Tithing. What are Christians suppose to do?
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When we usually ask that question in our hearts we are thinking what is the least amount we are supposed to give and get away with it haha.
But no under the New Testament there is no 10% + additional offering rule, but being under grace we should naturally give above and beyond.
I would give what you are comfortable with and pray to god to help you increase your tithing and your giving.
But like I mentioned before I know it’s scary to give 10-20% away but god provides a way somehow when you do it in faith.
I started tithing here and there, then systematically to where maybe for the year I gave away $600 total? That was my 10% lol.
Now I am able to give away someone’s full annual salary, each time I was afraid and hesitant.
I’m literally thinking wow I just gave away what I once made at my regular full time job even more lol.
I hope this helps.
But no under the New Testament there is no 10% + additional offering rule, but being under grace we should naturally give above and beyond.
I would give what you are comfortable with and pray to god to help you increase your tithing and your giving.
But like I mentioned before I know it’s scary to give 10-20% away but god provides a way somehow when you do it in faith.
I started tithing here and there, then systematically to where maybe for the year I gave away $600 total? That was my 10% lol.
Now I am able to give away someone’s full annual salary, each time I was afraid and hesitant.
I’m literally thinking wow I just gave away what I once made at my regular full time job even more lol.
I hope this helps.
"Difficult for people to accept"? No, not at all. However, just as circumcision was required prior to the Law but is not required of Christians, so too tithing, which was not required prior to the Law is also not required of Christians.
Arguments from silence cannot be used as categorical proof of either position. What is true is that there is no evidence of Jacob actually paying tithes to anyone, no record of Abraham tithing aside from in Genesis 14 and that on war spoils only, and not even a hint of Isaac paying tithes at any time. In other words, you can't support a doctrine on a basis of thin air. There is no need for Scripture to record every instance, but it doesn't even have one.
Arguments from silence cannot be used as categorical proof of either position. What is true is that there is no evidence of Jacob actually paying tithes to anyone, no record of Abraham tithing aside from in Genesis 14 and that on war spoils only, and not even a hint of Isaac paying tithes at any time. In other words, you can't support a doctrine on a basis of thin air. There is no need for Scripture to record every instance, but it doesn't even have one.
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Do you accept the "dare" given to old covenant priests, but not to the Christian Church? Please learn how to interpret your Bible correctly.
There is not a single verse of Scripture to support your assertions. Nothing at all is said to Christians about tithing as an ongoing practice.
There is not a single verse of Scripture to support your assertions. Nothing at all is said to Christians about tithing as an ongoing practice.
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Tithing is one of the manefestation of love your neighbors like yourself for old testament
Sacrifice animal is the manefestation of love God
Matt 22
37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ... [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Now we do not need animal sacrifice, It doesn't mean we do not need to love God anymore, but we do love God in more sophisticated way, by work for Him, in the same manner we not do tithing anymore but It doesn't mean we not call to love our neighbors anymore
The Holy Spirit in us Will tell us to help the needy and He Will tell us how much our neighbors need. They need love, It may in the Form of food, or money, or shelter, or consolition etc.
They need Jesus. If we able to bring them to Jesus, It Will be more than tithing. Or physical help.
Say he is hungry, we feed him, than in 5 hours he Will be hungry.
Jesus say to the woman oN the well If you drink from the water I give to you, you never thirsty anymore.
That is the main rewadon of tithing, to make church operate so It Will bring people to Jesus.
If we able bring people to Jesus, without tithing, we Cut the process
Sacrifice animal is the manefestation of love God
Matt 22
37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ... [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Now we do not need animal sacrifice, It doesn't mean we do not need to love God anymore, but we do love God in more sophisticated way, by work for Him, in the same manner we not do tithing anymore but It doesn't mean we not call to love our neighbors anymore
The Holy Spirit in us Will tell us to help the needy and He Will tell us how much our neighbors need. They need love, It may in the Form of food, or money, or shelter, or consolition etc.
They need Jesus. If we able to bring them to Jesus, It Will be more than tithing. Or physical help.
Say he is hungry, we feed him, than in 5 hours he Will be hungry.
Jesus say to the woman oN the well If you drink from the water I give to you, you never thirsty anymore.
That is the main rewadon of tithing, to make church operate so It Will bring people to Jesus.
If we able bring people to Jesus, without tithing, we Cut the process
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Actually this is an un-going practice, being a christian is an un-going practice or do you practice Christianity once a year?
"The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. "
So being a cheerful giver if you are a true Christian is an ongoing practice. No god does not command you to tithe as a law in the old testament he commands you to do even more and beyond out of grace.
And nobody argued the point that it's a commandment to tithe like the old testament, but if you have issues with the old testament tithe practice you sure will have one with the new testament cheerful giving statements which makes you go above and beyond.
but please continue to find any excuse to hoard gods resources for yourself.
"The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. "
So being a cheerful giver if you are a true Christian is an ongoing practice. No god does not command you to tithe as a law in the old testament he commands you to do even more and beyond out of grace.
And nobody argued the point that it's a commandment to tithe like the old testament, but if you have issues with the old testament tithe practice you sure will have one with the new testament cheerful giving statements which makes you go above and beyond.
but please continue to find any excuse to hoard gods resources for yourself.
I guess to really answer your question @Aerials1978 is why are you asking lol? Just broadly speaking or what are you feeling about it, do you give now? Do you want to give? Ect.?
So yeah there is no rule just give as you please, but be careful of your hearts condition on being "stingy", parting away with money is probably one of the most painful things to do and justify, we as humans just don't want to do it period, even the most devout Christians.
Under new testament cheerful giving most likely you're supposed to match that if not even go above and beyond, unless you can somehow feel cheerful giving small sums, which of course people can, but don't use it as an excuse ohh see I was cheerful in giving a penny, I did my duty.
The point of the scripture is giving out of love abundantly. (Which is extremely extremely hard hard). It was actually easier to give when I was super poor, then it is now that I make more money. Because while I make a decent low-mid 6 figure amount, that is nothing in the grand scheme of things, so giving away $20-$30K/yr still makes you question things, especially doing it a few years that money adds up to a lot in your savings account.
Because depending on which part of the world, or area of the country you live in, low 6 figures is not much on as a single income family. It's not making say 1M/yr and you can give away 100-200K, and still have hundreds of thousands left over.
I've sacrificed savings, put off buying a home, just finally for the first time ever bought a brand new cheapest car I could find, but I understand there are people starving in the world, or whom have never heard the gospel.
So no you aren't obliged to give anything, god will still provide your basic needs, just probably don't expect any additional overly large blessings in return, due to reaping and sowing, of course there are exceptions to the rule, where people are blessed and are stingy and don't give.
We are stewards of his resources nothing is ours, so if you're happy where you are perfectly fine, just don't expect god to give you a bigger allocation to manage on his behalf.
I acknowledge the only reason I make the income I make has been in direct proportion to what I give, the more I give the more god trusts me with on his behalf, of course again plenty of exceptions of him blessings non-Christians, ect.
The amount of money i make for the amount of actual work required, is not proportional and def. not do to my superior skills, it's literally god going here take this money good and faithful servant and manage it faithfully for my kingdom. It literally just flows from him in easy unexpected ways.
But none of this is really important, just pray about it, and if you want to give more ask god to help you with your feelings and circumstances to give more.
Don't take this the wrong way and I don't mean harm when saying this, but you remind me of my mother in law, she gives when she feels compelled, basically a nice way of saying I try to give the least amount possible to still be able to claim browny points, yet she still struggles in basically poverty paycheck to paycheck, having to work 12hrs a day well in her 60's. Hopefully she'll have social security and her home, but that's it, like I said god will provide just the basic necessities, because why trust her with more, if she will just hoard it or spend it on herself.
But Again pray for gods will and his faith to help you give more, if you so desire, you'll be surprised of the outcome, it will be truly unbelievable, where you'll know it's him directly.
Sorry if some parts came a bit harsh, didn't mean too.
Under new testament cheerful giving most likely you're supposed to match that if not even go above and beyond, unless you can somehow feel cheerful giving small sums, which of course people can, but don't use it as an excuse ohh see I was cheerful in giving a penny, I did my duty.
The point of the scripture is giving out of love abundantly. (Which is extremely extremely hard hard). It was actually easier to give when I was super poor, then it is now that I make more money. Because while I make a decent low-mid 6 figure amount, that is nothing in the grand scheme of things, so giving away $20-$30K/yr still makes you question things, especially doing it a few years that money adds up to a lot in your savings account.
Because depending on which part of the world, or area of the country you live in, low 6 figures is not much on as a single income family. It's not making say 1M/yr and you can give away 100-200K, and still have hundreds of thousands left over.
I've sacrificed savings, put off buying a home, just finally for the first time ever bought a brand new cheapest car I could find, but I understand there are people starving in the world, or whom have never heard the gospel.
So no you aren't obliged to give anything, god will still provide your basic needs, just probably don't expect any additional overly large blessings in return, due to reaping and sowing, of course there are exceptions to the rule, where people are blessed and are stingy and don't give.
We are stewards of his resources nothing is ours, so if you're happy where you are perfectly fine, just don't expect god to give you a bigger allocation to manage on his behalf.
I acknowledge the only reason I make the income I make has been in direct proportion to what I give, the more I give the more god trusts me with on his behalf, of course again plenty of exceptions of him blessings non-Christians, ect.
The amount of money i make for the amount of actual work required, is not proportional and def. not do to my superior skills, it's literally god going here take this money good and faithful servant and manage it faithfully for my kingdom. It literally just flows from him in easy unexpected ways.
But none of this is really important, just pray about it, and if you want to give more ask god to help you with your feelings and circumstances to give more.
Don't take this the wrong way and I don't mean harm when saying this, but you remind me of my mother in law, she gives when she feels compelled, basically a nice way of saying I try to give the least amount possible to still be able to claim browny points, yet she still struggles in basically poverty paycheck to paycheck, having to work 12hrs a day well in her 60's. Hopefully she'll have social security and her home, but that's it, like I said god will provide just the basic necessities, because why trust her with more, if she will just hoard it or spend it on herself.
But Again pray for gods will and his faith to help you give more, if you so desire, you'll be surprised of the outcome, it will be truly unbelievable, where you'll know it's him directly.
Sorry if some parts came a bit harsh, didn't mean too.
I believe that the only giving that pleases God is the kind that comes from a sense of "want to", as opposed to a feeling of "have to". Giving should be done out of a spirit of love for the brethren, or not at all. God certainly doesn't need our paltry gifts.
Psalm 50
50:10 For every beast of the forest [is] mine, [and] the cattle upon a thousand hills.
50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field [are] mine.
50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world [is] mine, and the fulness thereof.
Psalm 50
50:10 For every beast of the forest [is] mine, [and] the cattle upon a thousand hills.
50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field [are] mine.
50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world [is] mine, and the fulness thereof.
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Being a Christian is indeed an ongoing practice. Giving is likewise an ongoing practice. Tithing is a requirement of the OT Law and has nothing to do with being a Christian.
You, like Jackson123, make the same mistake many make, but you express it in an ugly way. Here is your version, in simple equations:
giving (as a Christian) = tithing
not tithing = not giving anything
Both are patently false. A Christian may give generously without any thought of "tithing". There is no percentage given in the New Testament as to what Christians are to give, so there is no "above and beyond" about it. You're making an argument from silence.
Your closing comment is nothing but self-righteous slander. You know nothing at all about how much I give, but you assume that because I argue against "tithing" that I give nothing. You are dead wrong. In future, kindly keep your ignorant personal attacks to yourself.
You, like Jackson123, make the same mistake many make, but you express it in an ugly way. Here is your version, in simple equations:
giving (as a Christian) = tithing
not tithing = not giving anything
Both are patently false. A Christian may give generously without any thought of "tithing". There is no percentage given in the New Testament as to what Christians are to give, so there is no "above and beyond" about it. You're making an argument from silence.
Your closing comment is nothing but self-righteous slander. You know nothing at all about how much I give, but you assume that because I argue against "tithing" that I give nothing. You are dead wrong. In future, kindly keep your ignorant personal attacks to yourself.
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Matthew 23:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Tithing is very important to Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ, as he instructed the Scribes and Pharisees that they must Tithe.
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Ya wanna put money in the offering plate? Cool!
Ya wanna put money in the offering plate religiously? Cool!
Ya don't wanna put money in the offering plate? Cool!
Ya don't wanna put any money in the offering plate religiously?
Ya probably are camping out at the Salvation Army!
Don't allow ANYONE to push, cajole, or bully you!
If this is what you experience at YOUR church?
RUN!....Don't walk! AWAY!
Ya wanna put money in the offering plate religiously? Cool!
Ya don't wanna put money in the offering plate? Cool!
Ya don't wanna put any money in the offering plate religiously?
Ya probably are camping out at the Salvation Army!
Don't allow ANYONE to push, cajole, or bully you!
If this is what you experience at YOUR church?
RUN!....Don't walk! AWAY!
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