should not be allowed to live

from that evidence alone, we can conclude that no, Harry Potter is not a savior...the concept is fake and allows the devil to lead people into even more confusion and deception
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Yes i do believe Jesus died on the cross.

there's a big difference between a fictional character(potter et al) and religious doctrine. it has already been pointed out that tolkien used this and i would add another c.s lewis. would you claim c.s lewis believed in talking lions?
 
daddydanny

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Magenta said:
Religious themes can make for some very compellingly popular literature... if you can call Harry Potter that :giggle:

I wonder if in J.K. Rowlings case it was as deliberate as Tolkien's :unsure:

Over the years, some religious people, particularly Christians, have decried Rowling's books for supposedly promoting witchcraft. Rowling identifies as a Christian. She once said, "I believe in God, not magic." Early on she felt that if readers knew of her Christian beliefs they would be able to predict plot lines of characters in her books.

In 2007, Rowling said she was the only one in her family who went regularly to church; she was an adherent of the Church of England. As a student she became annoyed at the "smugness of religious people" and attended less often. Later, she started to attend a Church of Scotland congregation at the time she was writing Harry Potter. Her eldest daughter, Jessica, was baptised there.

In a 2006 interview with Tatler magazine, Rowling noted that, "like Graham Greene, my faith is sometimes about if my faith will return. It's important to me." She has said that she has struggled with doubt, that she believes in an afterlife, and that her faith plays a part in her books. In a 2012 radio interview, she said that she was a member of the Scottish Episcopal Church, a province of the Anglican Communion. from wiki
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Tolkien had an agenda she did not. her goal was to write a good story the number one rule of a good story is write what you know.
 
daddydanny

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7seasrekeyed said:
I checked out your profile, which I sometimes do with people who make remarks such as yours, and you state you are not sure of your spiritual status

that could explain what you think about the Potter books

do you believe Jesus took your place on the cross? that He died so that you could be rid of your sin and guilt and approach God?

that is the beginning of a Christian.

do you see this in Harry? does he cleanse people of sin and create a new nature by the Holy Spirit within them?

again, Harry and the whole lot at Hogwart's are witches and the enemy of God

God actually states in the Old Testament that a witch should not be allowed to live

from that evidence alone, we can conclude that no, Harry Potter is not a savior...the concept is fake and allows the devil to lead people into even more confusion and deception
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Pure bloods in the story hate regular humans and use severe methods to show their domination. Voldermort wants eternal life but instead of using love he goes about it by using spells and potions. he uses the worst spell actually tearing apart his soul to keep him alive.

according to scripture Satan knows the word of God but he perverts it. instead of believing in the saving grace of love he perverts(agapa love) himself to using man made ways of trying to stay alive.
 
Magenta

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daddydanny said:
Tolkien had an agenda she did not. her goal was to write a good story the number one rule of a good story is write what you know.
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I would be inclined to think her agenda was to make money through story-telling, and that she did... rather than lead people to Christ. My daughter has read all the books and I remember her telling me that J.K. Rowling had been sued for stealing her ideas from another author. Whether this is true or not I do not know, but I believe it was not judged that way in court. "Write what you know"? It is fiction :geek::giggle::geek:

In 2004, Forbes named Rowling as the first person to become a US-dollar billionaire by writing books, the second-richest female entertainer and the 1,062nd richest person in the world. Rowling disputed the calculations and said she had plenty of money, but was not a billionaire. The 2016 Sunday Times Rich List estimated Rowling's fortune at £600 million, ranking her as the joint 197th richest person in the UK. In 2012, Forbes removed Rowling from their rich list, claiming that her US$160 million in charitable donations and the high tax rate in the UK meant she was no longer a billionaire. In February 2013 she was assessed as the 13th most powerful woman in the United Kingdom by Woman's Hour on BBC Radio 4. from wiki
 
Lynx

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So... we like to stir big pots to see what happens?

How does Harry Potter's mother dying have anything to do with Jesus? Mary didn't give her life for Jesus.

I smell a troll.
 
daddydanny

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Lynx said:
So... we like to stir big pots to see what happens?

How does Harry Potter's mother dying have anything to do with Jesus? Mary didn't give her life for Jesus.

I smell a troll.
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its christian symbolism.
 
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If every person who ends up sacrificing their lives to save others from an undesirable fate is a Jesus figure, then you'll have to spend the rest of your life reading and counting them up to get an accurate count of fictional characters who could be considered Jesus figures. I think there may be something to saying that people like stories about self sacrifice because they echo the gospel and speak to the same needs and longings that it speaks to, but that doesn't make every story good.

Neither does including magic wielding characters in a work of fantasy automatically make it an evil demonic story. Tolkien included wizards and weird sorts of ancient demons (like the balrog) in his fantasy and we consider him a Christian writer. C. S. Lewis included witches and demons and gods and demigods from pagan greek mythology in the Chronicles of Narnia but plenty of Christians love those.

Honestly the most interesting question this thread has raised for me so far is which Brit has made more money off of their books. JK Rowling or the late Terry Pratchett? But that's probably because I enjoyed discworld so much and read an article at one time that estimated 1% of all book sales in the UK to be for Terry Pratchett books.
 
preacher4truth

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I wouldn't be so hard on the OP and his take on Harry Potter. C S Lewis' works were designed to speak of Christ allegorically. Moby Dick is another example with biblical innuendos. Iron Giant could be construed in the same way. Saying he is trolling is a bit off track imo.
 
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Demi777 said:
Uhm...are u seriously pulling parallels between a wizard from a fiction series and Jesus? Seriously?
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Agree, some research into the background of the author and the underlying esoteric anti biblical themes would be in order.
 
Lynx

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Oh daddydanny knows this. That's the whole point of this thread, stirring up contention.

Hmm, what does the Bible say about those who cause contention?
 
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