Nothing like misreading everything is there.... Caring for the congregation is all in what I said, but you don't want it to be because it doesn't serve your purpose.
Tithing. What are Christians suppose to do?
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Nothing like misreading everything is there.... Caring for the congregation is all in what I said, but you don't want it to be because it doesn't serve your purpose.
You want to live by the Law, that's you. Read all my comments b4 speaking.
Clearly stated that under Grace, tithing is an act of love for God. Today, tithes and offerings go into the General Fund of the Church to cover all Ministries, costs of the church.
You people want 2 emphasise Law to discredit the act of love of tithing. It's the only way u can do it.
Love your money and hold it tight
Please, let's not take this discussion personal, you don't know what you have just said. If you want to agree to disagree, I would prefer that.
Both of you have made this personal from the beginning.....
Big difference between saved and sanctified. Paul addressed this.
Saved believers see through physical eyes. See tithing as 1st Covenant Law.
Sanctified believers see through spiritual eyes. See tithing as New Covenant Grace.
Both are saved and children of God, but one has indwelling presence of Holy Spirit. Many believers have never experienced that. It is painfully obvious all across BDF.
Not just concerning tithing. It isn't an insult, it's a call to seek to receive the Holy Spirit. Paul addressed this more than once.
We can agree to disagree, but it is important to rebut those who accuse people who to the of serving the Law.
Big difference between saved and sanctified. Paul addressed this.
Saved believers see through physical eyes. See tithing as 1st Covenant Law.
Sanctified believers see through spiritual eyes. See tithing as New Covenant Grace.
Both are saved and children of God, but one has indwelling presence of Holy Spirit. Many believers have never experienced that. It is painfully obvious all across BDF.
Not just concerning tithing. It isn't an insult, it's a call to seek to receive the Holy Spirit. Paul addressed this more than once.
We can agree to disagree, but it is important to rebut those who accuse people who to the of serving the Law.
The word is "holistic" and it has nothing to do with tithing. Tithing is purely an old covenant requirement; nothing more. Conflating "tithing" with "giving" only causes confusion and results in Christians trying to be acceptable to God by following bits of the Law, or to earn His blessing by giving as their pastors (mis)teach them.
If you're claiming that they didn't use money in those days, you're incorrect. There are many references in the Torah to money, such as the following:
Deuteronomy 14:24-26 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.
To supply food for the Levites and priests whose job was to minister, judge, and teach.
It is a bit of an insult because you make an accusation on very little, if any evidence. Just because we have different views doesn't mean that I haven't experienced the indwelling presence of Holy Spirit. Don't come up with these ways to try and manipulate others into your own opinion. I really think you can do better.
There is no need to go in that direction and if you have nothing else to say regarding the discussion that is completely fine.
This is a strange argument from silence. Jacob ended up being richer than both Abraham and Issac. Just because Genesis did not record him regularly tithing, its plain silly to say Jacob did not do it.
Imagine if the Bible included Jacob, or Issac or Abraham tithing, it will sound like this
Genesis 18:33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home, and Abraham tithe to the Lord
Genesis 26:12 Isaac planted crops in that land and the same year reaped a hundredfold, because the Lord blessed him, and Issac tithe to the Lord.
Can you see how silly it is for the Bible to record down every time these people tithe, in order to convince us Christians 2000 years later that tithing was before the Law?
This is a strange argument from silence. Just because Genesis did not record him regularly tithing, its plain silly to say Abraham did not do it.
Imagine if the Bible included Jacob, or Issac or Abraham tithing, it will sound like this
Genesis 18:33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home, and Abraham tithe to the Lord
Genesis 26:12 Isaac planted crops in that land and the same year reaped a hundredfold, because the Lord blessed him, and Issac tithe to the Lord.
Can you see how silly it is for the Bible to record down every time these people tithe, in order to convince us Christians 2000 years later that tithing was before the Law?
I have much more to say, however on my phone I can not provide Scriptures to support my belief.
From the start, I and one other here have been speaking of tithing through spiritual eyes. Others, including you only see tithing through physical eyes.
That is clear in reading the comments.
Physical vision is what Paul called carnal christians, spiritual vision is what Paul called spiritual christians.
There are other things where this is evident as well. Soon I will have my computer up and running and I will address this at great length.
Preview:
water baptism
women in ministry
free will
osas
predestination
10 Commandments
And more
From the start, I and one other here have been speaking of tithing through spiritual eyes. Others, including you only see tithing through physical eyes.
That is clear in reading the comments.
Physical vision is what Paul called carnal christians, spiritual vision is what Paul called spiritual christians.
There are other things where this is evident as well. Soon I will have my computer up and running and I will address this at great length.
Preview:
water baptism
women in ministry
free will
osas
predestination
10 Commandments
And more
This woman visited a church on occasion because her sister and brother-in-law attended there. She didn't like the place because all the pastor talked about was tithing. And he refused to let anyone in the church see the books, like for about 3 years. And when her sister and brother-in-law left that church to pastor his own church, the pastor of the church wouldn't release his membership because he was behind on his tithing.
Well the woman called the head office of that denomination and told them about the pastor not letting the books be seen by anyone and what he was doing to her brother-in-law because he owed tithe. Well, within days the head office checked it out and found out that pastor had a secret checking account. He was ordered to get out of the parsonage immediately and apparently could no longer be the pastor there. I now kid her about a certain homeless pastor.
I think letting others support the church you attend with them is a pretty sad thing to do.
Well, it seems most Reformed and Evangelical churches teach tithing, and as far as I can tell they do it simply because of Malachi 3:8-12. The interesting part being, they seem oblivious to the fact that the Bible says you eat your own tithe for two years and you only give all of your tithe away in the third year to be stored up to feed those in the ministry, orphans, and widows.
All guests of a church should not be expected to support that church. The pastor should tell them that when the offering plate gets passed around.
Amen....the bible is clear enough....LABOUR that you may have to GIVE to him that needs it....