Can you know the date and time of Christ Return?

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UnoiAmarah

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"For our citizenship exists in the heavens, from whence also we eagerly await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ," - Philippians 3:20 :)
Oh, so it wasn't the Lord Jesus Christ who came to Paul on the road to Damascus?

[besides, Paul said "...I have BETROTHED you to One Husband..." so it would be kinda odd not to "eagerly await" Him ;)
If would be if already married...

1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2 Cor 11:1-2
 
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The Church age is going to end and the Kingdom age is going to begin. We are already in that transition now. There will be a 1,000 year reign of Christ here on the Earth. Even if we do not understand all of the details of how that is going to happen.
The church eternal bride of Christ age began in Genesis with Able the first Martyr and ends with the last chapter Revelation.

The transitions is on the last day ,The same day death as to the letter of the law will be tossed into the lake of judgment fire never to rise and condemn a whole creation for ever more.

Six times in the book of John God uses "last day" to emphasize the timing. No literal thousand years. Like a thief in the night the "last day "

Both the receiving of our new bodies and the death of death in the twinkling of the eye. last day

John 6:39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
 
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No literal thousand years.
God told Adam: "you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.” (Genesis 2:17) We are told in Genesis 5:5 "Adam lived to be 930 years. The sages tell us that Adam gave 70 years of his life to David. 2Peter3:8 says: "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." According to the Rules of Jewish Hermeneutics one and one thousand is the same. Represented by the first letter in the alphabet Aleph and this letter also represents God. In both Greek & Hebrew letters have a numeric value. Millennialism (from millennium, Latin for "a thousand years"), or chiliasm (from the Greek equivalent), is a belief advanced by some religious denominations that a Golden Age or Paradise will occur on Earth prior to the final judgment and future eternal state of the "World to Come". Moses tells us in Psalm 90:4 "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night."
 
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David tells us: "Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere" Psalm 84:10.

The last day is 1,000 years. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
 
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According to the Rules of Jewish Hermeneutics one and one thousand is the same.

According to the Rules of Biblical Hermeneutics a thousand represents unknow as to whatever is in view .

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The word as denotes a parable is in veiw. According to the Rules of Biblical Hermeneutics without parbles Christ spoke not.

God dwells outside the boundaries of time.

Psalm 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

God dwells outside the boundaries of time.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

God dwells outside the boundaries of time.

All six times the metaphor thousand is used with years, as if a thousand years. Not like .

Again as a introduction Revelation, Chapter 1 verse 1 God sets up the kind of interpretation that he not only inspired but calls signified .Using the temporal thing seen to give us the unseen understanding of faith. The gospel

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Below thousand is used to represent the gospel seed spread by the church as the mother of us all

Genesis 24:60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.

Thousand a unknown

Deuteronomy 1:11 (The Lord God of your fathers make you a thousand times so many more as ye are, and bless you, as he hath promised you!)

Thousand a unknown blessings

Deuteronomy 7:9Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Thousand as all a unknown as the one generation of Christ

Deuteronomy 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?

Thousand as all a unknown

Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

Many more examples of the use of signified language of parables.
 
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David tells us: "Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere" Psalm 84:10.

The last day is 1,000 years. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

The last day represents the end of time .The letter of the law as death is cast into the judgment fire. never to rise to condemn another creation. and in the same twinkling of the eye (short trumpet blast) we receive our new incorruptible body as the bride of Christ.

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The same last day called the Lord's day

Revelation 1: 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

The same last day called the day of Jesus Christ.

Philipians 1:16 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 
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The letter of the law as death is cast into the judgment fire.
Jesus is the word of God and that makes Him the letter of the law. He tells us: " But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone." (Matthew 23:23) "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." (Matthew 24:35) Jesus and Paul taught that the Letter of the Law does not save us. Neither one taught that we were NOT to follow the Law. Even today if we take our priesthood serious we will follow the law that pertains to that. We should marry a virgin in her youth and not a prostitute or divorced women. That sort of things. This is if we want to serve God and receive a reward. Otherwise people are saved but they will suffer loss. "14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as if through the flames. 16Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?" (1Cor3)

This is an issue when we go to help people. Sometimes we can do them more harm even though we are trying to help.
 
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Just because many are wrong about the times and hours, etc.. doesn't mean that it can't be known. Remember it says it would as it was in Noah's day. And Noah knew the time when the floods would come BEFORE they came.
No one knows the day or hour
“No one knows the day” is a Jewish idiom for the Feast of Trumpets that would officially begin when two witnesses observed the first sign of the new moon when trumpets would be blown declaring to Israel that the feast officially had begun. Now although Israel didn't know the exact day or hour when the feast would begin at first sighting of the new moon, they knew within a 2 day period when the feast was near from observing the 30 day cycle of the moon.

The Feast of Trumpets is prophetic for the 7 years of tribulation that “no one knows the day or hour” when it will begin. However just as Israel knew when the Feast of Trumpets was near from observing the 30 day cycle of the moon, we should also know when the tribulation will be near, possibly even the year when it will begin, if we are carefully watching the end time signs and studying the prophetic scriptures.

Therefore the phrase "no one knows the day or hour" does not mean we have no idea when the tribulation will begin. Instead it means we should know when the tribulation will be near just as Israel knew when the Feast of Trumpets was near.

Its important to know what Jesus words meant to his Jewish audience and how they understood the phrase "no one knows the day or hour," if we are to understand how this phrase prophetically applies to us today.
 
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1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

If...
into my life...it will be happend...that...antichrist...will sit in the Temple of GOD in Jerusalem...
then...i will be sure...that the day of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST comming...is near to come,in some years...
but..still....i will not know...in wich date LORD will come...
is Obvious that before antichrist sit into the Temple in Jerusalem...first it has to be built the Temple of GOD in Jerusalem...

before The Temple in Jerusalem...and before antichrist sit himself into The Temple...
nobody can say to the christians...that..the Day of LORD JESUS CHRIST Comming...is near...
Who will say that...he will be...or a false prophet...or a mistaken believer...

false prophet...or a mistaken believer...is also...
who says that...the believers will be caught up...before antichriist sit himself into The Temple...



1 THESSALONIANS
CHAPTER 5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

The believers must be always...ready...to be not ashamed in front of LORD JESUS CHRIST...
that means..
stop to do sins...
do THE WORD and THE WORK OF LORD JESUS CHRIST...
preach THE GOSPEL... everywhere...not only in the church...but outside also...to my relatives...to my coworkers...to my exfriends (friends when I was not a believer)...everywhere...and to everybody is possible...
to do WORKS OF LOVE...

If I believe in JESUS CHRIST...only and firstly...for the life of today...and I have a good job with a good salary...and I feel myself secured...and I don't obey to THE WORD OF THE LORD...and I do sins...then I do a big mistake....i am, In dangerous to lose THE SALVATION....


I must understand...that...
If for example...
The Day of LORD JESUS CHRIST...will come...after 1000 years...

if I will die tomorrow...the time stops for me...because...when I will leave my body...i will sleep...and during my sleep...i will not understand the time...

so..it's not a mistake...to consider...the day of my death (according to the flesh)...as The Day of LORD JESUS CHRIST comming...
 
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Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Let me tell you what that verse says and what it doesn't say.

It doesn't say you CAN'T know.
It was said to specific people (the disciples)
It was said at a specific time (during the Olivet prophecy).
It shows that the Father is the one with the knowledge of the Day and Hour.

I want to dispel this satanic usage of this verse in which it is used to say we CAN'T know.

Now it says the Father is the one that knows. Who does the Father give His knowledge to and how? (think about that very hard for a moment).

God has set the course of redemption through the process of Faith (TRUST).

Who does God Trust?

Consider this verse:

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Now consider the verse above where bolded. If the Lord says He is coming as a thief in the night upon those that will not know the hour in which He comes if they Don't watch. Therefore, reasoning would be that if your watching then you know when God is coming.

Isn't God going to give those of His the knowledge of the Hour? Consider further:

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Read that verse again until you get it - it say if the goodman knows the watch then he would watch.

But let's look at the real proof verses here:

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So here the disciples are in Jerusalem and awaiting Pentecost and the receipt of the Holy Spirit. They can't know the day or hour because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Only the Father can reveal the time and hour by means of His Spirit. Notice the context of the question they asked and the Answer to that question. They are effectively told that they would know the Time and Seasons in God's Power AFTER they receive the Holy Spirit.

Just because many are wrong about the times and hours, etc.. doesn't mean that it can't be known. Remember it says it would as it was in Noah's day. And Noah knew the time when the floods would come BEFORE they came.

Hope this helps.
No one knows for sure of course, but here is a simple explanation to why some Christians believe the rapture is imminent.

2000 years from Adam to Abraham, God was ministering to all. Mankind rejected God by building a tower to Babel instead,
2000 years from Abraham to Jesus God focused only on the Jews. Vast majority rejected God by crucifying his Son and stoning Stephen his messenger
2000 years of grace, where God is now again ministering to all. Statistics still show that Christians are a minority.

If you consider a thousand years to the Lord as one day, We are at 2020 now, which is now the 7th day. Based on creation, you should expect the rapture to be imminent.
 

Blik

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Personally, I don't believe any of the "harvests" [in and of themselves] transpire over the course of "10 years" time. Don't think that's what the word "harvest" represents, but believe as you wish. :)



[now, if you're talkin' the "7 good years, before the 7 bad years," then I can agree with you there!]
If you don't see and understand the symbolism in much of scripture you are missing the many messages given to us. God speaks of agriculture harvest and it is a symbol of the harvest of the souls of man.

The feast of the trumpets, (Rosh Hashanah) is a prophesy of the second coming of Christ. Because what the first four feasts prophesied happen on the day of the feast, it is probable that Christ will return on the Day of the Trumpets.
 

cv5

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I pretty much agree that Matthew 24:36 (and related verses ["but of that day and hour knoweth [PERFECT indicative] no man [not even Jesus, at the time He spoke this]") is not saying no one can ever know (or no one will ever know);

I believe the "context" speaks of His Second Coming to the earth; and

I believe that after His resurrection/ascension that Jesus now "knows" and has disclosed further information on that Subject in the Book of Revelation...

so that those who will be existing in the [future] tribulation period (who will heed His Word and/or listen to those bringing it, at that time) would be ABLE to "know" (especially as that information disclosed therein is "understood" in connection with the rest of Scripture, if that makes sense).

So, I am saying that that particular context (of Matt24:36, and parallel) isn't speaking of "our Rapture"; but...

does this then mean that I do not believe it's possible for the Spirit-taught believer [today, "in this present age [singular]"] to "know" THAT [Subject--our Rapture-timing], by contrast? No.
I don't believe Scripture says we can't or are forbidden from knowing... I believe it is possible to know, but only as derived by Scripture (meaning, if it were to be known, it would be found THERE); I'm not sure that even having a reasonable guess based solely on Scripture, would be of any benefit to others, in the event one should decide to disclose what they see Scripture revealing, in that regard. I do believe Scripture informs us of much more than we typically realize, on the whole.

Just my two cents on the subject. :)
Commentary for the post tribbers out there:

Undoubtedly the primary audience for the book of Revelation ***chapter 6 and onward*** are for those who will become believers during the 70th week of Daniel. Nevertheless these chapters are of immense incalculable value for Christians today. In fact this book is a verification of the future fulfillment of the law and prophets in the most complete and comprehensive manner anyone could ever ask for.
 
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2 THESSALONIANS
CHAPTER 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

If...
into my life...it will be happend...that...antichrist...will sit in the Temple of GOD in Jerusalem...
then...i will be sure...that the day of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST comming...is near to come,in some years...
but..still....i will not know...in wich date LORD will come...
is Obvious that before antichrist sit into the Temple in Jerusalem...first it has to be built the Temple of GOD in Jerusalem...

before The Temple in Jerusalem...and before antichrist sit himself into The Temple...
nobody can say to the christians...that..the Day of LORD JESUS CHRIST Comming...is near...
Who will say that...he will be...or a false prophet...or a mistaken believer...

false prophet...or a mistaken believer...is also...
who says that...the believers will be caught up...before antichriist sit himself into The Temple...



1 THESSALONIANS
CHAPTER 5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

The believers must be always...ready...to be not ashamed in front of LORD JESUS CHRIST...
that means..
stop to do sins...
do THE WORD and THE WORK OF LORD JESUS CHRIST...
preach THE GOSPEL... everywhere...not only in the church...but outside also...to my relatives...to my coworkers...to my exfriends (friends when I was not a believer)...everywhere...and to everybody is possible...
to do WORKS OF LOVE...

If I believe in JESUS CHRIST...only and firstly...for the life of today...and I have a good job with a good salary...and I feel myself secured...and I don't obey to THE WORD OF THE LORD...and I do sins...then I do a big mistake....i am, In dangerous to lose THE SALVATION....


I must understand...that...
If for example...
The Day of LORD JESUS CHRIST...will come...after 1000 years...

if I will die tomorrow...the time stops for me...because...when I will leave my body...i will sleep...and during my sleep...i will not understand the time...

so..it's not a mistake...to consider...the day of my death (according to the flesh)...as The Day of LORD JESUS CHRIST comming...
You say you are " not at all looking for his coming".
You say you are looking for the ac and the temple being built.

Ironic you call us EXPECTING Jesus to come as. " mistaken, deceived"
SMH
 

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No one knows the day or hour
“No one knows the day” is a Jewish idiom for the Feast of Trumpets that would officially begin when two witnesses observed the first sign of the new moon when trumpets would be blown declaring to Israel that the feast officially had begun. Now although Israel didn't know the exact day or hour when the feast would begin at first sighting of the new moon, they knew within a 2 day period when the feast was near from observing the 30 day cycle of the moon.

The Feast of Trumpets is prophetic for the 7 years of tribulation that “no one knows the day or hour” when it will begin. However just as Israel knew when the Feast of Trumpets was near from observing the 30 day cycle of the moon, we should also know when the tribulation will be near, possibly even the year when it will begin, if we are carefully watching the end time signs and studying the prophetic scriptures.

Therefore the phrase "no one knows the day or hour" does not mean we have no idea when the tribulation will begin. Instead it means we should know when the tribulation will be near just as Israel knew when the Feast of Trumpets was near.

Its important to know what Jesus words meant to his Jewish audience and how they understood the phrase "no one knows the day or hour," if we are to understand how this phrase prophetically applies to us today.
I definitely think you're on to something there my friend......:D
Not to mention the fact that the beginning of the feast of trumpets is the "head of the year" aka Jewish new year.
 
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Commentary for the post tribbers out there:

Undoubtedly the primary audience for the book of Revelation ***chapter 6 and onward*** are for those who will become believers during the 70th week of Daniel. Nevertheless these chapters are of immense incalculable value for Christians today. In fact this book is a verification of the future fulfillment of the law and prophets in the most complete and comprehensive manner anyone could ever ask for.
THE DREAD of those left behind will be extreme.
 
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Commentary for the post tribbers out there:

Undoubtedly the primary audience for the book of Revelation ***chapter 6 and onward*** are for those who will become believers during the 70th week of Daniel. Nevertheless these chapters are of immense incalculable value for Christians today. In fact this book is a verification of the future fulfillment of the law and prophets in the most complete and comprehensive manner anyone could ever ask for.
Did you click on the link of post 129 ?
 

throughfaith

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I see that 'immimnecy 'simply means 'what's next '. What's next ,is the rapture .